Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wrightsoft

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Fails notability I sense, only 24 employees. Complicated article and company 23 years old, which made me pause and ask AfD not CSD. SGGH ^speak! 12:51, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep article doesn't currently have reliable, third party references, they're all from the company's website, but they exist. Here are some I found: [http://www.hotfrog.ca/Companies/Wrightsoft] [http://www.achrnews.com/thedirectory/results/listing?code=180&company=1728820&page=2].--Serviam (talk) 13:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete non-notable. Both the above "reliable, third party references" are directories confirming the company exists. Existence does not equal notability. Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete: a software development firm for the heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) community is serving a small, non consumer niche market. No case is made in the article itself for general notability outside the HVAC trade, and as such the article fails the business notability guidelines. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:36, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, Found some specific sources on this company in some of the HVAC trade journals (via EBSCO, library database), they seen notable within their industry
• Wrightsoft Is 20 Years Old. Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News, 11/6/2006, Vol. 229 Issue 10, p6-6; From abstract: The article focuses on the accomplishments of the Wrightsoft Corp., which has celebrated its 20th anniversary, to contribute to the heating, ventilating, and air-conditioning (HVAC) industry with many software programs.
• Wrightsoft wins design award. Contractor Magazine, Aug2007, Vol. 54 Issue 8, p26-26; From abstract: This article announces that Wrightsoft was given the 2007 Dealer Design Awards.
• Innovation Awards 2004 Winners Selected. ASHRAE Journal, Jan2004, Vol. 46 Issue 1, pS14-S15, 2p; From abstract: Lists products that won the 2004 AHR Expo Innovation Awards. York UPG's Sunline MagnaDRY; Ice Energy's Ice Bear-50; Vulcain Alarm 301 IRF refrigerant monitor; Wrightsoft's the Right-Suite Residential;
• BITS & BYTES. Engineered Systems, Jan2007, Vol. 24 Issue 1, p122-122, 1/2p; (AN 23835654) From abstract:The independent panel of 45 contractors chooses the Wrightsoft Corp., in partnership with Uponor to win a gold medal award for its innovative design of the Uponor System Design software.
• HR Expo 2005 Innovation Award Winners. Supply House Times, Feb2005, Vol. 47 Issue 12, p28-28 From Abstract: The article announces the winners of the Air-Conditioning Heating Refrigeration Expo 2005 award. The winners of the award are Wrightsoft Corp. and Danfoss AS.
• HVAC-City: A home on the Net. Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News, 10/13/97, Vol. 202 Issue 7, p19 From Abstract:Reports on the Air Conditioning Contractors of America and Wrightsoft Corp.'s development of the HVAC-City, a full service Internet site.
• Software Products That Boost Profits Win Raves From The Contractor-Judges. By: Skaer, Mark. Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News, 7/19/2004, Vol. 222 Issue 12, p32-34, 2p From abstract: Highlights the winners in the contractor services and software category of the 2004 Dealer Design Awards for the U.S. heating and ventilation industry. Right Proposal Plus Module from Wrightsoft Corp.; Luxaire Business Analyzer from York Unitary Products Group.
• Winners Have the Right Stuff. By: Preville, Cherie. Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News, 7/17/2006, Vol. 228 Issue 12, p52-53, 2p; From abstract: The article announces awards given to outstanding heating & ventilation products in the contractor services and software category in the U.S. The company Wrightsoft Corp. has won the gold award for its Uponor System Design Software.
• Software Winners Selected. By: Preville, Cherie. Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News, 7/16/2007, Vol. 231 Issue 11, p46-46, 1p; From abstract: The article announces that Jonas Software has won gold, Wrightsoft Corp. has won silver and FastEST Inc. has won bronze award at the 2007 Dealer Design Awards ceremony in the contractor services and software category. --Captain-tucker (talk) 20:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep, as the references provided by Captain-tucker indicate sufficient coverage of Wrightsoft in third-party reliable sources as to establish a presumption of its notability per the general notability guideline, which provides in relevant part that:

  If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable.

