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== Category:Extended centaurs ==

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and :Category:Trans-Neptunian objects, but in light of the result of the discussion immediately below this one, merge to :Category:Centaurs (small Solar System bodies) and :Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:09, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Extended centaurs to :Category:Trans-Neptunian centaurs

:Nominator's rationale: This category was created as "Ejected Centaurs", and moved without discussion without formal discussion to "extended centaurs". Centaurs are, in non-technical language, things between comets and asteroids. On some definitions centaurs are within Neptune's orbit. The members of this category are considered centaurs by other definitions, even though they are :Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. – Fayenatic London 23:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Rename. And here I was, trying to imagine a horse with a long body and a man's head. Grutness...wha? 00:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment, some of the objects in the articles are described as trans-Neptunian objects, others are described as centaurs. If they really are all of the same kind it would be helpful to harmonize the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Additional note: Although there was no CFD discussion, and no link in the edit summaries, I have just found that some editors did confer before the move to the current name, see User_talk:Kheider#2012_DR30_and_orbital_classification and following. – Fayenatic London 10:22, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

:* This looks really messy. {{ping|Rfassbind|Kheider}} pinging both discussants in the latter discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:49, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

  • To nominator "Trans-Neptunian centaurs", is this term ever used in literature? A quick google search only gives me two hits of minor importance, while [https://books.google.ch/books?id=g4-3k77nm7EC&pg=PA188&lpg=PA188&dq=%22extended+centaurs%22&source=bl&ots=PPFsXHBmmR&sig=ACfU3U3f3NhcTbi7pZ76mPyWqzc2QL5Ymg&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22extended%20centaurs%22&f=false Extended centaur] seems well documented. Also ping {{ping|Exoplanetaryscience}}, just in case. — Rfassbind – talk 07:15, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment As an add-on to this: The nominator's description seems to indicate that centaurs are a mutually exclusive orbital body to trans-Neptunian objects, and this is simply not the case. Centaurs are simply defined as any object whose average orbit is beyond Jupiter but closest point is within Neptune, and not in an orbital resonance with one of these planets (hence Pluto and the rest of the Plutinos do not count, nor do the Uranus or Neptune trojans) whereas a trans-Neptunian object is just any asteroid whose orbit goes beyond Neptune. All this is to say that they are all still technically centaurs, even if individual articles do not say as such. I've also definitely seen the term "extended centaur" used quite prevalently in scientific literature. Still, I don't have strong opinions one way or another. They are the same thing regardless. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment This classifications is based on the simulated behavior of the orbit when extended over 10 million years. The extended centaurs are non-resonant objects whose closest approach to the Sun is less than the semi-major axis of Neptune (~30 AU) at any time during the simulation. But since creating the category the Minor Planet Center has combined [https://minorplanetcenter.net//iau/lists/Centaurs.html Centaurs and Scattered-Disk Objects] into a single generic list making the category much less Wikipedia-friendly. Changing it to "Trans-Neptunian centaurs" might make more sense for people taking a quick glance at a category. This category (the semantics) has driven me crazy for 5 years. -- Kheider (talk) 16:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I took more than a quick glance: I read the page history and the talk page, and there was no indication of any discussion anywhere. It would have helped if some clues had at least been left in edit summaries. I only noticed the discussion on your user talk page when I went to give specific notice of this nomination to editors who had worked on the category page. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Based on the above comments, it seems that the intersection between centaurs and Trans-Neptunian objects is not a clearly recognized class of objects. If that is correct, then merge the category to its parents :Category:Centaurs (minor planets) and :Category:Trans-Neptunian objects. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:36, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • I do not object to merger, but the Centaurs target should not be that one but the astronomy category (nominated below). I have not looked into whether the member pages also necessarily belong within :Category:Damocloids; Kheider, please advise. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, I have fixed the merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Most of the ext-centaurs are already listed under damocloids so I do not see a need to merge the remaining ones. Merging them to Centaurs (minor planets) and Trans-Neptunian objects seem like a good idea. I have not messed with damocloids in about 3 years because I was hoping for a more Wikipedia friendly definition to develop. -- Kheider (talk) 01:41, 30 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Centaurs (minor planets) ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:05, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Centaurs (minor planets) to :Category:Centaurs (small Solar System bodies)

