Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 June 8

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:The result of the discussion was: Speedy closed as rename, C2C--Ymblanter (talk) 08:29, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Ghanaian MPs 1965–66 to :Category:Ghanaian MPs 1965–1966

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1868–69 to :Category:Greek MPs 1868–1869

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1905–06 to :Category:Greek MPs 1905–1906

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1924–25 to :Category:Greek MPs 1924–1925

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1932–33 to :Category:Greek MPs 1932–1933

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1935–36 to :Category:Greek MPs 1935–1936

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1950–51 to :Category:Greek MPs 1950–1951

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1951–52 to :Category:Greek MPs 1951–1952

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1963–64 to :Category:Greek MPs 1963–1964

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek MPs 1989–90 to :Category:Greek MPs 1989–1990

:* Propose renaming :Category:Haryana MLAs 1966–67 to :Category:Haryana MLAs 1966–1967

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish MPs 1557–58 to :Category:Irish MPs 1557–1558

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish MPs 1585–86 to :Category:Irish MPs 1585–1586

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish MPs 1634–35 to :Category:Irish MPs 1634–1635

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish MPs 1692–93 to :Category:Irish MPs 1692–1693

:* Propose renaming :Category:Irish MPs 1713–14 to :Category:Irish MPs 1713–1714

:* Propose renaming :Category:MEPs for Croatia 2013–14 to :Category:MEPs for Croatia 2013–2014

:* Propose renaming :Category:MEPs for Spain 1986–87 to :Category:MEPs for Spain 1986–1987

:* Propose renaming :Category:Moldovan MPs 1917–18 to :Category:Moldovan MPs 1917–1918

:* Propose renaming :Category:Moldovan MPs 2009–10 to :Category:Moldovan MPs 2009–2010

:* Propose renaming :Category:Nagaland MLAs 1974–75 to :Category:Nagaland MLAs 1974–1975

:* Propose renaming :Category:Nagaland MLAs 1987–88 to :Category:Nagaland MLAs 1987–1988

:* Propose renaming :Category:Northern Ireland MLAs 2016–17 to :Category:Northern Ireland MLAs 2016–2017

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1801–02 to :Category:UK MPs 1801–1802

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1806–07 to :Category:UK MPs 1806–1807

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1830–31 to :Category:UK MPs 1830–1831

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1831–32 to :Category:UK MPs 1831–1832

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1885–86 to :Category:UK MPs 1885–1886

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1922–23 to :Category:UK MPs 1922–1923

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1923–24 to :Category:UK MPs 1923–1924

:* Propose renaming :Category:UK MPs 1950–51 to :Category:UK MPs 1950–1951

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:C2C, follow-up to the successful Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 May 29#Category:MEPs 1952–58. Original discussion @ Template talk:Navseasoncats#Follow-up CfD?.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  21:12, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support all per previous CfD and discussion. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 07:06, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support all - for consistency. Oculi (talk) 16:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
• Speedy rename WP:C2C. – Fayenatic London 07:40, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Model railroad manufacturers to :Category:Toy train manufacturers

:Nominator's rationale: Substantial overlap of concept. Many manufacturers produce stuff for both ends of the market, and people who start off with toy trains progress to models. There is no clear boundary between them. Maybe needs a different name - perhaps "Toy and model railway manufacturers" or "Rail transport modelling companies"? Rathfelder (talk) 17:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Comment There is a clear distinction between a Scale model and a toy; which I seem to remember being discussed here before. I don't think merging these two is actually gone to improve things. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:21, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

::*I think you are wrong to suggest there is a clear distinction between the two. There is a continuum. Some products are clearly toys, some are clearly models, many can be seen as either. Toy trains are all made to a scale. Rathfelder (talk) 14:56, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

:::*...and they are quite distinct. Twiceuponatime is right - there is a clear distinction. Grutness...wha? 15:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

