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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/We Just Decided To

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Perhaps a merge discussion should be had at the article's talk page. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:06, 27 September 2012 (UTC)

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Unremarkable episode. references provided demonstrate the notability of the series but not this episode. Article is almost entirely a copy of the parent article on the series and is already well covered there.RadioFan (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

: Weak keep: Article is in a rough state, but seems fixable. It's a pretty notable series, with lots of coverage, even around the premiere episode. The sources that review the episode also review the show, which is typical for a first episode. Probably needs a rewrite to emphasize the episode's role in establishing the series, which is entirely possible from the reviews that comment on the episode itself. No prejudice against re-nomination if problems persist and prove to be unfixable. Shooterwalker (talk) 15:03, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

:: Comment The series is notable, that isn't refuted here at all, the appropriateness of an article dedicated to this one episode (the only episode with an article) is being questioned. Notability of the episode isn't established here. Additional reliable sources are not likely to pop-up as the series continues on next season. This episode can and has been well covered in the article on the series itself. A merge might be a reasonable outcome here but since the article is almost entirely a copy of the parent article, I'm having difficulty finding anything to merge.--RadioFan (talk) 18:21, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:24, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Redirect to List of The Newsroom episodes#Season 1 (2012). No evidence of this episode's notability independent from coverage surrounding the premiere of the series.--Tdl1060 (talk) 21:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Incubate and redirect the title to List of The Newsroom episodes#Season 1 (2012) for now. There are reliable sources, reviews and commentary pieces, that could be used for a stand-alone article about this episode: [http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/bastard-machine/the-newsroom-hbo-aaron-sorkin-341749 Why Is Aaron Sorkin Such a Hot Button? (Analysis) from The Hollywood Reporter], [http://www.avclub.com/articles/we-just-decided-to,81499/ “We Just Decided To” review from The A.V. Club], [http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/06/the-pretentious-condescension-of-the-newsroom/258866/ The Pretentious Condescension of 'The Newsroom' from The Atlantic], [http://www.insidecounsel.com/2012/07/05/litigation-is-knowing-a-reporters-confidential-sou Litigation: Is knowing a reporter’s confidential source knowing too much? from InsideCounsel], [http://watching-tv.ew.com/2012/06/24/the-newsroom-aaron-sorkin-hbo-bill-oreilly/ 'The Newsroom' premiere review: Did Aaron Sorkin's new HBO series make you mad as hell, or happy as a clam? from Entertainment Weekly], [http://www.theatlanticwire.com/entertainment/2012/06/newsroom-yesterdays-news-today/53794/ 'The Newsroom': Yesterday's News, Today from The Atlantic Wire], [http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/the-newsroom-recap-1-we-just-decided-to THE NEWSROOM RECAP 1: WE JUST DECIDED TO from IndieWire], [http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/culture/2012/06/in-defense-of-aaron-sorkins-newsroom.html IN DEFENSE OF AARON SORKIN’S “THE NEWSROOM” from The New Yorker], [http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/series-premiere-review-the-newsroom-we-just-decided-to-im-as-mad-as-hell-and-im-not-going-to-take-it-anymore Series premiere review: 'The Newsroom' - 'We Just Decided To': I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore! from HitFix], [http://www.cbc.ca/news/offbeat/story/2012/06/25/f-newsroom-sorkin-review-cbc-journalists.html CBC journalists review HBO's The Newsroom from CBC News], and [http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/reviews/story/2012-06-21/Newsroom-Aaron-Sorkin-Jef-f-Daniels/55746690/1 Aaron Sorkin's 'Newsroom' buzzes with talk and big ideas from USA Today]. Also, if this episode does end up having a stand-alone article, the reviews about this episode which are currently at the series' article could be further summarized or removed (from that article), as reviews of and commentary on the series overall could be added in their place over time. Cliff Smith 20:06, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ItsZippy (talk • contributions) 17:27, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

: Comment I'm not sure how incubation is going to help here. There likely isn't going to be anything new written about this episode. Of the links above only the indie wire offers much specific to this episode and that's a recap, the remainder are offering commentary on the series as a whole. These would make fine references for the article on the series but dont do much to establish notability of the episode. The lack of ink on subsequent episodes doesn't help change the view that these reviews of the pilot aren't much about the pilot and are mostly about the series as whole. The pilot episode, just can't support a dedicated article. --RadioFan (talk) 18:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

: Keep All of the information in the article is important to both series and pilot. It is typical of a Wikipedia pilot episode article to have similarities to the main article - Conception, production, casting, ect. Look at Pilot (Boardwalk Empire) Pilot (Smash) and Pilot (American Horror Story) - All good articles. Let Me Eat Cake (talk) 20:52, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 00:56, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

: Keep Lots of coverage per GNG. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 23:01, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

:: Comment could you be more specific? There are concerns about the coverage that has been discussed so far , specifically whether that coverage is about the episode or the series (see above).--RadioFan (talk) 23:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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