Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 November 16

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:26, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Copyright length to :Category:Copyright term

:Nominator's rationale: The main article for this category is "copyright term" which is the general term for the length of time that copyright remains in effect. buidhe 19:51, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 09:25, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vegetarians}}

:Nominator's rationale: There have been two previous discussions about this category and the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013_May_8#Category:Vegetarians consensus was to delete]. It is not a defining feature to have a category on this because most on the list are not notable vegetarians. We have a decent category that I have worked hard on expanding [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Vegetarianism_activists Vegetarianism activists], for people who dedicated their life (or a notable aspect of it) to vegetarianism. We do not need both categories. I suggest the "vegetarians" category be deleted. Psychologist Guy (talk) 18:53, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Delete obviously non-defining. Could be speedied as recreation of a deleted page. buidhe 19:52, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per previous deletions. Oculi (talk) 22:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Delete per above. The steaks are pretty high, so it's time for the chop. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 16:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Canadian Film Awards (1949–1978). MER-C 09:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Canadian Film Awards to :Category:Canadian Film Awards (defunct)

:Nominator's rationale: Canadian Film Awards was the proper name of a specific film award that was presented in Canada from 1949 to 1978, at which time it was replaced with the Genie Awards, which in turn got merged into the contemporary Canadian Screen Awards in 2012 -- but the problem is that it's ambiguous with the general {{cl|Canadian film awards}}, which is the standard {{cl|Film awards by country}} subcategory for all film awards presented in Canada. The capitalization is the only distinction between the two categories, so there have been instances of people misfiling stuff here that wasn't actually related to the CFAs at all and really belonged in the lowercased name twin. I'm not wedded to the specific name I proposed, if people have a better idea that avoids the less than ideal "defunct" disambiguator, but something clearly needs to be added to eliminate the confusion. Bearcat (talk) 15:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Comment What about :Category:Canadian Film Awards (1949–1978) instead? Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 17:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

::That would work too. Bearcat (talk) 20:07, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

• Rename somehow to avoid confusion. Personally I like Lugnuts' alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:49, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• I like Lugnuts alternative. I would also like Genie Awards and Gemini awards to be treated in the same way. This would then enable :Category:Canadian Screen Awards to have its predecessor subcat merged into it. The present name is unsatisfactory, as it is likely to be found (by mistake) by those wanting to know about the present award. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:48, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. MER-C 09:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Astrological databases}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 article. Rathfelder (talk) 22:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

• Support in principle but merge to :Category:Online databases. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
• Done that.Rathfelder (talk) 15:03, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Online databases (not done by Rathfelder). Oculi (talk) 16:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Merge per above. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 17:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
• Merge per above, with no prejudice against re-creation if we get further articles on the subject. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: do not rename. MER-C 09:32, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Health care-related timelines to :Category:Healthcare timelines

:Nominator's rationale: * Previous discussion

I think this was an oversight. All the member articles of this category are stylized "Timeline of healthcare in X." It stands to reason that this category should match. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:35, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose, the previous discussion led to using "health care" as the standard spelling. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
• : {{re|Marcocapelle}} Then the constituent articles need to be renamed. Until then, I don't see why the category shouldn't match the articles. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 16:08, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

::* Right, the articles need to be renamed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:10, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

:::*:Category:Health care by country has a mixture of spaced/unspaced names; is this following local usage in some countries? If so, the article names should match in such cases. But if either some or all of the articles will be renamed, then the nominated category should be kept. – Fayenatic London 21:09, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

::::* Fair enough. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:01, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::* we have discussed healthcare v. health care before. There doesnt seem to be any identifiable local usage. It's pretty random, but nobody can agree on which to use. Rathfelder (talk) 09:49, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::* We need a well-attended RFC tbh. It's absurd to me that the original RM closed as no consensus (no consensus to rename AND no consensus against it), but somehow there was consensus found in this thread to rename the categories. This is all backwards, and the what the categories are named shouldn't be determining what the articles are called. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 22:05, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::::* The consensus is to follow the article name. If the article name changes to Healthcare the category name will also change. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

::::::::: It doesn't make sense to me that an article which isn't in this category, which doesn't have consensus for its current name, would be what we would use for the name here. There were a total of four comments in the last discussion, and none of them considered the fact the articles within each category were not all named in the same convention.
Maybe the best path forward is to start another move request since we clearly disagree with the process here. What are your thoughts on that? –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 01:47, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

:::::::::* That would procedurally most certainly be the best step. Although the chance of moving seems limited: so far it seems like there is a close to 50/50 distribution in the two ways of spelling. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)

• Keep - it also stands to reason (WP:C2C) that the names should match the article Health care and the category {{cl|Health care}}. Oculi (talk) 13:15, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 09:28, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Comic science fiction to :Category:Science fiction comedy

:Nominator's rationale: Match the parent article. Also request all sub-cats to be renamed accordingly. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:06, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

• Rename per WP:C2D. {{ping|Kailash29792}} you need to tag and list the subcats if you want to have them renamed too, otherwise they will not be processed. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: They are :Category:Comic science fiction novels and :Category:Comic science fiction television series. --Kailash29792 (talk) 06:57, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Kailash29792}} Yes but you have neither tagged nor listed them. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:42, 17 November 2019 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. For consistency reasons. Dimadick (talk) 10:51, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

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