• Reverse merge or do not merge at all. :Category:Model railroad manufacturers would seem to be a better umbrella term, but as :Category:Toy trains is a distinct subcategory of :Category:Rail transport modelling, I do not see an obvious reason to merge the manufacturers. There is however a continuum between the two. Place Clichy (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose. Model railways and toy trains are different things, as Twiceuponatime points out. There are some companies, however, which manufacture both, hence the incorrect perception of a continuum. I would, however, support a renaming of the proposed category to {{cl|Model rail manufacturers}} as a language neutral form. Grutness...wha? 15:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
• Most of the companies produce both models and toys, and much of what they produce can be described as either. Rathfelder (talk) 08:58, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

:* That may be true, but what I look at is whether your proposal to merge is going to improve the category structure. I can accept that the present structure is far from perfect, but I cannot see that your proposal makes things better. Twiceuponatime (talk) 09:45, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Wikipedians who use Chromebook}}

:Nominator's rationale: Similarly to previous discussion about operating systems, categorization of users by hardware is not helpful. —⁠andrybak (talk) 15:52, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Delete Redundant Category and is not needed. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:17, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:48, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:County of Aragon to :Category:Counts of Aragon

:Nominator's rationale: rename, per actual content of the category, it contains biographies of counts, rather than history articles about the county. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:05, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

::As the one who created the category, I agree with the change. Maragm (talk) 14:06, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Support These are the rulers of the County, not other articles relating to it. Dimadick (talk) 21:07, 9 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom (was Delete by mistake), as there is unlikely to be much specific content to the County period in the history of Aragon, besides the list of counts. Place Clichy (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
• : It is not clear why you would not keep the category as :Category:Counts of Aragon though. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• :: {{Re|Marcocapelle}} Sorry, I meant Rename as nom, of course. Place Clichy (talk) 09:03, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• Support -- but County of Aragon (a substantive article) should be used as a main article (as well as a list article for rulers). We are unlikely to get other content on this small polity. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
• Create as subcat. I can see numerous articles which could potentially be added to the category as it currently stands but which are not articles on counts, e.g., Roman Catholic Diocese of Huesca, Andregoto Galíndez, Battle of Roncevaux Pass (824), Guntislo Galíndez, and Urraca Fernández. Grutness...wha? 07:10, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 09:44, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Countesses of Barcelona}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, with two exceptions (Ermesinde of Carcassonne and Almodis de la Marche) this category only contains queen-consorts of Aragon, who already are in :Category:Aragonese queen consorts and for whom countess of Barcelona was a mere secondary title. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:14, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose This would removed them from the Countesses category tree with no real reason. Dimadick (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2019 (UTC)

:* That can easily be solved, I will add the parents :Category:Spanish countesses, :Category:Catalan nobility, :Category:Medieval Catalan women to the two beforementioned articles, once this category is deleted. There is no need to add these to the queen-consorts of Aragon. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. Count of Barcelona is a list that shows that several move countesses would be eligible even if queen-consorts of Aragon are kept out, and at least 2 already have an article: Douce I, Countess of Provence and Petronilla of Aragon (who was queen-regnant of Aragon and countess-consort of Barcelona, and brought Aragon in the House of Barcelona). Also, the title of Count of Barcelona was later revived, first by Louis XIII of France, then by 20th-century Infante Juan, Count of Barcelona, so their spouses are probably considered countesses as well. Place Clichy (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

:Comment in the second case, a re-creation of the title would have to have its own category. Am inclined to support the nomination with the additional safeguards suggested by the nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:59, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:47, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Calixa-Lavallée Award winners}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD, just one of many awards in this field. Besides, the main article already contains a list. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:04, 8 June 2019 (UTC)

• Delete per nom e.g. non-defining for Serge Garant. All the articles currently in the category are in the list at Calixa-Lavallée Award. DexDor ^(talk) 13:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
• DElete - yet another OCAWARD case. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:06, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

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