Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vinay Maloo (2nd nomination)

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Despite appearances, there is nothing to show notability here. All the references bar one [http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3805672.cms] are either passing mentions, or don't mention the subject, or are not independent. In a WP:BEFORE search, I can find no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject as required by WP:BIO or WP:N. It's a mix of obvious paid puff pieces, press releases, churnalism, passing mentions, and doesn't-even-mention-hims. :Enso Group and :HFCL might be notable, but notability is WP:NOTINHERITED on Wikipedia. Conflict of interest is evident by the promotional tone and heavy use of press releases and paid content. It's basically a WP:CFORK of Enso Group, and there's very little useful, verifiable information here for a merge to that article.

See also WP:Articles for deletion/Vaibhav Vinay Maloo, which was deleted on the same grounds, even after an almighty refbombing by a strike team of sockpuppets. Storchy (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople and India. Storchy (talk) 10:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Sock puppetry and refbombs are bad signs. They only tend to happen when something isn't notable, otherwise the wiki article would have sources that are acceptable. I agree with the one source as above, but we don't have anything else that can be used for GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 14:36, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, agree there's a lack of notability here. Sources in article seem to be puff pieces.Moresdi (talk) 16:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC)
• ’’’Keep’’’ You guys don’t have anything else to do but delete pages on Wikipedia. I wish I could explain the irony of the moment. Do whatever you want. I find this a bit intriguing so feel like reporting your handles but can’t be bothered to learn Wikipedia so in depth. Moderators note, there are rivalries and pages under attack should make this page protected from now onwards. I don;t agree with edits and I am a part time editor, not someone who sits on this site and makes it his job. Is this to do with Russia? (talk)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 13:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

::* Reviewing admins, please note that {{contribs|Nuttyprofessor2016|Nuttyprofessor2016's edits to date}} have been almost exclusively on Draft:Vaibhav Maloo, requests for unprotection of salted Vaibhav Maloo, Vaibhav Vinay Maloo, WP:Articles for deletion/Vaibhav Vinay Maloo Vinay Maloo, Enso Group, and other directly connected articles. Storchy (talk) 06:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Keep : This wikipedia article seems live before 2014 and for over 8 years no one seems having issue with this article. Vinay Maloo, out of my research is a notable Indian Billionare. He was ranked 32nd in the Innovators top India's billionaire chart by Business Standard in 1991. He was instrumental for Amitabh Bachchan's business recovery by being his business partner in AB Corp - which was widely covered by various medias {{cite news|url=https://www.screendaily.com/bollywood-megastar-arises-from-bankruptcy/4015374.article|title=Bollywood megastar arises from bankruptcy|work=Screen International}} . I have found couple of featured and secondary news references which are independent and it definetly seems pass notability. Article 1 - from The Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/company/corporate-trends/maloos-back-with-oil-core-focus/articleshow/3805672.cms, Article 2 - from Times of India - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/hfcls-maloo-may-invest-in-zicom/articleshow/1986419.cms, Article 3 - from Russian Newspaper Russia Beyond launched by Rossiyskaya Gazeta - https://www.rbth.com/economics/2015/06/08/indias_enso_group_to_take_up_projects_in_russias_far_east_43561 (This article clearly states the importance of the Indian Billionare Vinay Maloo as it says "Alexander Galushka, Minister for Russian Far East Development and Alexey Chekunkov, CEO of the Far East Development Fund, met with Vinay Maloo, Chairman of the Enso Group, one of India's largest industrial conglomerates, to discuss possibilities for the Indian group to invest in projects in the Far East" . These 3 articles are well enough to prove his notability. Jehowahyereh (talk) 03:47, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

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::*Please see WP:LONGTIME: how long an article has been around has nothing to do with notability. Regarding the sources cited and notability, I'll add a source analysis below. Storchy (talk) 06:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

