Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wesley Gray

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Not yet notable Assist Professor. One academic book (co-authored),with only 131 library copies according to worldcat --important books in this subject get many more. The book from his experiences inIraq shows 210 copies,also low for that subject. DGG ( talk ) 05:12, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

:Abstain I was the page creator. This is a rare WP:COI page for me (I think my only one). I was not paid, but I did this page as a favor to a friend. I had some trouble finding the types of sources I would have liked as it pertains to WP:ACADEMICS. I will abstain from this discussion due to the COI element.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:09, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

::I was just informed of the following sources, which may help establish notability:

:::http://corporate1.morningstar.com/Chicago-ETF-Speakers/

:::http://www.aaii.com/authors/wesley-gray?adv=yes

:::http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/3471531178001/taking-advantage-of-taxes-through-alternative-investments/#sp=show-clips

::Does this help?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

::[http://ibd.morningstar.com/article/article.asp?id=650328&CN=brf295,http://ibd.morningstar.com/archive/archive.asp?inputs=days=14;frmtId=12,%20brf295 Another link].--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 15:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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:Weak Keep; based on evidence above. 128.125.52.41 (talk) 14:12, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep The book he is famous for is Embedded, which has multiple reviews including internationally (I added a couple of sources). He is the only author of that book. I think the co-authored book referred to in the nominations is [http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118416554.html this one]. He is interviewed nationally for his economic opinions (something most full professors don't experience), e.g. [http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/columnist/powell/2014/07/13/retirement-nest-egg/12531575/ this] and [http://articles.philly.com/2014-04-01/business/48739420_1_u-s-stocks-u-s-market-portfolio this]. So, he satisfies WP:NACADEMICS #7 and, more generally, WP:GNG. I am One of Many (talk) 22:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 10:39, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Keep - I'm still not convinced he passes WP:ACADEMIC but I think the sources provided above allow him to pass WP:GNG. TTT, it would be good if you could commit to some copy-editing. Certainly not an obligation by any means, would just be good to get some clarity around some of the claims and sources. St★lwart¹¹¹ 11:23, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

:*{{u|Stalwart111}}, What are the issues that you think need cleaning up?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:38, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

::*Just minor stuff - it was easier just to make a few changes myself. I don't think we should be (or need to be) naming his wife and daughter, for example and I moved his Reserve stuff to the end of his military service. Would perhaps be good to have a bit more about his military service - the work on which his book is based. St★lwart¹¹¹ 21:46, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

:::*Unless a BLP has requested privacy, family details are encyclopedic content. I don't know why Mr. Gray would be regarded any differently than any other BLP in which we know the name of his close relatives. I don't recall situations in which that additional biographical content was not considered ameliorative.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

::::*I've seen such details removed from the BLPs of politicians and sports-people - I would have thought a former solider wouldn't require such details to be published for his biography to have encyclopaedic value. But I certainly wouldn't object to them going back in - I really don't care either way. St★lwart¹¹¹ 23:33, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::*Generally sportspeople should have their wives and childrens names if we know them. If we can source them we should not include them. E.g., I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chris_Young_%28pitcher%29&diff=622847371&oldid=622835383 this edit] at Chris Young (pitcher) which resulted in his sourceable wife's name remaining in the article and unsourceable son's name being excluded. If we had a source for his son's name, I would have added it though. Please name sportspeople where it has been determined that the article is improved by removing spousal and child names.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:31, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

::::::*No, not suggesting it's an improvement - just thought it was the "done thing". I haven't queried/reverted when others have done so. But happy to have it queried and happy to be reverted myself if my understanding is incorrect. St★lwart¹¹¹ 01:28, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::::*I have restored the familial detail to the article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:07, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

::::::::*The personal detail looks good and is what one expect to in a notable BLP. I am One of Many (talk) 05:41, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

:::::::::*{{thumbsup}} St★lwart¹¹¹ 06:53, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

::::::::::*Don't congratulate me too much. His family has grown without appropriate sourcing.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 07:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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