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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/William D. Carmichael

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete -- Y not? 14:33, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

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No Secondary reliable sources. Only claim of notability being a dean. Solomon7968 (talk) 17:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:36, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom, seems to fail WP:BIO. I should note that searching for sources is complicated by the fact that there seems to be a William D. Carmichael, Jr who was a much more senior and influential official at North Carolina. RayTalk 14:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Comment GScholar results are distinctly unimpressive but are probably not a fair measure in this case. We are looking at someone who reached a senior position in an Ivy League university in his early thirties, but who left academic life 45 years ago. Chances are that GScholar is significantly underestimating his academic impact. However, what about his post-academic career with the Ford Foundation and Human Rights Watch? [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=2vq_siMEzRIC&pg=PA139 This] description of his career, concentrating on his later years with the Ford Foundation and his involvement there with human rights, definitely seems substantial, reliable and secondary - with another source as good on both counts, I'd be voting !keep. [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=y-YH95YHIiwC&pg=PA98 These] [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=GdlVqMn2wc0C&pg=PA363 are] [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FClJr8cAfa4C&pg=PA52 not] as good - they seem secondary, reliable but not substantial - but deal with earlier parts of his time with the Ford Foundation. There quite probably are other substantial reliable sources out there, but they may take some searching for - there are also large numbers of passing mentions (for instance, citations of inter-office memos at the Ford Foundation, board membership lists at Human Rights Watch). PWilkinson (talk) 22:13, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

:*CommentThere are two William D. Carmichael, Jr among which the senior one was a much more influential official at North Carolina. Solomon7968 (talk) 04:53, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

::*Comment. I had already noticed your previous comment to that effect - but the sources show that the William D. Carmichael later employed by the Ford Foundation and involved with Human Rights Watch was this one. PWilkinson (talk) 10:18, 19 May 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, LFaraone 00:15, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

  • Delete. His positions have not been high enough level to be inherently notable and there doesn't seem to be enough nontrivial press coverage to make a good case for WP:GNG. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Keep in large part because of honorary LL.D. from the University of the West Indies. 'DGG (at NYPL) (talk) 19:30, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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