Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Will Duckworth

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Non-notable politician. Holding the post of Deputy leader of the Green Party of England and Wales, elected municipal office in England and being a parliamentary candidate and not notable individually or when taken collectively Sport and politics (talk) 10:10, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. Being deputy leader of a prominent and parliamentary party, even if not an MP himself, is notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -The holding of this post of Deputy Leader does not make the subject notable. They have to have wider notability established by reliable third party sources. Simply holding one post in a small political party is not enough to make an individual notable (yes the Green Party are a small party, one MP two MEPs and a few councillors here and there, does not make them a medium or big party like UKIP, the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives or Labour, etc.). In the same way hold municipal elected office in England does not make an individual notable. The post itself can be notable by its history, or high profile office holders, etc. in the same way the office of leader of a Municipal Council is potentially notable as an office. That though does not qualify the holders of that office for notability or inclusion in Wikiepida. There is also no reasoning as to how that post makes the individual holders notable, there is simply use of: it is just because it is, to justify inclusion on Wikipedia which is absurd. Sport and politics (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• I'm afraid I completely disagree. Very few British political parties have any MPs or MEPs. In my opinion, the leaders and deputy leaders of those that do are inherently notable. That, also in my opinion, is common sense, and there is nothing absurd about common sense. What is, however, absurd is to prefer dogma ("nothing in Wikipedia specifically says they are notable so they can't be notable") over common sense. Remember WP:BURO? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment - I am almost certain you and I Necrothesp have no common ground and will never reach a compromise on this issue. I see this individual as clearly failing under WP:DISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTABLE per WP:POLITICIAN. This individual is not inherently notable just for holding the office of Deputy Leader of the Green Party. The individual notability of this subject must clearly be demonstrated or here will be an endless stream of indiscriminate article creation for the leader and deputy leader of every political party in the UK who has ever had an MP is the deputy leader or Chairman etc. of the Independent Community and Health Concern Party notable. I think not even though that party had an MP in Richard Taylor. Sport and politics (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Keep -- Being deputy leader of this party certainly makes him notable. The comparison with Taylor is not helpful, since his party was a local campaign group, with 1 MP and control of a district council. The Greens are a national party. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:47, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - deputy leader of a significant national party (has an MP, two MEPs, runs a council, etc). Article has several sources providing evidence of notability. Warofdreams talk 00:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment WP:POLOUTCOMES suggests that "Leaders of registered political parties at the national or major sub-national (state, province, prefecture, etc.) level are usually considered notable regardless of that party's degree of electoral success" are usually kept. I am unsure here whether the Deputy Leader should be considered "a leader" or "the leader" of the Green Party in this context (Principal Speakers were the leader of the GPEW [before its restructure] and the Deputy leader functions [then and now] more like a co-chair). In a comparable fashion, Sharon Day, the current co-Chair of the Republican National Committee in the United States does not have her own Wikipedia page (although I think she does have significant media and third party coverage). In the references provided in the article, the subject is mentioned, but is not the main focus of any of the articles (including and especially the BBC reference). Enos733 (talk) 05:20, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Delete. "Deputy leader" could very well mean this year's personal assistant to the actual leader. Person will probably be notable later on in their life. Jordanee155 (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

:Hardly. The deputy leader of a political party is the deputy leader, not just a personal assistant. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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