Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 February 22

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/merge as nominated. – Fayenatic London 17:40, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Baptist Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Brethren Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Calvinist and Reformed Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Presbyterian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Lutheran Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Moravian Church Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Roman Catholic Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Orthodox Universalists‎

:* Propose double upmerging :Category:Episcopalian Universalists‎ to :Category:American Christian Universalists and :Category:Anglican Universalists

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Welsh Christian Universalists‎ to :Category:British Christian Universalists

:* Propose deleting :Category:Canadian Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Danish Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Egyptian Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:French Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Irish Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Italian Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Russian Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Swiss Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Syriac Christian Universalists‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Syrian Christian Universalists‎

:Nominator's rationale: Delete per :WP:SMALLCAT. A full triple diffusion of :Category:Christian Universalists by denomination, by nationality and by century, is really over the top, as this tree is way too poorly populated. Note that upmerging instead of deleting is not needed: with this proposal, all articles remain in the tree of :Category:Christian Universalists anyway because there is also a complete diffusion taking place in :Category:Christian Universalists by century which remains untouched by the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• {{Ping|Marcocapelle}} Can you explain more about this nomination: are you saying that you think the by century scheme should remain? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:56, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

:* Yes. The by-century scheme is less of an issue, as there are only few centuries here that would apply for :WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• Question: Why are you proposing to keep American, British, German, Anglican, Quaker and UCA categories, while deleting the other nationalities and denominations? Just because of size? – Fayenatic London 22:25, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

:* Yes. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

::*{{Ping|Marcocapelle}} Keeping some of them but then deleting/upmerging the others is the opposite of what WP:SMALLCAT says: we should keep or abandon the scheme, not split the difference. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:05, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

:::* The exception to WP:SMALLCAT applies to 'large' subcat schemes. Nothing within {{cl|Christian Universalists‎}} is large or even medium: there are not many of them in toto (~ 150) and most countries have none. Oculi (talk) 12:59, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

::::*{{Ping|Oculi}} I don't understand what you're saying. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 07:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

:::::* :WP:SMALLCAT says "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme". However, this exception rule doesn't apply in this case because the scheme is not large at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

• Comment If there is consensus about all of this, I will post a new CfD to upmerge the three diffusion categories (by denomination, by nationality and by century) to the top category. With the current nomination, there will only be some 10 grandchild categories left (in total), they can easily become child categories instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:52, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
• Upmerge everything to :Category:Christian Universalists. I see no compelling case for subdividing in any way a category of this size.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 17:47, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose downmerging :Category:Montenegrin metropolitans‎ to :Category:Metropolitans of Montenegro‎

:Nominator's rationale: Downmerge - at least merge, because all these metropolitans were 'from' and 'of' Montenegro at the same time. Prefer downmerge over upmerge, just in general, because for bishops the territory that they are bishops of is more defining for them than the place were they come from. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

:* "Metropolitans of Montenegro" is ambiguous; there should be one category for Serbian Orthodox metropolitans in Montenegro, and one of the uncanonical Montenegrin Orthodox Church. These are not to be confused with eachother.--Zoupan 20:10, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

::* {{ping|Zoupan}} I see what you mean. By the way, metropolitan Mihailo of the uncanonical church is currently in neither of the two categories, he is only in :Category:Montenegrin bishops. Basically we should continue the merge but then rename it to :Category:Serbian Orthodox metropolitans of Montenegro‎, right? Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (contents merged to :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church from Canada). Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:24, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church from Canada

:Nominator's rationale: Delete per :WP:OVERLAPCAT with :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Canada.

: The two category names are different by a single word: 'from' versus 'in'. All 4 bishops in the 'from' category are also contained in the 'in' category. The mother church in the Ukraine has not been split in an 'in' and a 'from' category, so there's no need for this child church to do so either. Before deleting, I would recommend to move the parenting from the 'from' to the 'in' category. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• Support The job is more defining than the nationality of the job holder. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge/delete as proposed. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Bishops of Edmonton of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church‎ to :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Canada

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Archbishops of Winnipeg of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church‎ to :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church in Canada

:* Propose deleting :Category:Bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church by diocese‎

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge the first two categories per :WP:SMALLCAT. After this merge, the third category will be empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• Support but without prejudice to a future re-creation should numbers warrant it. Laurel Lodged (talk) 20:50, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Republic of Adygea to :Category:Adygea

:* Propose renaming :Category:Republic of Buryatia → :Category:Buryatia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Chuvash Republic → :Category:Chuvashia

:* Propose renaming :Category:Udmurt Republic → :Category:Udmurtia

:Nominator's rationale: To match the structure of the article names following this 2011 Talk:Adygea#Requested_move discussion. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:36, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

• Note that :Category:Ingushetia, :Category:Mari El, and :Category:Mordovia already match Ingushetia, Mari El and Mordovia. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:26, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:PD-Bain to :Category:George Grantham Bain collection images

:Nominator's rationale: Rename to be more descriptive. Template:PD-Bain is for images in the George Grantham Bain collection from the Library of Congress. Ricky81682 (talk) 05:29, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

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