• Comment - Here is a source analysis.
• {{cite news|url=https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/hfcls-maloo-may-invest-in-zicom/articleshow/1986419.cms|title=HFCL's Maloo may invest in Zicom|work=Times of India}} short news bulletin speculating that Maloo, head of HFCL, might invest in a company. See WP:TOI for reliability of source.
• {{cite news|url=https://www.rbth.com/economics/2015/06/08/indias_enso_group_to_take_up_projects_in_russias_far_east_43561|title=India’s Enso Group to take up projects in Russia’s Far East|work=Russia Beyond}} government promo piece from Kremlin propaganda sheet :Russia Beyond, unreliable source, and interestingly the photo credit is for {{contribs|Businessworld2013|User:Businessworld2013}}, one of the sockpuppets of User:Kryptonite1234, another Maloo-only account that tried to ballot-stuff WP:Articles for deletion/Vaibhav Maloo (2nd nomination).
• {{cite web |title=Enso Group, Omada Capital partner to launch a $600M fund in South Asia |url=https://www.vccircle.com/enso-group-omada-capital-partner-launch-600m-fund-south-asia |website=www.vccircle.com |date=14 November 2013|url-access=subscription}}, paywalled, but apparently about the company rather than the man
• {{cite news|url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3805672.cms|title=Maloo's back with oil, core focus|newspaper=The Economic Times|first=Rajesh |last=Unnikrishnan|date=8 December 2008|access-date=17 December 2011}} the one solid reference for the article, as noted in the nomination
• {{Cite web|url=https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/3271346|title=Vinay Maloo, Enso Group: Profile and Biography|website=Bloomberg News}}, bare-bones profile data, any businessperson can submit these to Bloomberg
• {{Cite web|url=http://www.jainsamaj.org/content.php?url=Shri_Vinay_Maloo_Founder_Himachal_Telecom_Group|title=Shri Vinay Maloo|website=Jain Samaj}} user-generated profile on a religious group's member directory. There's that photo from our friend User:Businessworld2013 again.
• {{Cite news|url=https://www.ndtv.com/business/stock/himachal-futuristic-communications-ltd_hfcl/reports|title=Himachal Futuristic Communications Ltd.|work=NDTV Profit}}, HFCL company profile, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{cite web |last1=September 30 |first1=PRANJAL SHARMA |title=HFCL's over-confidence queers pitch for other private operators, puts telecom Ministry in spot |url=https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/economy/story/19950930-hfcl-over-confidence-queers-pitch-for-other-private-operators-puts-telecom-ministry-in-spot-808233-1995-09-30 |website=www.indiatoday.in |language=en}} article about HFCL, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{Cite news|url=http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/fe/daily/20000308/fco08001.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190105043419/http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/fe/daily/20000308/fco08001.html|archivedate=2019-01-05|title=The $238m deal -- Kerry Packer picks 10% in HFCL|last=Zarabi|first=Siddharth|date=March 8, 2000|work=Financial Express}}, article about HFCL and :Kerry Packer, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{Cite news|url=https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2000/03/08/stories/14083901.htm|title=Kerry Packer co acquires 10 pc stake in HFCL -- Two new ventures set up|last=Ghosh|first=Partha|date=March 8, 2000|work=Hindu Business Line}} permanent dead link, headline suggests article about Packer and HFCL again
• {{cite news|url=http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19990901/ibu01039.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20141018152451/http://expressindia.indianexpress.com/ie/daily/19990901/ibu01039.html|archivedate=2014-10-18|title=Innovators top India's billionaire chart|publisher= Indian Express|date=September 1, 1999}}, article about the list of Indian billionaires, Maloo only mentioned once in passing
• {{Cite news|last=Reporter|first=B. S.|date=2007-05-13|title=HFCL promoters part ways|work=Business Standard India|url=https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/hfcl-promoters-part-ways-107051301043_1.html|access-date=2020-08-11}}, brief news item about HFCL promoters Nahata and Maloo resigning from HFCL
• {{cite news|author=Seema Singh |url=http://forbesindia.com/article/boardroom/medtech-giants-philips-and-ge-fight-over-india/36099/2 |title=Medtech Giants Philips and GE Fight Over India |publisher=Forbes India Magazine |date=16 September 2013 |access-date=19 May 2014}}, article about Phillips and GE, Enso Group is briefly mentioned, but not Vinay Maloo.
• {{cite news|url=http://www.indiainfoline.com/Markets/News/GE-Technology-powers-Govt-of-Maharashtras-PPP-initiative-in-Healthcare/5685111432 |title=GE Technology powers Govt of Maharashtra's PPP initiative in Healthcare |publisher=India Infoline News |date=17 May 2013 |access-date=19 May 2014}}, press release about GE, Enso is mentioned, but not Vinay Maloo.
