Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Y-Mag

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The result was Keep (non-admin closure - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-admin_closure#Appropriate_closures complies with guidelines]) « Diligent Terrier [talk] 20:28, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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Delete non-notable magazine Mayalld (talk) 15:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm inclined to go keep on this one. The article needs clean-up, to be sure (and I tagged it accordingly), but it seems to have been notable. It's mentioned [http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20040329/flair/flair2.html here] with five others among a list of "several major magazines", and it merited a mention [http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-24172576_ITM here]. According to this [http://www.iafrica.com/pls/cms/iac.page?p_t1=12&p_t2=949&p_t3=0&p_t4=0&p_dynamic=YP&p_content_id=963908&p_site_id=2 iafrica story], it seems to have been the official publication of the "biggest regional radio station in South Africa." It sponsored some kind of fashion show [http://www.news24.com/News24/Entertainment/Local/0,,2-1225-1242_1403717,00.html here] that seems to have been a big event. Looking at various cover images, it looks like a glossy, professionally produced magazine. ([http://theencoremag.blogspot.com/2007/08/can-kabomo-team-take-y-mag-back-to-its.html], [http://www.ugpulse.com/images/articles/daily/20061017_100_12.jpg], [http://www.amuseafrica.com/pictures/updates/060512_ymag.jpg], [http://www.crazymonkeymovie.com/news/images/yfm0.jpg]) Unfortunately, many of the google news hits I get for "YMag" "Y-Mag" and "Y-Magazine" are subscription only, though, so I can't confirm how many of these are relevant and address notability. If the article is not cleaned up, it might be better merged down into YFM, but I don't think it should be deleted. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:59, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. —triwbe (talk) 12:47, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Stubify. The radio station is notable, sure, but notability is not contagious. G-news [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Y-mag%22+site%3A.za&btnG=Search+Archives hits] show a problem, the other links here don't add much. But this mag could, conceivably, be a valid citation for other entries, especially entertainer bios. Though I haven't found the policy to back this up (and none may exist), I think that should count as a notability get-out-of-jail-free card. Even if a stub is all we'd be able to put together. 9Nak (talk) 20:58, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

:*There are actually substantially more Google news hits than that. Y-Mag is just one possible title; with international publications, you have to look at variants. :) [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22YMag%22&btnG=Search+Archives YMag] hits a few more, including the article above that described it as a "major magazine" ([http://www.jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20040329/flair/flair2.html here]). A search of [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Y+Magazine%22+Africa&btnG=Search+Archives "Y Magazine" Africa] brings up even more, including a subscription only reference from the LA Times in 2000 that "Mazibuko has also appeared on the cover of the trend-setting Y magazine". Given the systemic bias of these search engines, it can be hard to assess the notability of a South African magazine, but if it's being name-checked in the LA times, it's probably notable. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:20, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, « Diligent Terrier [talk] 18:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, --jonny-m t 02:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Keep This is a notable South African magazine. When I went to that country, it was widely sold. DollyD (talk) 10:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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