:Nominator's rationale: Rename, corresponding to centaur (small Solar System body). This could be nominated speedily, WP:C2D, but I am listing it on this page for completeness along with two of its sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 23:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Rename to match main article to ease navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Speedy per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:06, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom to match main article to ease navigation. --Just N. (talk) 10:19, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Politicians from Hopkinton, Rhode Island ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:22, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politicians from Hopkinton, Rhode Island to :Category:People from Hopkinton, Rhode Island

:Nominator's rationale: Small community (Under 10,000) people with just four entries. In fact this subcategory has more entries than its parent. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 18:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge but do we need another target reflecting them being politicians? The two I looked at seemed not to need that. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge we do not need this type of category for 4 people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:30, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:20, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Pop-folk albums ==

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== Category:People from Moreau, New York ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:20, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Moreau, New York to :Category:People from Saratoga County, New York

:Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:08, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:: Definite maybe I’ll run a search to see how many other people might fit in this category. Peter Flass (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:: Approve After a search, I only found one other person. Peter Flass (talk) 16:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Merge for Now With no objection to recreating later if it ever gets up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge per all of the above. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Movie memes ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Movie memes}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category is somewhat misleading, as it doesn't contain memes themselves, but films or franchises that contain them. Brandmeistertalk 12:59, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete No conceptual objection to the topic, but this is false advertising. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per the above comments, and as being non-defining. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 17:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete The category includes the fims themselves, and not any memes. Dimadick (talk) 12:38, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:22, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Fiction about astronomical locations ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

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This nomination revisits Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_November_23#Category:Astronomical_locations_in_fiction, when :Category:Astronomical locations in fiction was renamed to :Category:Fiction about astronomical locations, and all its subcats likewise. A Speedy renomination was opposed partly on the grounds that the locations are the settings rather than the topics of the fiction concerned. This is therefore a combined nomination to deal with all the similar categories. – Fayenatic London 12:53, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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::* It may instead be CfD'd per WP:NONDEF. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

::** Perhaps a fresh speedy nomination would be appropriate, to also rename the parent :Category:Centaurs (minor planets).

::** IMHO deletion is not called for, as centaurs/minor planetoids are stated as the settings. – Fayenatic London 22:52, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

::::* A setting is not "about"; perhaps :Category:Fiction set on centaurs (small Solar System bodies) might work but only the last article of the four clearly qualifies for that. By the way, I oppose neither speedy decapitalization nor speedy alt disambiguation. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

::::** You make a good point, and I wonder if user:LaundryPizza03's group nomination at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_November_23#Category:Astronomical_locations_in_fiction should be revisited for further renaming along those lines. – Fayenatic London 10:51, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

::::*** You are right, in retrospect it should have been a split between "about" and "set" all the way. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:30, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

::::**** I expect "set on" would be sufficient in most cases. Mind you, for some locations, different wording would be needed; "set around" stars, "set in" galaxies?

::::**** As for the member pages, Destiny 2 has the centaur Nessus as one of 4 settings; the sequel presumably also uses it; The Ganymede Club mentions colonies on small planetoids; and as you say Pilot (short story) is fully set on Chiron. IMHO these are all good enough to stay in a "set on" category. – Fayenatic London 11:42, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

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{{ping|LaundryPizza03 |SMcCandlish}} pinging other participants in previous discussion. – Fayenatic London 18:52, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Support-ish per nom. I think this would be an improvement, but I think an even better one would be to upmerge these back to "Vega in fiction", etc. though the original mass rename was an improvement itself, over "Vega in fiction", etc.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC); revised:  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  • : 'Vega in fiction' suggests that it is fiction about Vega which is clearly not the case. Note that all of these are borderline WP:NONDEF cases anyway, there is hardly any reference to geography in this type of fiction and the main feature is that they are set in space. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:05, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • ::"Foo in fiction" just means that foo is mentioned or referenced there, not necessarily that it's about Foo. "In" has more general meaning, "about" is more specific. But I'm neutral here anyway. Brandmeistertalk 08:30, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • :::Right! And in the previous round there was a counter-argument of sorts that {{em|also}} militated against "{{var|Foo}} in fiction" for such cases: "There is precedent for renaming this type of category to prevent misuse for minor references." I.e., people will stick things in these categories if these astro-places were even passingly mentioned. So, while I think the proposal is a bit clearer and more narrowing than the current names, reverting to "in ficton" would be a mistake twice over (two different groups would misuse the category two different ways). Sorry I didn't think that through sufficiently on the first pass. I'll blame it on Xmas Eve. PS: I don't disagree with the point that some of these may be NONDEF, but we might have to approach this on a case-by-case basis when it comes to deletion.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:32, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Tentative support Makes sense to turn into setting categories. Though in some cases, the fiction concerns aliens from these locations. Should Canopus be disambiguated from fictional depictions of Canopus, Egypt? Dimadick (talk) 12:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:24, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Fiction about Earth ==