• {{Cite web|url=https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/vinay-maloo-enso-chairman-and-former-rcf-chairman-rg-rajan-join-the-board-of-encanto-potash-corp-665722493.html|title=Vinay Maloo Enso Chairman and Former RCF Chairman R.G. Rajan Join the Board of Encanto Potash Corp.|date=December 21, 2017|website=Newswire Canada}}, company press release that Maloo joined a board, WP:SPS, not a reliable source
• {{cite web |title=Encanto could export 3.4 million tpy |url=https://www.worldfertilizer.com/potash/14062017/encanto-could-export-34-million-tpy/ |website=www.worldfertilizer.com |language=en |date=14 June 2017}}, article about Encanto, Maloo only mentioned in passing.
• {{cite web |last1=Bhaskar |first1=Utpal |title=Sahara enters oil and gas sector with EnSearch buy |url=https://www.livemint.com/Companies/9ZoHUxPL1kS23SXL3EFTYJ/Sahara-enters-oil-and-gas-sector-with-EnSearch-buy.html |website=www.livemint.com |language=en |date=4 October 2011}}, article about Sahara Group, Maloo only mentioned in passing
• {{cite web |last1=Newswires |first1=Dow Jones |title=Sahara Group Buys EnSearch Petroleum |url=https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052970204524604576610060588481234 |website=www.wsj.com |date=4 October 2011|url-access=subscription}}, another article about Sahara and Enso, paywalled so can't tell if he's even mentioned
• {{cite news| url=http://www.ensogroup.com/company/22/bod/bod.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20161229171723/http://www.ensogroup.com/company/22/bod/bod.html|archivedate=2016-12-29 | work=Ensogroup | title=Enso Group - Board of Directors | date=17 May 2013}}, Enso company page, which says he chairs their board
• {{cite news| url=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/healthcare/biotech/healthcare/ge-ensocare-partner-with-maharashtra-government-for-diagnostic-facilities/articleshow/20104806.cms | work=The Times of India | title=GE, Ensocare partner with Maharashtra Government for diagnostic facilities | date=17 May 2013}}, another press release about GE and Enso, doesn't mention Vinay Maloo
• {{cite news| url=http://ehealth.eletsonline.com/2013/06/ensocare-and-wipro-ge-healthcare-enter-into-a-public-private-partnership-with-government-of-maharashtra-to-upgrade-district-hospitals/ | work=eHealth | title= Inian investor vinay maloo invests in healthcare business | date=17 May 2013}}, another press release about GE and Enso, doesn't mention Vinay Maloo
• {{cite news |last1=Market |first1=Capital |title=Strides' biopharma arm partners RDIF to supply COVID-19 vaccine |url=https://www.business-standard.com/article/news-cm/strides-biopharma-arm-partners-rdif-to-supply-covid-19-vaccine-121031900742_1.html |newspaper=Business Standard India |date=19 March 2021}}, article about Strides, mentions Enso, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{cite web |author=Staff Writer |title=COVID-19 vaccine: Strides Pharma to produce 200 million doses of Sputnik V |url=https://www.livemint.com/companies/news/covid19-vaccine-strides-pharma-to-produce-200-million-doses-of-russia-s-sputnik-v-11616145585924.html |website=www.livemint.com |language=en |date=19 March 2021}} churnalism about Strides, mentions Enso, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{Cite web|url=https://www.ensogroup.com/company/21/Enso-Green-Energy-.html|archiveurl=https://web.archive.org/web/20190331225543/https://www.ensogroup.com/company/21/Enso-Green-Energy-.html|archivedate=2019-03-31|title=Enso Green Energy|website=Enso Group Website}} Enso "who we are" page about their energy business, doesn't mention Maloo
• {{cite news |last1=Panda |first1=Aneesh Phadnis & Subrata |title=Beleaguered Jet gets another EoI; CoC extends deadline for resolution plan |url=https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/beleaguered-jet-gets-another-eoi-coc-extends-deadline-for-resolution-plan-120021801342_1.html |newspaper=Business Standard India |date=18 February 2020}}, article about an airline that Enso tried to invest in, paywalled but doesn't appear to be about Maloo
• {{cite web |last1=Bureau |first1=Our |title=Jet lenders extend deadline till March 9 for bid submission |url=https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/jet-lenders-extend-deadline-till-march-9-for-bid-submission/article30852697.eceM |website=www.thehindubusinessline.com |language=en}}, article about the same airline, Maloo only mentioned in passing
• {{Cite web|url=https://www.ensogroup.com/about-the-chairman/|title=Chairman's Profile|last=Maloo|first=Vinay|website=Enso Group}}, Enso company bio page
• {{Cite web|url=https://www.forbesindia.com/article/brand-connect/vinay-maloo-demonstrating-the-fundamental-qualities-of-a-great-leader/71861/1|title = Vinay Maloo: Demonstrating the Fundamental Qualities of a Great Leader}} "BRAND CONNECT - PAID POST", it says at the top of a gushing paid puff piece, useless as a source
• {{cite web |url=https://journeysuccessstories.com/mr-vinay-maloo-success-story/ |title = Be Risk-Averse Yet Bold Enough To Dream Big – Journey Magazine}}, a "journey success story" from journeysuccessstories.com, which claims he won two awards, neither of which appear to be notable or selective

