Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Viper (rapper)

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non-notable as per WP:MUSICBIO Deunanknute (talk) 15:01, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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• Strong keep very strange and well noted internet meme. I think having this article open will highly put into more investigation of just what in the world Viper is. His You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack album is a massive hit on the web as of 2014. He's on iTunes and even has a bio on MTV. Yet who he is is still a huge mystery and frankly is one big internet meme. He doubles as a notable artist for both in the way I see it Second Skin (talk) 10:56, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep: I am the creator of this article. This article should be kept as it meets Wikipedia's notability guideline for music. The subject of this article adheres to the criteria for composers and lyricist outside mass media traditions by being frequently covered in publications devoted to a notable sub-culture. The subject of this article is also sourced with references in notable publications such as Chicago Reader, Noisey and MTV. I am still in the process of gathering additional sources for this subject; in the meantime, I have added a {{tl|underconstruction}} template to the article to indicate this. Malcolmrevere (talk) 17:14, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - There's almost zero coverage of this subject in any music sites, and definitely zero in notable publication. I managed to find a grand total of three (3) mentions, all in non-notable music pubs that strongly resembled blogger sites. Clearly a vanity page. Rockypedia (talk) 01:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
• Keep. The references may 'look' like blogs at a glance (so do Billboard and Resident Advisor, I might add), but Sputnik Music [http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/65224/Viper-the-Rapper-Youll-Cowards-Dont-Even-Smoke-Crack/ here] and Vice Media's Noisey [http://noisey.vice.com/blog/meet-viper-the-genius-rapper-behind-youll-cowards-dont-even-smoke-crack here] are good curated review sites. Earflaps (talk) 16:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete no assertion of notability or significance, which is exactly why the article csd deleted on 20 January. The only difference between that and this is that if this ends up deleted it'll bar the subject from ever being back in wikipedia again, since recreation of afd deleted material is grounds for speedy deletion. TomStar81 (Talk) 11:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

::Only true if the exact content was posted twice, so an administrator would need to check to see the logs (i.e. the original deleted page). Otherwise, topics with new material can be reposted anytime significant new references have appeared. Earflaps (talk) 15:21, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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• Strong Keep. I have given the article extensive cleanup and extended the sources to include Vocativ and Complex Magazine's hip-hop site Pigeons & Planes, some sources are indeed student media but college radio's importance in independent music scenes is well-established and Noisey and MTV are certainly important and notable sources for this subject matter. Making links to Lil B, Wesley Willis, and chopped and screwed (all backed up in references) in the article strengthens his position as part of several cult musical traditions, net culture and outsider music. Finding Viper lacking in notability only indicates a lack of interest in his relevant genres. Additionally, it is worth noting sources used range from 2013-2015, and You'll Cowards dates from 2008 - few internet memes have staying power of over a few weeks, let alone a year. If Why didn%27t you invest in Eastern Poland%3F has a page in 2015 Viper merits one on his meme status alone. Felineastatine (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
• Keep: I believe notability is sufficient and agree with the other users here that references in such publications as MTV and the significant culture notoriety that came with You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack creates justification. I find the current state of the article to be acceptable, and fully expect that it will be improved by other users as time goes on. --BackToThePast (talk) 00:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. [http://www.chicagoreader.com/Bleader/archives/2013/07/05/12-oclock-track-youll-cowards-dont-even-smoke-crack-is-outsider-hip-hop-brilliance This article]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6W9RZIMks WebCite]} from the Chicago Reader, [http://noisey.vice.com/blog/meet-viper-the-genius-rapper-behind-youll-cowards-dont-even-smoke-crack this article]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6W9RfEEC4 WebCite]} from Vice, [http://www.sputnikmusic.com/review/65224/Viper-the-Rapper-Youll-Cowards-Dont-Even-Smoke-Crack/ this article]^{[http://www.webcitation.org/6W9Rj8nF0 WebCite]} from Sputnikmusic, and [http://www.vocativ.com/culture/music/viper-rapper-albums-spotify/ this article] from Vocativ, discuss in detail the subject and his work, so he passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. Cunard (talk) 00:31, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

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