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:The result of the discussion was: do not rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 05:10, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fiction about Earth to :Category:UNKNOWN

:Nominator's rationale: This one is worth reconsidering separately. It includes subcats for each continent in fiction, along with other aspects. – Fayenatic London 13:16, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Comment :Category:Earth in fiction could be the target (in line with similar parent articles Mars in fiction, Mercury in fiction and Venus in fiction), but then for consistency the entire category tree up to :Category:Fiction about astronomical locations should be moved to "Foo in fiction" format (per :Category:Locations in fiction). Brandmeistertalk 14:46, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep for now, it contains subcategories like :Category:Africa in fiction which should be addressed before we change this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:17, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Keep as-is. As noted in the larger related CfR above, "{{var|Foo}} in fiction" as a category name for an astronomical body has a problem: one group of editors will think it means only fiction with that body as a central focus (which is also what the current name conveys), while another group will think it means any passing mention. As I said in the prevoius CfR on this stuff a month ago: "I'm not sure there is any utility at all in the one about Earth. That would seem (broadly interpreted anyway) to account for all fiction ever, that did not take place in outer space or in a fantasy alternative world. Even narrowly interpreted to require considerable treatment of Earth as an astronomical body, that would still include the vast majority of science fiction ever written, probably." That applies especially to "Category:Earth in fiction". I was originally arguing that it also applied to the current name, but this category has largely been repurposed to hold subcats like continent ones. While the above larger CfR makes great sense for most cases, it would fail badly for "Category:Fiction set on earth", which would be the ultimate case of what I was taking about in the old CfR.

    So, this is one case where our preference for consistent category names has to take an IAR/COMMONSENSE break and permit a divergence that will be too confusing if we do not. There's much precedent for this, e.g. when things have names like "English billiards", and we have :Category:Snooker players, and :Category:Pool players, and :Category:Carom billiards players, which have to diverge to :Category:Players of English billiards to avoid confusion with a "Category:Billiards players from England". There are many clarity exceptions like this. Earth, from a fiction-setting standpoint, is completely unlike all the other categories nominated above, because almost all fiction is set here.

    Side proposal: We could create an additional subcategory, to "net" a certain class of sci-fi, e.g. "Category:Earth as a astronomical body in fiction", or "Category:Fiction about Earth as an astronomical body", or something like that, then make :Category:Fiction about Earth a container category that must diffuse. I think this would take care of all of the "loose" articles presently in the category, except for a couple that already have another subcategory to go into (e.g. Earth-Two belongs in the subcat :Category:Counter-Earths, I would think).
     — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  16:51, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Universities by city and district in Sri Lanka ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

: Propose merging

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Batticaloa to :Category:Education in Batticaloa and :Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Jaffna to :Category:Education in Jaffna and :Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Kelaniya to :Category:Education in Kelaniya and :Category:Universities and colleges in Western Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Kuliyapitiya to :Category:Education in Kuliyapitiya and :Category:Universities and colleges in North Western Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Matara, Sri Lanka to :Category:Education in Matara, Sri Lanka and :Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Moratuwa to :Category:Education in Moratuwa and :Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Peradeniya to :Category:Education in Peradeniya and :Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Central Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte to :Category:Education in Sri Jayawardenepura Kotte and :Category:Universities and colleges in Colombo District

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Trincomalee to :Category:Education in Trincomalee and :Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Vavuniya to :Category:Education in Vavuniya and :Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Ampara District to :Category:Education in Ampara District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Batticaloa District to :Category:Education in Batticaloa District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Galle District to :Category:Education in Galle District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Gampaha District‎ to :Category:Education in Gampaha District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Western Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Jaffna District to :Category:Education in Jaffna District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Kandy District to :Category:Education in Kandy District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Central Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Kurunegala District to :Category:Education in Kurunegala District and :Category:Universities and colleges in North Western Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Matara District to :Category:Education in Matara District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Southern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Trincomalee District to :Category:Education in Trincomalee District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Eastern Province, Sri Lanka

