Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Warpsmith

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Fictional alien race. Deleted through PROD, now recreated. Seems to fail WP:GNG. No reception, but there is a reception creation/publishing history that could be mergeable (but where?). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Comics and animation. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 14:34, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

:Could be merged with List of Miracleman characters‎ and/or Warrior (comics) (which is on my hitlist) but was worried it would perhaps swamp the page. I did read the previous deletion; Leach's death has meant wider mentions but not many are in-depth. Will dig around a bit, and do agree that while nominally part of an independent strip the characters have been subsumed by Miracleman some time ago, and if Marvel do start doing X-Treme Warpsmiths or something we can sort it then. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 14:43, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment The comic strip Warpsmith is discussed for a paragraph here in [https://www.google.de/books/edition/Magic_Words/JqUYAgAAQBAJ?hl=de&gbpv=1&dq=%22Warpsmith%22+-wikipedia&pg=PA99&printsec=frontcover Magic Words: The Extraordinary Life of Alan Moore], p. 99. It also has its own section in [https://www.google.de/books/edition/500_Great_Comic_Book_Action_Heroes/l0VFR_gvVZcC?hl=de&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Warpsmith%22+-wikipedia&dq=%22Warpsmith%22+-wikipedia&printsec=frontcover 500 Great Comic Book Action Heroes], p. 273, but unfortunately I can only see the heading. Daranios (talk) 16:03, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

• I must confess when I first planned the whole Miracleman revamp thing about a month or so for whatever reason I remembered Warpsmith-the-strip having a much more independent life than actually seems to be the case but barrelled off a bit because I love a detailed fictional alien culture... There's a certain case to be made that it's a work by one of the most noted comic writers (for some reason I had also misremembered that it was Leach's baby and Moore just pitched in but it seems to be the other way around), and the fanboy in me wants to argue vehemently for it having a page to itself due to being conceived as something more important than a Miracleman sideshow (honestly if I thought it had any chance of surviving I'd have done a page on Miracledog). But truth be told I'd estimate 99% of people who've heard of Warpsmith have done so via Marvelman/Miracleman. That said my other reasoning was that Silver Age #4 hints at something *big* coming for the Warpsmiths (something beyond being Miracleman's superfriends) but a) I could be totally wrong b) we can always change that if it does.BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 16:29, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to List of Miracleman characters‎. Extremely non-notable, but the character list is more likely to have evidence of notability, despite its failure of WP:LISTN right now. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:00, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
• :Could you please give me some hints on list notability? I created the list largely to avoid it making the main Miracleman article too long, ditto List of Miracleman story arcs. Constructive help as to how to make it fit in with LISTN would be appreciated. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 23:53, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• ::First, it would imply that Miracleman itself is notable. Second, the list should not be WP:INDISCRIMINATE, which means demonstrating the characters had an actual critical reception and impact. The "the development, design, reception, significance, and influence" of the characters should be talked about in a sourced way. If this cannot be found, the content should probably have been trimmed, rather than split. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:24, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• :::Thanks, I shall endeavour to find further sources. Though may I enquire why so many lists of characters and pages from various fictional sources do not seem to do this? It can be very difficult to follow notability and reference guidelines stringently when there appear to be different levels of scrutiny given to new article submissions compared to extant pages. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 19:11, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
• Comment - User:BoomboxTestarossa/List of Miracleman characters - a bit quick 'n' nasty (e.g. the references need sorting) but it doesn't seem to overwhelm the page IMHO BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 23:50, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
• Merge - very selectively into the list article. Maybe adding 5 or 6 lines there. Fails notability criteria.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 20:53, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

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