  John254 00:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

• Delete Citations in industry trade journals are just about meaningless. They publish anything and everything about companies because they desperate for advertising dollars. Ever try to read one? --Thetrick (talk) 06:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete An industry trade journal, in this case "Air Conditioning Heating & Refrigeration News", is not a reliable source as these are essentially advertising vehicles and not devoted to independent coverage. Debate 木 08:19, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:N. And, there are no reliable sources. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:33, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I'm convinced this passes WP:CORP, especially after reading [http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/06/28/he_caught_wind_of_a_software_need/ this article]. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 13:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:*Indeed; even those who impugn the credibility of trade journals could hardly gainsay the reliability of The Boston Globe. Furthermore, not all of the citations provided by Captain-tucker are to articles in trade journals:

** Innovation Awards 2004 Winners Selected. ASHRAE Journal, Jan2004, Vol. 46 Issue 1, pS14-S15, 2p; From abstract: Lists products that won the 2004 AHR Expo Innovation Awards. York UPG's Sunline MagnaDRY; Ice Energy's Ice Bear-50; Vulcain Alarm 301 IRF refrigerant monitor; Wrightsoft's the Right-Suite Residential;

The "ASHRAE Journal" is not a trade journal at all, but rather a professional society journal published by the prestigious American Society of Heating, Refrigerating and Air-Conditioning Engineers (ASHRAE). Thus, it has been established that Wrightsoft is the subject of significant coverage in at least two clearly reliable sources, thereby satisfying the requirements of the general notability guideline. John254 21:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

• Comment from article creator: There is no doubt finding substantial sources can be trying for a small HVAC software company. Yes, much of the citations are from trade journals, but that doesn't mean they are false (libel, anyone?). I find it interesting that the users who wrote keep actually seemed to do a bit of research, rather than to add their own biased opinions on the reliability of a trade journals or whether Wrightsoft passes the celebrity test in order to remain a part of Wikipedia. Regardless of your personal thoughts on the notability of a small-niche company, I chose to write this article on Wrightsoft, as its founder and president Bill Wright was hand-selected by the Air Conditioning Contractors of America [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Conditioning_Contractors_of_America ACCA] to build the very first Manual J load calculation software. For me, that's pretty notable.--JLevangie02420 (talk)

:Comment Okay I'm confused. Is the article meant to be about Bill Wright (as JLevangie02420 states or about the company?? Jasynnash2 (talk) 14:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

:Comment Jasynnash2, An excellent point! I admit this page is not in the shape I wish to have it. I didn't anticipate the AfD, and though I fervently hope to be able to add to the article soon, I realize publishing this before it was ready has caused a mighty headache. The article is about Wrightsoft Corp., as the particular part of Bill Wright's life I wish to address started with an ACCA partnership, and the resulting establishment of Wrightsoft. Wrightsoft is an established innovator in software created specifically for load calculations. Not really note-worthy to the common-folk, I suppose, but if you are an HVAC contractor who needs to be code compliant, chances are this company is very well-known and notable.--JLevangie02420 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 15:04, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

• Keep per captain tucker, starblind and john254. Multiple RS's - Boston Globe and professional society journal, equals N. John Z (talk) 07:25, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
• Notice, I put the question of trade journals being reliable sources onto Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Industry specific trade journals? to obtain more opinions. --Captain-tucker (talk) 17:02, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep I'll comment there, but for the award of professional distinction in a profession, a leading trade journal is perhaps the best source there is. As with any other source, it is necessary to distinguish the material from public relations. I think the material here hold up pretty well.DGG (talk) 19:32, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
• Keep per both the Boston Globe article and some of the trade journal articles. Trade journal articles must be judged with editorial discretion, not merely blanked accepted or blanket rejected. GRBerry 19:58, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

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