Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wochi Kochi Magazine

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Non-notable magazine. Declined speedy. No GNews hits. No GBooks hits. All GHits were to magazine-owned website. No refs from independent reliable sources, as www.jpf.go.jp is the parent company for the magazine. GregJackP Boomer! 01:51, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• I declined the speedy, because I felt the rationales asserted -- no assertion of notability and blatant advertising -- were not an accurate reflection of the actual state of the article. I believe AfD is the place for this, but this cries out for someone with Japanese language skills, as Google Translate does not seem to be all that helpful (translating part of the magazine name as "the penis," believe it or not.) If not found to be independently notable, this should be merged and redirected to Japan Foundation, I believe. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:01, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:03, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

::I edited this a bit (like adding the Japanese wikilink), but I'll have to spend more time looking for independent RS. One note: this is not a company. The Japan Foundation is an independent administrative agency associated with the Foreign Ministry of Japan. This is thus a non-profit publication dedicated to Japanese culture. That may not help in proving notability, but we should not think that the article is trying to serve a commercial purpose. Michitaro (talk) 02:33, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

:::Japan Foundation isn't terribly long, either. Unless Michitaro or someone can find something surprising, a merge and redirect is the best way to go imo. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:00, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete – I checked Japanese sources available online and determined this publication lacked clear notability based on WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK (which, in this case, essentially resulted in falling back to GNG). Notability aside, this is a company; non-profits are companies, and government agencies can set them up. That doesn't have any bearing on the notability of the publications they produce; they're either covered or they're not. JFHJr (㊟) 04:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

::According to Japanese law, JF is a dokuritsu gyosei hojin, or independent administrative agency. This is a special category under Japanese law and is distinct from non-profit corporations. Japanese national universities or museums are all dokuritsu gyosei hojin, and just like you would not call them companies, so you would not call JF a company.

:::In addition, there are eight Special Independent Administrative Agencies 独立行政法人 [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%89%B9%E5%AE%9A%E7%8B%AC%E7%AB%8B%E8%A1%8C%E6%94%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%BA%BA#.E7.89.B9.E5.AE.9A.E7.8B.AC.E7.AB.8B.E8.A1.8C.E6.94.BF.E6.B3.95.E4.BA.BA] whose functions are determined by Japanese law to be essential to the economic or social welfare of the Japanese people. These Independent Administrative Agencies were created under the reforms of then-Prime Minister Ryutaro Hashimoto when he slashed the number of ministries in half in the 90s and devolved many of their functions into these satellite organizations. [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%9C%81%E5%BA%81%E5%86%8D%E7%B7%A8] Hence, the taxpayer funding. [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E3%81%AE%E7%8B%AC%E7%AB%8B%E8%A1%8C%E6%94%BF%E6%B3%95%E4%BA%BA%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7] Jun Kayama 17:45, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete/Merge - Little (if any) WP:RS, and doesn't pass the WP:GNG, but this could be merged into to Japan Foundation or redirected there. ZappaOMati 15:45, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete/Merge I did more searching and while the publication itself seems to serve a public service, I cannot find sufficient independent RS to warrant a separate article. Since the Japan Foundation article is not that long, this article can easily be merged into that one. Michitaro (talk) 20:28, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Websites-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - I looked for evidence of significant third party coverage and cannot find it. JoshuSasori (talk) 01:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• Merge to Japan Foundation. Not enough independent reliable sources were found that would have established notability independent of the foundation. A mention or section should probably be enough. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• Note to closing admin: I've pasted the relevant paragraph into the Japan Foundation article. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 16:18, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Not seeing any third-party sourcing or coverage to indicate notability or justify a self-standing article like this. Article can be deleted now that relevant description has been added to Japan Foundation. --DAJF (talk) 00:52, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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