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== Category:Great Basin fauna and flora ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Great Basin fauna and flora}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Basically includes a few fauna and flora categories. No need to lump them into one category. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:59, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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==== Category:US Volcanic fields West of 109°W ====

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:The result of the discussion was: Relist, see WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 29. Dana boomer (talk) 00:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:US Volcanic fields West of 109°W to by state categories

:Nominator's rationale: Merge to the by state category. By state is the established breakout in the US. There is nothing in the category introduction that would indicate why 109 West is notable for this activity. If kept, rename to :Category:Volcanic fields of the United States west of 109°W. Note that in effect this covers all of the US since if you continue west from 109W, you reach it from the east. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:51, 11 November 201--Chris.urs-o (talk) 08:17, 22 November 2010 (UTC)0 (UTC)

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== Category:City Creek Center ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|City Creek Center}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Contains only logos related to the City Creek Center shopping mall development in Salt Lake City. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Delete as the category now only contains the eponymous article. I will take exception though if the category has been emptied out of order. __meco (talk) 08:41, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Government-owned companies ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Relist, see WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 29. Dana boomer (talk) 00:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. i propose renaming these categories for consistency with the other entries of :Category:Government-owned companies by country. meco (talk) 19:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

::I think a common, generic, descriptive term should be applied to all categories even though some countries may have English names that differ from this. In the case which you bring up, the use of the term state will become confusing if applied as you suggest if other countries, such as Brazil and the US which which have "states" as subordinate entities below the federal government, are classified also per that subordinate level. __meco (talk) 08:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Quasi-public entities in the United States ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Relist, see WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2010 November 29. Dana boomer (talk) 00:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Quasi-public entities in the United States to :Category:

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. I understand the need for a category which covers companies that are partly controlled by the government, however, this name doesn't sit well with me. And as this is a type of category that would be relevant for many countries I think a name that could travel around such a structure needs a little thinking about. meco (talk) 18:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Comment. Perhaps something to do with :Category:Public–private partnership would be appropriate. __meco (talk) 19:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Comment. I believe that in the U.S. this is the most commonly used term for these; it's certainly not a WP-created neologism. "Quasi-public entity" and "quasi-public entities" both get thousands of hits on google. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment --If Quasi-public is the US term we should Keep it for US entities, even if it is not the term used elsewhere. This should not mean that that we must rename similar categories for other countries that use other terminology. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:53, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Battery electric vehicle components ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Battery electric vehicle components}}

:Nominator's rationale: Some of the contents of this category do not match the title and those that do are best served by an article. -- Alan Liefting (talk) - 21:31, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

  • keep and cleanup. A category is a perfectly fine way of organizing this material for navigation, the purpose of categories, regardless of any article that anyone may choose to write. Hmains (talk) 02:52, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete -- Some months ago, we had an editor who created vast number of categories for "green" energy, transport, etc. Is this another of his SPAM categories? I observe that some one has removed wire from this category (and rightly). Many of the items listed here can be components of a wide range of electrical equipemnt, so why delect out those needed for battery operated vehicles? If kept, irrlevant and mundane items should be removed. Peterkingiron (talk) 00:00, 7 November 2010 (UTC)


:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 13:57, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete as nominated. At least half of the articles are for components used in a wide range of applications, and the few survivors could be moved into the parent category. Mangoe (talk) 22:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Weak keep This is a tough one for me. Yes, I think it has all the hallmarks of a nonsensical Mac/Nopetro green energy OC violation. Yes, much of the category contents do not belong here, as they are not battery electric vehicle components. And when you take those away, there's not a whole lot left. However, the nominated category seems to be a reasonable sub-cat of :Category:Vehicle parts and :Category:Battery electric vehicles, and as such, permitted under WP:OC. But as Peter says, needs clean up. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:21, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

::*Removed my weak keep -- the deletion supporters make compelling cases. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 17:25, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

:*Examination of :Category:Vehicle parts shows that it is highly problematic, with many of the articles tagged for notability issues and others not specifically relevant to vehicles. Mangoe (talk) 03:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete. Not defining and if we add this category for :battery pack, we also need to add that to :Category:Flashlights. These components are for the most part used in other places and it is not generally defining there either. For the really unique components, they are already spelled out in the various articles. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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==2010 by US state==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Dana boomer (talk) 01:55, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|2010 in California}}

:{{Lc|2010 in Texas}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete both. Possible categories, but the only member in either category (2010 World Series) doesn't belong in either, meaning the categories should be empty. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

::Why not just depopulate and tag as {{tl|db-c1}}? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:55, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:::I don't want to be accused of depopulating a category before requesting deletion; I've removed one or two articles from a category before, but this time there was only one. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

::Note: Related discussion at WT:SPORTS#Category:yyyy Major League Baseball seasonArthur Rubin (talk) 17:05, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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==Category:R&B and soul musicians from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv (talk) 21:41, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

