Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zizians

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Per this discussion at the talk page. Probably best to blow everything up and start all over again. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 01:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime, Sexuality and gender, and Religion. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 01:03, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:Comment as creator of discussion, this is less a "TNT" case and more "no one here has been convicted, so it is impossible to write an article that is not a WP:BLPCRIME violation, especially since it is named after a BLP". If other people agree with me (doubtful, given past discussions on this topic, and how vague BLPCRIME is) an alternative could be draftifiying this until people are convicted. We aren't banned from naming people accused but not convicted of crimes, but the fact it involves these dubious group affiliations and is named after one make it worse. There is not one clear perpetrator there are a bunch of different people who may well have every different convictions and results.

:I think this article was not a BLP violation when it was on Maland's death, as the perpetrator of that was dead - but then it was eclipsed by the notability of the group. It would be less of a BLPCRIME violation if it was describing the group and its beliefs, but consensus has repeatedly come to removing that material because it was undue weight (and also because the person adding it had very obvious POV issues). I fully expect this to be closed as keep but the BLP problems need to be addressed. Something should be done, I am not sure if that something is deletion, but this is not good. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:07, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

::PARAKANYAA, that makes more sense. Should I close this AfD and request a RM to refocus this article's subject back to Maland's killing? — 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 01:12, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

:::@LunaEclipse Unsure - the notability of that was definitely eclipsed by the group even if it was less problematic like that I'm not even sure we can we cover the Maland killing without it being about the other Zizians? Everything is not settled right now so I don't know. I think this AfD was a bit hasty (no offense intended, you are clearly doing it in good faith to improve the encyclopedia) and there may be other ways to solve the issues right now besides deletion.

:::So maybe withdraw but I hope other people participate in the talk page discussion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:16, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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