Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wantitall.co.za

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The result was Keep. Ironholds (talk) 13:20, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

=[[Wantitall.co.za]]=

:{{la|Wantitall.co.za}} – (View AfDView log)

:({{Find sources|Wantitall.co.za}})

Article creator alleges that the article meets notability standards, two others seem to contest that point since the csd-A7 tag has been added and subtracted twice. IMO, an afd would be better suited for the article and the parties can figure out what to do with the article if it survives. I have no strong feelings on the deletion or retention of the article, it was just int he csd log and I was cruising through. TomStar81 (Talk) 10:42, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

~~Delete~~ Actually, it was tagged as non-notable company first, and later I tagged it as spam before I found out about the other tag. Reads like promotion for the company. The only reference is an article about Amazon blacklisting the South African Post Office, with a small last paragraph giving a comment from someone at Wantitall. As to the notability, with 16 employees it doesn't look very big, and I don't think that being the 'third largest' in South Africa means much without knowing how bit the first two are - if third place (in sales) means anything at all in terms of notability. A point I'm not clear on is the statement "WantItAll formed a strategic partnership with Amazon.com to stock their entire product catalogue partly due to the fact that Amazon "blacklisted" the South African Post Office for deliveries.". I get the impression from the sole reference that WantItAll were already a reseller of Amazon's stuff. Whichever is right, is being a reseller for Amazon notable? How many are there - in South Africa or elsewhere? Peridon (talk) 11:06, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

(copied from talk page)

Hi, I'd like advice on fleshing out the entry or adding more link and citations or information. I have stated a case on the Talk page of the entry. Please go and have a look. I would appreciate your feedback and assistance. MrDickensRob (talk) 11:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

: Traffic comparison of top 3 online retailers in South Africa: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/kalahari.net+take2.co.za+wantitall.co.za which actually shows WantItAll.co.za on 2nd spot and growing. You must note that SA has a small online retail presence. Additionally, there are no other Amazon resellers. The only place to access the Amazon USA product catalogue and get it delivered to SA is through WantItAll.co.za. MrDickensRob (talk) 11:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

(end of copy) Peridon (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Delete. Fails notability. I still don't believe that being the no. 3 online retailer does not necessarily establish notability of the company. Shovon (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 17:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

• I added in some arguments here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wantitall.co.za Please could I have some advice on how to make it more notable too? (Don't know if I'm allowed to write stuff here. Apologies if I'm incorrect.) MrDickensRob (talk) 07:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Comment Of course you're allowed to !vote (once) and comment (as many times as you need). Anything relating to the discussion is best posted here, which is why I copied your post above across. We are out to get a full picture in order to get a fair decision in accordance with our policies. Have a look at WP:GNG for general notability, and WP:RS for what is a reliable source. Peridon (talk) 14:10, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Keep - is that how you vote? I have added in more sources and citations as well as adding in international expansion in terms of the launch of the Brazilian site - CompreUS. Additionally, WantItAll runs Makroshop which is the online shop for South Africa's largest wholesaler Makro. Makro is part of Massmart but technically is now owned my Walmart and represents its first presence in Africa. Walmart plans to use this acquisition to expand into the continent at large. The developments in terms of WantItAll's relationship with Makroshop/Walmart have yet to be discussed, but since Walmart is such a notable company, this may prove to be a key partnership. I hope this goes further to prove notability. I have spoken to the company and they are loathe to reveal revenue numbers and since it is a private corporation they are not required to make these public. MrDickensRob (talk) 14:40, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Keep. I believe there are now enough non-trivial, reliable secondary sources to establish notability. —Bruce1ee^talk 10:12, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

::Sorry, the WalMart planning to take over MassMart one looks irrelevant to the notability of WantItAll, and the one about CompreUS shows a planned expansion, but reeks of a press release base rather than being a totally independent article. Peridon (talk) 13:34, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

:::These are the sources I had in mind: [http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page295027?oid=206163&sn=2009+Detail&pid=289766 MoneyWeb], [http://www.gbn.co.za/articles/dailynews/321/WantItAll,+Geared+to+Improve+SA+Music+Industry.html Gauteng Business News], [http://www.brainstormmag.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=330 Brainstorm] and [http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-06-12-300-young-south-africans-technology-continued Mail & Guardian]. They are notable publications that discuss WantItAll and its prominence in the South African online shopping arena. —Bruce1ee^talk 12:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Weak keep The M&G and Brainstorm ones don't look too bad. Bit brief, but these things often are (can be better than a load of waffle anyway...) Peridon (talk) 18:53, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Keep now it has a few decent sources. Coverage isn't massively detailed but appears to be just enough to establish notability under WP:CORP. Alzarian16 (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

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