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:Propose merging :Category:R&B and soul musicians from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania to :Category:Musicians from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, :Category:American rhythm and blues musicians and :Category:American soul musicians

:Nominator's rationale: 1) R&B (genre), 2) soul (genre), 3) musicians (occupation), 4) Pennsylvania (state), 5) Philadelphia (city). Overcategorization, or, more accurately, complete overkill. There's need to narrow down categories this much. — ξxplicit 05:50, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


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  • Merge as overcategorization. This would have to be done manually to separate the R&B and soul people, no? Hekerui (talk) 14:48, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • :Yes, and I'll take care of that should the nomination succeed. — ξxplicit 20:15, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. Definite overkill. That said, there might be some utility to a category specifically for Philadelphia soul musicians, but that's a genre which includes some musicians who aren't from Philadelphia and excludes some who are, so it's not identical to this set as defined here. Bearcat (talk) 00:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Derivatives ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Derivatives to :Category:Derivatives (finance)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Derivatives is ambiguous. The suggested name is based on the main article in the category, Derivative (finance). עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. __meco (talk) 18:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Support very ambiguous. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 06:01, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

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==== Nuclear power stations in the United States ====

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Rambo's Revenge (talk) 17:10, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose merging :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States Region 1 to :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States

:Propose merging :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States Region 2 to :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States

:Propose merging :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States Region 3 to :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States

:Propose merging :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States Region 4 to :Category:Nuclear power stations in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Parent category is not overly populated. While there are 4 NRC regions, are they of navigational importance for the average reader? Navigation would be better served by keeping all of these in one category. Note that one region covers about 70% of the area of the US. If we need to split the parent later, we can do so by state. Also note that the other subcategories are not split out by region. Vegaswikian (talk) 08:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

: Merge as proposed. A good idea to remove clasification by NRC region. But generally all US Power Stations should be classified by state which would be a subcategory of “Energy facilities in State X”. At the moment Hydro plants are; plus Coal stations and Wind farms for some states only. For the other states they are also directly listed under "Energy facilities etc. Hugo999 (talk) 10:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Bolling family ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Bolling family to :Category:Bolling family of Virginia

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Consistent with categories covering other First Families of Virginia (e.g. :Category:Custis family of Virginia, :Category:Fitzhugh family of Virginia, and :Category:Randolph family of Virginia). Location (talk) 03:58, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

:Rename. As the creator of this category, I feel that the proposed renaming does not change the category's scope and is consistent with similar categories for First Families of Virginia, as the nominator states above. Location, thanks for all you do for Wikipedia! --Caponer (talk) 19:21, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Support the principle. This will avoid mis-population by others with the surname, but no close relationship. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Germany international rugby union players from Zimbabwe ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Germany international rugby union players from Zimbabwe}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. We definitely don't want to be sort international players by country of origin. TM 03:12, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete overcategorization, but there are in all 9 subcategories of that type, they could have been nominated alongside this one. Hekerui (talk) 21:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Motorways and highways of Pakistan ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Dana boomer (talk) 00:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Motorways and highways of Pakistan to :Category:Motorways in Pakistan

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. To conform to motorway categories in other countries. "Highways" in Pakistan are not limited access-roads and are best categorised at :Category:Roads in Pakistan. Mhockey (talk) 03:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Support since there are no objections. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:54, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Electors ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Dana boomer (talk) 01:57, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:Electors to :Category:Prince-electors

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Electors is ambiguous. I think this should be renamed to match Prince-elector. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:34, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:George Washington slept here ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 08:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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:{{Lc|George Washington slept here}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. We definitely do not want to start categorizing places by notable people who slept there, or ate there, or peed there, or whatever. It's typically an interesting factoid about a place, but is not generally defining for the places. And you know, many notable people have slept in an awful lot of different places. Can you imagine the category clutter on certain ritzy hotels! Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:29, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Keep. George Washington is a unique character in American history and where he slept is also a unique cultural reference. Having a list of places where he slept would be valuable. Whoisjohngalt (talk) 16:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • It may be true that having a list of places he slept would be valuable, but if so shouldn't this be accomplished via a list article? Good Ol’factory (talk) 21:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete Such lists exist for very many people throughout the world and throughout history. Most places were a monarch has spent the night will have this prominently chronicled and presented to later guests and their written histories. __meco (talk) 18:18, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete I don't even think a list would have any value. Wikipedia is not a directory for trivia like that. Hekerui (talk) 12:24, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete -- but no objection to listifying. The equivalent in England, would be "Queen Elizabeth slept here" which is supposed to apply to many manions of the period. Interesting but NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete -- listify by all means Johnbod (talk) 10:14, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Gender-specific basketball teams ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename all. — ξxplicit 00:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Central Missouri basketball to :Category:Central Missouri Mules and Jennies basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Georgia basketball to :Category:Georgia Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Hawaii basketball to :Category:Hawaii Rainbow Warriors and Rainbow Wahine basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Liberty University basketball to :Category:Liberty Flames and Lady Flames basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Louisiana Tech basketball to :Category:Louisiana Tech Bulldogs and Lady Techsters basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:LSU basketball to :Category:LSU Tigers and Lady Tigers basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:UMass Minutemen basketball to :Category:UMass Minutemen and Minutewomen basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Mississippi State University basketball to :Category:Mississippi State Bulldogs and Lady Bulldogs basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Oklahoma State University basketball to :Category:Oklahoma State Cowboys and Cowgirls basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Old Dominion University basketball to :Category:Old Dominion Monarchs and Lady Monarchs basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Penn State basketball to :Category:Penn State Nittany Lions and Lady Lions basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Tennessee basketball to :Category:Tennessee Volunteers and Lady Vols basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:UNLV basketball to :Category:UNLV Runnin' Rebels and Lady Rebels basketball (or :Category:UNLV Rebels basketball)

