Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 15

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:30, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|St Mungo Prize recipients}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCAWARD. The St Mungo Prize is a prize awarded triennially to the person who has done most to improve and promote the city of Glasgow. The winners have been listified in the main article. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete. Interesting but non-defining award as far as I can tell. Fiamh ^{(talk, contribs)} 20:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Iraqi Kurdistan stubs to :Category:Kurdistan stubs

:* Propose merging :Category:Iraqi Kurdistan geography stubs to :Category:Kurdistan geography stubs

:* Propose merging :Category:Democratic Federation of Northern Syria stubs to :Category:Kurdistan stubs added 16 November

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge (by editing the template), unnecessary small stub categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support - No reason to have small stub categories. --Semsurî (talk) 21:06, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support - very small, and even the Kurdish parent stub cats are pretty small. Unnecessary split. Grutness...wha? 23:01, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• {{ping|Semsûrî|Grutness}} I have added a third stub category to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

::Support as well. --Semsurî (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

::Ditto. Grutness...wha? 02:23, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:33, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Video game downloadable content packs to :Category:Video game downloadable content

:Nominator's rationale: "Packs" is unnecessary in the title, per the main article name, downloadable content. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:41, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support Honest no idea why "packs" was included when I created it over 2 years ago. Might have been creating it from a redlink I found. -- ferret (talk) 18:44, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support per nom.--Alexandra IDV^talk 17:35, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge childbirth tree to the maternity tree. No consensus for midwifery by country. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Childbirth in Uganda to :Category:Maternity in Uganda

:* Propose merging :Category:Childbirth in the United States to :Category:Maternity in the United States

:* Propose merging :Category:Childbirth in the United Kingdom to :Category:Maternity in the United Kingdom

:* Propose merging :Category:Childbirth in India to :Category:Maternity in India

:* Propose merging :Category:Childbirth in Australia to :Category:Maternity in Australia

:Nominator's rationale: The maternity tree is better populated and has a slightly wider scope. Rathfelder (talk) 11:41, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Childbirth by country to :Category:Maternity by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Midwifery by country to :Category:Maternity by country

:Nominator's rationale: There are barely any articles in either of the "By country" subcategories for either childbirth or midwifery. Maternity has wider scope. Rathfelder (talk) 11:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: Rathfelder, is the proposal supposed to be for merging :Category:Midwifery by country to :Category:Maternity by country? And apart from the Uganda category, are you suggesting changes to any of the other existing subcats? --Paul_012 (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
• Apologies I've been looking through these categories. I think :Category:Maternity by country is viable, and there are sufficient country articles in it. I had thought to leave the individual country articles for later consideration, but I cant see anything in the Childbirth by country categories which couldn't happily fit into the appropriate maternity category. I'm not so sure about the midwifery articles. Rathfelder (talk) 19:58, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support most but Keep midwifery separate. We also have a midwives by country tree, which is well populated. It may be that some midwifery material needs purging from the maternity tree. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:50, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• I'm quite happy to leave the midwifery proposal for now. Rathfelder (talk) 11:15, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Selective merge to :Category:Horror punk. (non-admin closure) ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Horror rock to :Category:Horror punk

:Nominator's rationale: According to the article for horror punk, horror rock is just another name for it. Is there a reason why there is a category for each? Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 17:15, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment The horror punk article may say that, but I'm not sure it's true. Looking at the contents of :Category:Horror rock and :Category:Horror punk, they share basically none of the same bands, and there does appear to be a clear distinction between them. It feels like a tough case to make, if (via the merge) we're going to present the likes of Glenn Danzig and Alice Cooper as "Horror punk" acts. ({{small|Update:}} Merging in the other direction might make more sense, as all punk is rock, but not all rock is punk.) -- FeRDNYC (talk) 10:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

::But horror rock redirects to horror punk, and I don't really find anything online that discusses "horror rock" (except a list by VH1), but there are multiple discussions and articles on what "horror punk" is, such as [https://www.rebelcircus.com/blog/hell-horror-punk/ Rebel Circus], [https://rateyourmusic.com/genre/Horror+Punk/ Rate Your Music], [https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/articles/features/the_beginners_guide_to_horror_punk-71237 Ultimate Guitar] and [https://dailycollegian.com/2013/10/for-scary-kids-only-a-brief-history-of-horror-punk/ Daily Collegian]. Besides merging, parsing will be necessary as well. Alice Cooper, for example, being more glam rock and shock rock as horror rock/horror punk isn't even mentioned in his article, but horror punk is mentioned in Danzig's article. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 16:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

::: {{reply|Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars}} You're right, I boned that one. I should've really mentioned Danzig rather than Glenn Danzig, but of course Danzig isn't listed at :Category:Horror rock. Glenn Danzig started out with the Misfits and Samhain, basically creating "horror punk" — and as such, he's correctly listed in :Category:Horror punk musicians.

