Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiley Sylvester Grayer

:{{la|Wiley Sylvester Grayer}} ([{{fullurl:Wiley Sylvester Grayer|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wiley Sylvester Grayer}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

The article appears to be completely unverifiable and possibly about a non-notable person. I was unable to find any secondary sources about him ([http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Wiley+Sylvester+Grayer%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search Google], [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=goj&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tab=wn&q=%22Wiley+Sylvester+Grayer%22 Google News]) to prove that he was real or notable. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 15:08, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails WP:V. No evidence that this person has ever been treated in any reliable independent sources. Deor (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - without sources, the nom has it right. -- Mufka ^{(u) (t) (c)} 16:42, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

::You need some published sources. i put on a tag that should give your 5 days to find them. if there really isn' t anything but the unpublished family genealogical record, it will have to be deleted. 'DGG' (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:{{takenote}} DGG has not posted here, this is from before this AfD started. — neuro^(talk) 18:03, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

:::Fair enough but the Post Office friend is away in Boston and I just sent an e-mail to get more information so perhaps as other legitimate small articles you could just put on a Stub until I can get more information. I understand the notability thing as I have been writing and editing here for three years and run into it many times. However the person who put on the original speedy delete did it within 30 seconds of the article being written. Perhaps if this was a high school student or first time User writing an article for the first time, they would be deeply hurt or bothered by the sudden negativism instead of an Admin having some bedside manner and just talking to the author first to get a better idea of what's going on instead of this in your face delete or put out attitude. Thanks for the 5 day delay but it could be longer. WayneRay (talk) 12:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)WayneRay

::::This person was one of the first letter carriers with Canada Post in the early 1900's, in southwestern Ontario. This is the notability of this person whose family came up through the Underground Railroad after the Civil War in the USA and settled in the area. It will be added onto. WayneRay (talk) 17:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)WayneRay''

I have already been given a week (see above from my talk page) to get the verifiable information from someone who has it, they are away right now and I nor they, made this up? Just relax your delete button and attitude , being the first postal carrier in an area is notable for people interested in Post office history as I am so when I get the archives or museum information I will put it in then. WayneRay (talk) 17:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)WayneRay

• Comment. Canada instituted free rural mail delivery in 1908, so there must have been hundreds, if not thousands, of people who became the first letter carriers serving particular routes around that time. Even if it can be established that Grayer was one of them, I doubt that the fact constitutes sufficient notability for a Wikipedia article. Deor (talk) 18:45, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - an interesting life for sure but that is not enough for Wikipedia which requires that Wiley meets the criteria laid down at WP:BIO, particularly with regard to secondary reliable sources. Wayne, perhaps you could find a specialist website where this info might be more appropriate? Nancy ^talk 18:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
• 'Comment Wayne, what sort of materials do you expect to get? DGG (talk) 19:18, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails WP:BIO. Schuym1 (talk) 00:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• Delete never mind I will stick to the NFLD articles I was working on I just thought I would add something new that seemed important to Black Canadian history, I don't care anymore, just delete it. WayneRay (talk) 23:09, 25 January 2009 (UTC)WayneRay

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