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Wyoming basketball to :Category:Wyoming Cowboys and Cowgirls basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Wyoming basketball venues to :Category:Wyoming Cowboys and Cowgirls basketball venues

:Propose renaming :Category:Baylor University basketball to :Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Baylor University basketball venues to :Category:Baylor Bears and Lady Bears basketball venues

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Matching parent categories like :Category:Central Missouri Mules and Jennies and :Category:Tennessee Volunteers and Lady Vols. UNLV is an odd case, in that the overall sports program is called the UNLV Rebels (see :Category:UNLV Rebels), but only in the two basketball programs is an adjective applied to each team name. So maybe the second choice is appropriate.--Mike Selinker (talk) 02:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Update: Added Baylor.--Mike Selinker (talk) 16:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Rename. With no objections by now probably an OK change. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Savannah State ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 08:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers to :Category:Savannah State Tigers and Lady Tigers

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State University basketball to :Category:Savannah State Tigers and Lady Tigers basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers women's basketball to :Category:Savannah State Lady Tigers basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers women's basketball seasons to :Category:Savannah State Lady Tigers basketball seasons

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers men's basketball to :Category:Savannah State Tigers basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers men's basketball seasons to :Category:Savannah State Tigers basketball seasons

:Propose renaming :Category:Savannah State Tigers men's basketball coaches to :Category:Savannah State Tigers basketball coaches

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. This school does call its female athletes Lady Tigers. Examples [http://www.ssuathletics.com/news/2010/11/5/WVB_1105101626.aspx here] and [http://www.ssuathletics.com/news/2010/9/16/WBB_0916104717.aspx here].Mike Selinker (talk) 02:24, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Rename. With no objections by now probably an OK change. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Signers of Historical Documents ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. Jafeluv (talk) 08:11, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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:Propose merging :Category:Signers of Historical Documents to :Category:Signatories by document

:Nominator's rationale: Merge. Duplicate categories. Suggest merging to older and correctly capitalized one. I also believe "signatories" is a little more formal and proper than "signers". Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. __meco (talk) 18:19, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom as redundant category. Hekerui (talk) 09:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Category:Student ghettos ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Student quarters. Good Ol’factory (talk) 09:48, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

:{{Lc|Student ghettos}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category is arbitrary and not appropriate for an encyclopedia. I'm a long term resident of one of the areas placed in the category (which is how I came across it at the foot of the page I was reading). I don't consider the area a "student ghetto" and find the association pretty obnoxious. Having categories allowing people to haphazardly claim an area is a "ghetto" just isn't clever. Sharkeven (talk) 01:54, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

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== Arkansas Razorbacks ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename. Jafeluv (talk) 08:13, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball players to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball players

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball coaches to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball coaches

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball seasons to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks men's basketball seasons

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Ladybacks basketball to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks women's basketball

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Lady Razorbacks basketball players to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks women's basketball players

:Propose renaming :Category:Arkansas Ladybacks basketball coaches to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks women's basketball coaches

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Arkansas basketball venues to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball venues

:Propose renaming :Category:University of Arkansas basketball to :Category:Arkansas Razorbacks basketball

:Nominator's rationale: Rename. Per the Furman and Ole Miss nominations from yesterday, Arkansas no longer seems to use the name "Ladybacks" for the women's teams. Examples are [http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11449&SPID=677&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=205028338 here] and [http://www.arkansasrazorbacks.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11701&SPID=688&DB_LANG=C&DB_OEM_ID=6100&ATCLID=205019234 here].--Mike Selinker (talk) 00:14, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

  • Rename. With no objections by now probably an OK change. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

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