::: Anyway, my larger point is that :Category:Horror rock was likely created because, despite the Horror punk article's equivocation (which was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Horror_punk&diff=386538874&oldid=383855295 added] by an IP user back in 2010), like I said "not all rock is punk". You'll notice that :Category:Horror rock contains the Horror punk article, and :Category:Horror punk as a subcategory, but the reverse is not true. It also contains subcats which may or may not be appropriate to list as subcats of :Category:Horror punk. (Both :Category:Psychobilly and :Category:Deathrock are listed at :Category:Punk rock genres, alongside :Category:Horror punk, which seems the correct hierarchy on that front.)

::: I guess what I'm saying is, :Category:Horror rock may be useful or not, as it stands, but merging it into :Category:Horror punk doesn't seem like it would serve any purpose except to arguably pollute that category with things that may not belong there. The things that do belong in :Category:Horror punk are already there, or in subcats. IMHO, one could make an easier argument for just deleting :Category:Horror rock outright as non-notable / minor, and allowing the various pages and subcats within to just remain reachable via the otherwise-established hierarchy. (It's not like any of these pages are lacking in WP:OVERCAT.) But since I realize that merges tend to be easier to sell than deletions, typically, I suppose a "merge" that actually adds (almost?) none of :Category:Horror rock to :Category:Horror punk — which I suspect would be the outcome of said merge, once the dust settled — would be a workable compromise. -- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

::::So merge but with cleanup needed because not all the content in horror rock belongs in horror punk. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:13, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support with some reservations, as discussed above. --- FeRDNYC (talk) 01:32, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 10:31, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Animated television series about teenagers to :Category:Teen animated television series

:Nominator's rationale: To follow the scheme of categories in :Category:Teen television series. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:10, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment: The other categories under :Category:Animated television series by topic follow the current naming pattern. — MarkH21 (talk) 23:13, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

::True, although that entire scheme was created only a few months ago and there is no scheme for "teenager" categories. There is, however, :Category:Works about adolescence, which contains :Category:Teen films and the aforementioned :Category:Teen television series. Perhaps there should be :Category:Films about adolescence and :Category:Television series about adolescence and this one can be renamed to :Category:Animated television series about adolescence. Deletion is also an option. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 23:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

:::As long as they're all renamed to be consistent, anything should be fine. "_ about adolescence" sounds slightly better to me than "Teen _" because it's a bit more precise (e.g. is a "teen film" a film for a teenage audience or have teenage main characters?), and more true to the idea than "_ about teenagers" (adolescence as opposed to literally having an age between 14 and 19). — MarkH21 (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep "about" form which is less ambiguous. No preference between teens and adolescents. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
• Keep "about" form I agree with marco that it's less ambigous since the proposed title doesn't make it clear if teens are the subject matter or the audiance while the current title does. Slight preference for adolescence per Marks comment above, but both adolescence and teenagers are fine. ‑‑Trialpears (talk) 23:02, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. MER-C 09:29, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Agrarian politics to :Category:Agrarianism

:Nominator's rationale: Agrarianism is a political movement; most of the articles in the category (eg Georgism) are political in nature. I'm not sure how "agrarian politics" differs from "agrarianism". Fiamh ^{(talk, contribs)} 08:37, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, agrarianism is a very specific political philosophy, while the nominated category has a much broader scope. Possibly rename to :Category:Agriculture and politics, possibly move some of the content from one category to the other. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 09:27, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Eye to :Category:Eyes

:Nominator's rationale: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Speedy&oldid=925074784#Opposed_requests Opposed] CFDS. This seems to also be a set category since :Category:Eyes in culture now exists and the Common category is also at Category:Eyes, there is also :Category:Eye, Suffolk so :Category:Eye can become a DAB just like :Commons:Category:Eyes. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - this is a topic category as can be seen immediately by glancing at the subcats (such as {{cl|Eye care}}) (another topic category). The present name is just perfect. Oculi (talk) 00:36, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose. This is about all eye-related articles, not just eyes themselves. JIP | Talk 12:33, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose for the reasons above. This is for eye-related topics, not for the eyes themselves. See also the categories for Ear, Face, Head, Mouth, Nose... Grutness...wha? 23:15, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

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