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Vavuniya District to :Category:Education in Vavuniya District and :Category:Universities and colleges in Northern Province, Sri Lanka

: Propose deleting

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Lanka by city

:* :Category:Universities and colleges in Sri Lanka by district‎

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one or two universities / colleges in each of these cities / districts. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:* That is a fair point, I have added the provincial merge targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Support (with the provincial target). This is a clear case of over-diffusion, whose solutuon is upmerging. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:34, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Suicide by period ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

: Propose renaming

:* :Category:Suicide by period to :Category:Suicides by period

:* :Category:Suicide by decade to :Category:Suicides by decade

:* :Category:Suicide by year to :Category:Suicides by year

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1800s to :Category:1800s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1830s to :Category:1830s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1840s to :Category:1840s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1850s to :Category:1850s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1860s to :Category:1860s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1870s to :Category:1870s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1880s to :Category:1880s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1890s to :Category:1890s suicides

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:* :Category:Suicide in the 1900s to :Category:1900s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1910s to :Category:1910s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1920s to :Category:1920s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1930s to :Category:1930s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1940s to :Category:1940s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1950s to :Category:1950s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1960s to :Category:1960s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1970s to :Category:1970s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1980s to :Category:1980s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 1990s to :Category:1990s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 2000s to :Category:2000s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 2010s to :Category:2010s suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in the 2020s to :Category:2020s suicides

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:* :Category:Suicide in 1941 to :Category:1941 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1944 to :Category:1944 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1945 to :Category:1945 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1946 to :Category:1946 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1965 to :Category:1965 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1967 to :Category:1967 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1972 to :Category:1972 suicides

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:* :Category:Suicide in 1974 to :Category:1974 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1975 to :Category:1975 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1976 to :Category:1976 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1977 to :Category:1977 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1978 to :Category:1978 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1979 to :Category:1979 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1980 to :Category:1980 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1981 to :Category:1981 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1982 to :Category:1982 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1983 to :Category:1983 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1984 to :Category:1984 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1985 to :Category:1985 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1986 to :Category:1986 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1987 to :Category:1987 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1988 to :Category:1988 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1989 to :Category:1989 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1990 to :Category:1990 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1991 to :Category:1991 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1992 to :Category:1992 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1993 to :Category:1993 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1994 to :Category:1994 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1995 to :Category:1995 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1996 to :Category:1996 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1997 to :Category:1997 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1998 to :Category:1998 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 1999 to :Category:1999 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2000 to :Category:2000 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2001 to :Category:2001 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2002 to :Category:2002 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2003 to :Category:2003 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2004 to :Category:2004 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2005 to :Category:2005 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2006 to :Category:2006 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2007 to :Category:2007 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2008 to :Category:2008 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2009 to :Category:2009 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2010 to :Category:2010 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2011 to :Category:2011 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2012 to :Category:2012 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2013 to :Category:2013 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2014 to :Category:2014 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2015 to :Category:2015 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2016 to :Category:2016 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2017 to :Category:2017 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2018 to :Category:2018 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2019 to :Category:2019 suicides

:* :Category:Suicide in 2020 to :Category:2020 suicides

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:Nominator's rationale: rename, these are set categories, almost without exception they contain articles about individual suicides. Note that I created a few "older" (pre-1940 and 1950s) decade categories just now, but the larger part of the tree already existed. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Rename All Per WP:SETCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Rename — wow, that was a lot of work! But do we really need the "by decade" categories? Simpler to have "by year", then group the years into centuries, without the double tags on each article. Or we need to have better tagging instructions, so that they are only "by year" for larger categories or "by decade" for smaller ones, with both grouped into centuries.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:42, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:* That is food for a next discussion. I think at least we should diffuse all 20th century decade categories to years. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:19, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

::*Agree. I've started the diffusing from most recent decade (1970s).
William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:::*Done diffusing mixed decades/years 1940s–1970s by hand. All the years before that are in decades only, so no hand checking needed. Better to handle after the rename is completed.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