::To summarise that list, we've got one solid article about him which appears to be from an independent, reliable source. Two others are routine coverage of the companies he works for. The rest are either passing mentions, junk, or don't even mention him. No indication of WP:SIGCOV in multiple reliable sources. Storchy (talk) 06:12, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

:::Storchy you seem to have a vendetta. Your analysis is JUNK. 2402:E280:3DB6:F8:D039:83B:6DFC:356D (talk) 07:40, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

:::You remind me of a guy called Sunil, Storchy, in my office, he is always grumpy even if someone yells at him and tells him the truth. Also, he got paid for espionage, tsk tsk. Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 07:52, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

:::Had to chuck him out, called the cops on him too. Just saying, your attitude reminds me of him. Moderators please note. Here is a self made billionaire with two multi billion dollar enterprises. Nuttyprofessor2016 (talk) 07:53, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

: comment : He definetly passes GNG. Other than the 3 reliable source I mentioned above, found another reliable secondary news source : https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/telecom/hfcls-nahata-and-maloo-may-part-ways/articleshow/1914140.cms Jehowahyereh (talk) 05:45, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

: comment : User storchy's source analysis is funny and seems intentional for deleting the page. His first source analysis says that its a short news bulletin, where as its an 8 paragraph long article written by staff journalist Reeba Zachariah which is over 500 words. By telling so it can be seen as his intention is to delete the page on false claims. Also he is saying Russia Beyond launched by Rossiyskaya Gazeta is not reliable ??? on what grounds ??? It seems his only intention is the delte pages related to Maloo's . I am quoting 4 news references which are reliable and secondary sources which are vital for proving his notability

• Article 1 - (10 paragraph - 500+ words article ) from The Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/company/corporate-trends/maloos-back-with-oil-core-focus/articleshow/3805672.cms
• Article 2 (8 paragraph - 500+ words article )- from Times of India - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/hfcls-maloo-may-invest-in-zicom/articleshow/1986419.cms
• Article 3 - (8 paragraph - 500+ words article ) Reliable news from Russian Newspaper Russia Beyond launched by Rossiyskaya Gazeta - https://www.rbth.com/economics/2015/06/08/indias_enso_group_to_take_up_projects_in_russias_far_east_43561 (This article clearly states the importance of the Indian Billionare Vinay Maloo as it says "Alexander Galushka, Minister for Russian Far East Development and Alexey Chekunkov, CEO of the Far East Development Fund, met with Vinay Maloo, Chairman of the Enso Group, one of India's largest industrial conglomerates, to discuss possibilities for the Indian group to invest in projects in the Far East" .
• Article 4 - (13 Paragraph - 500+ words article )from The Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/telecom/hfcls-nahata-and-maloo-may-part-ways/articleshow/1914140.cms

These articles itself clearly proves his notability Jehowahyereh (talk) 06:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

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