Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 January 22

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Infinite Zero albums}}

:Nominator's rationale: This record label is not sufficiently notable for its own WP article, so it is hard to see how this category is a defining characteristic for any of these albums. UnitedStatesian (talk) 20:44, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Infinite Zero is/was a reissue label, so all of the albums already had their initial release under what should be the more defining label of the album. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 06:17, 23 January 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: if this category is deleted please also delete the cross-namespace redirect Infinite Zero albums. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 21:50, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Articles with Synthlisten}}

:Nominator's rationale: What purpose does this category serve that can't be served by Special:WhatLinksHere? {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:27, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete unless some purpose for the category is found (which, given the lack of inlinks, appears unlikely). DexDor ^(talk) 20:55, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete. FYI, {{tl|Synthlisten}} has been merged with {{tl|Listen}} and the category in question is now effectively replaced with :Category:Articles with audio generated from MIDI files. Nardog (talk) 05:43, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:52, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Annecy Cristal winners to :Category:Annecy Cristal for a Short Film winners

:Nominator's rationale: The Annecy International Animation Film Festival now has Cristals for best theatrical short, theatrical feature and TV production. While the theatrical short category is the original "Annecy Cristal" and has a special significance because of this, I think using the section name used on the festival's website at https://www.annecy.org/festival/awards is very helpful for disambiguating between the different categories of Cristals.

I have realised I have made a bit of a mess by creating the new category first rather than going through the normal procedure to get this approved to be done by a bot. But suggesting this merge is the best way I can think of remedying my first-time-category-renamer's mistake. Tempjrds (talk) 06:34, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• Delete (both) as non-defining for many films - e.g. Lorenzo (film) and Afterlife (1978 film) make no mention of this particular award in the article text. Note: there is a list at Annecy International Animated Film Festival#Award winners. DexDor ^(talk) 20:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete both per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Recategorise the one actual article, then delete the category. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:46, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

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:* Propose deleting {{lc|Songs in memory of Kurt Cobain}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category seems useless. Only 1 of these pages is not a redirect, and, from a quick glance, the song looks non-notable, so it could very well be a redirect in the future. Plus, it appears to be in memory of a lot of people, so Cobain is not a defining part of it. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:42, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

• Upmerge to :Category:Songs in memory of deceased persons and then delete, per nom. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 20:00, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Upmerge the article, it is not useful to upmerge the three redirects since they do not link to information about commemoration of Kurt Cobain. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:16, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
• Delete without merging the redirects. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:23, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of California by region}}

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• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the California Coast Ranges}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the California chaparral and woodlands}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Central Valley (California)}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Channel Islands of California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Colorado Desert}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Lower Colorado River Valley}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Peninsular Ranges}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Mojave Desert}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the San Francisco Bay Area}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Santa Monica Mountains}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of the Transverse Ranges}}

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...by county

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• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of California by county}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Butte County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Calaveras County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Contra Costa County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of El Dorado County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Fresno County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Humboldt County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Imperial County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Inyo County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Kern County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Lake County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Lassen County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Los Angeles County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Madera County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Marin County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Mariposa County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Mendocino County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Modoc County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Mono County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Monterey County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Napa County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Nevada County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Orange County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Placer County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Plumas County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Riverside County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Sacramento County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Benito County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Bernardino County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Diego County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Francisco}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Joaquin County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Luis Obispo County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of San Mateo County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Santa Barbara County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Santa Clara County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Santa Cruz County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Shasta County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Siskiyou County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Solano County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Sonoma County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Trinity County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Tulare County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Tuolumne County, California}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|Natural history of Ventura County, California}}

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:Nominator's rationale: Categories were largely created by User:Look2See1 (blocked for disruptive editing; categorizing without consensus). Categories are currently populated primarily by organisms, most of which are overcategorized, placed in several of the listed categories and overlapping with similar categories.

:The "Natural history of..." categories are largely duplicative of the existing "taxon X-of-location Y" system for flora, fauna, and other organisms (:Category:Flora of California, :Category:Fauna of California, etc.). Plants in particular have a specific categorization system at WP:PLANTS.

:As parent categories, they seem redundant to the various "Biota of...", "Environment of..." and "Geography of...", and "Geology of..." categories.

:Article space is more appropriate for detailing the composition/natural history/ecology of a habitat in a certain location, e.g. Ecology of the Sierra Nevada or California coastal prairie.

:If these categories are retained, most of them will need to be almost completely emptied, as they should be restricted to categories and articles about the natural history of these locations. Species/Organism articles should not be directly categorized in any of these, but rather placed in their respective :Category:Endemic flora of California or :Category:Endemic fauna of California-type categories instead. —Hyperik ⌜talk⌟ 01:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

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|label1=C:Geology of Butte County, California

|1=some geologic feature in Butte Co.

|label2=C:Endemic fauna of Butte County California

|2=some animal only found in Butte Co.

|label3=C:Endemic flora of Butte County, California

|3={{clade

|1=Sidalcea robusta

|2=Trifolium jokerstii

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|label2=C:Natural history of Calaveras County, California

|2=etc.

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|label2=C:Natural history of California by region

|2={{clade

|label1=C:Natural history of the Channel Islands of California

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• I support the phasing out of categorization of species articles by small regions (except where endemic) as it often leads to articles being placed in categories for non-defining regions (e.g. regions that are not mentioned in the article text). However, this CFD needs to explain why the proposed deletion (not upmerge) wouldn't remove any good categorization. For example :Category:Protected areas of the Colorado Desert is in :Category:Natural history of the Colorado Desert and hence in :Category:Colorado Desert - deletion of the cat:nhotcd might (incorrectly) remove cat:paotcd from cat:cd (note: it wouldn't currently because there's some redundant categorization, but that may not be the case for all such categories). DexDor ^(talk) 20:28, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
• Comment - I endorse the the general goals of this nom, but I also agree with the concerns expressed by DexDor. On one hand, ALL of the county cats should be deleted forthwith, for all sorts of reasons. Most of the others should go, as well. But some should probably/possibly be retained. (e.g. {{Cat|Natural history of the Channel Islands of California}})

:Has the nominator notified the relevant WikiProjects? I think their assistance could be very helpful. Anomalous+0 (talk) 03:14, 23 January 2019 (UTC) :{{ping|Hyperik}}

::WikiProject notification is done automatically - e.g. see Wikipedia:WikiProject California#Article_Alerts. It is also possible to put a note on each project's talk page, but in my experience the response rate to such notes is very low. It should also be noted that most/all bad/dubious categories are created without any prior wikiproject discussion. DexDor ^(talk) 05:48, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

:::To be clear, what I'm thinking is that they might help to comb thru the subcats and identify which are worth retaining. I take it the only Projects that get notified are those on the talk page -- but it's only listed with the California Project. What I had in mind was Projects where the editors are knowledgeable about Natural history.... (Environment, Biology, ???) Anomalous+0 (talk) 06:03, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

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