Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zaffar Iqbal Manhas

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The subject has served at some posts which are non-notable. It fails to satisfy WP:POET and WP:ANYBIO. He was also appointed as a member of the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Council for Shopian district. MLCs are not assembly or parliament representatives or elected members and hence it fails to satisfy WP:POLITICIAN (an MLC is appointed by other politicians and not by the voters). Wikipedia is an international encyclopedia and local news sources and press releases alone are not enough to determine notability. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:28, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

The article reads he knows "English, Kashmiri, Urdu, Hindi, Persian, Dogri, Gojri and Punjabi languages. All the mentioned languages (excluding English and Persian) are regional languages of the Jammu and Kashmir and are generally known to everyone and hence fails to pass WP:CREATIVE

TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:35, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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• Comment Ummm! Person who has been members of "legislative bodies" at those levels are generally considered notable, according to WP:NPOL. We should wait for the opinions from the experts on politic of India. VocalIndia (talk) 16:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Passes WP:POLITICIAN was a member of the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Council.Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been {{tq| members of legislative bodies}} at those levels.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 17:24, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

::It is neither an national nor international government system. In Indian political system, it only applies to Lok Sabha, the lower house of the national government. WP:POLITICIAN further reads "Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability". If MLCs are notable then why we don't have articles about district judges in India? In my opinion, MLC doesn't passes WP:POLITICIAN TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:13, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Indian political system is federal, therefore NPOL applies to both national and state levels and to both lower and upper houses. These bodies derive their power directly from the constitution and are part of law-making process independently. -- Ab207 (talk) 21:04, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

It should be deleted or redirected to the :List of members of the Jammu and Kashmir Legislative Council. Almost every MLC-related articles have held notable positions but the article in question has not held any notable position. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:21, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep. Passes WP:NPOL, as it states that "members of legislative bodies" at state/province level are presumed notable in a federal system of government, which India has. Tristan Surtel (talk) 22:08, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep passes WP:NPOL. VocalIndia (talk) 05:14, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep current content of the article is irrelevant to AfD. It's a strange position to argue that as the members of the Legislative Council are appointed this voids their notability under WP:NPOL. Their notability stems not from the method of election, but their role within the institution, ie its legislative notability. --Goldsztajn (talk) 14:00, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Goldsztajn}}, MLCs are the unelected members representing an area (i.e a district is represented by two unelected members (MLCs) not by a single MLC alone). I referred to "voters" to clarify the difference between an assembly member (MLA) and an unelected council member (MLC). TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

:::Please see also their role in constitution of India[https://wap.business-standard.com/about/what-is-legislative-council]. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 15:02, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

:::*Comment The method of election is irrelevant. (FWIW the vast majority of the J&K MLCs were not "unelected", rather they were simply not *directly* elected by the general population, but they were elected). The Indian LCs have/had legislative oversight – this is what makes these houses and their members notable.--Goldsztajn (talk) 22:22, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

• Keep passes WP:NPOL. Zin Win Hlaing (talk) 08:50, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NPOL. MLCs are members of upper house of the state legislative body, which meets the criteria established by NPOL. The manner of election is different than the lower house but that's by design, to bring in more diversity to the law-making procedure. -- Ab207 (talk) 20:54, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
• Keep - this would be the equivalent of someone in the Senate of any of the U.S. states, which definitely qualifies as passing WP:NPOL.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:41, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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