::::* Thanks! At second thought it may be too soon to diffuse the pre-1940 pre-1920 decade categories as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:18, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

:::::* Meanwhile I have diffused the 1930s and 1920s after all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Rename - I don't share the objection to 'decades' (which has been made successfully elsewhere); this, as a subcategory of {{cl|Deaths}}, should follow the (exemplary) structure of :Category:Deaths by period. Oculi (talk) 14:25, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Support Simpler titles tend to aid navigation. Dimadick (talk) 12:52, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Support per nom and commentary of Dimadick|. --Just N. (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:American scientists of Italian descent ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American scientists of Italian descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEGRS. I am quite skeptical that being "of Italian descent" is a WP:DEFINING feature of the American scientists in this category. AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 07:55, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Neutral. I am usually extremely sceptical towards intersections of ethnicity and occupation, but this one may actually pass the bar set in WP:OCEGRS. See e.g. [https://www.issnaf.org/about the "ISSNAF" website] for context. It is certainly more notable than most siblings in {{Cl|American people of Italian descent by occupation}} and {{Cl|American scientists by ethnic or national origin}}, a lot of which could be nominated for deletion. Place Clichy (talk) 10:02, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete — all those I've checked are at least 2nd generation (some more). ISSNAF is explicitly for 1st generation. Agree about those other categories, too.... But it is so easy to create these intersection categories, and so hard to delete them. A neverending process.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 21:11, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete as a trivial intersection category. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:40, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:32, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Musicians who committed suicide ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Musicians who committed suicide}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Musicians who committed suicide by nationality}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|American musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|Australian musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|British musicians who committed suicide}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|German musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|Japanese musicians who committed suicide}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|Russian musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|South Korean musicians who committed suicide}}

:*** Propose deleting {{lc|Swedish musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Classical musicians who committed suicide}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Composers who committed suicide‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Conductors (music) who committed suicide‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Jazz musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Rock musicians who committed suicide‎}}

:** Propose deleting {{lc|Singers who committed suicide‎}}

:Nominator's rationale: Trivial intersection. No notable WP:DEFINING link between the occupation and the manner of death, even though the death itself may have been notable.

:Note: Sources about the death of a person will often discuss both their occupation and their cause of death. This doesn't make this intersection any more notable than a combination with other aspects often discussed in such notices, such as their number of children. See previous:

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 November 29#Category:Chefs who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 12#Suicides by occupation

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 21#Category:Suicides by occupation

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Drivers who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Clergy who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 22#Category:Academics who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Students who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Royalty who committed suicide

:#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 December 23#Category:Models who committed suicide

:William Allen Simpson (talk) 04:34, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete We can categorize by each, but the intersection of the two does not seem defining. Generally, they are notable for being singers and, since they already have an article, their death is defining. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:10, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Comment: there's also a potential can of worms here... Nick Drake died from an overdose of prescription drugs, but the coroner was about the only person who believed it was a suicide, and not an accidental overdose. So to have a category explicitly stating that he died by suicide would not necessarily be correct... if kept, it should be xxxx musicians ruled to have died by suicide. Richard3120 (talk) 14:01, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

:*Splendid, by deleting we avoid cans of worms. Thanks.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:10, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

  • Keep I don't see this as trivial, and the sources cover it.Dimadick (talk) 12:55, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 10:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Double Cross ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:07, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Double Cross

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the White Double Cross‎

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Grand Officers of the Order of the White Double Cross

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Commanders of the Order of the White Double Cross

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)

:When foreign leaders visit Slovakia, or vice versa, the Order of the White Double Cross is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. Harald V of Norway, Margrethe II of Denmark, and Guillaume, Hereditary Grand Duke of Luxembourg, are not remotely defined by this award. (There are a handful of Slovak winners—1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6—but all of their articles mention the award in passing with other honours so it's not defining for them either.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Recipients of the Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Recipients of the Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD)

:The Prime Minister's Medal of Appreciation is an award that given by the Prime Minister of Jamaica that falls outside of the Jamaican Honours System. The PMs must be big fans of boxing since 3 of the 4 recipients here are professional boxers who are already under :Category:Jamaican boxers. Within the articles, 1 mentions this award in passing while 3 don't mention it at all so it doesn't seem defining. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:39, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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== Category:Fortified frontiers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Fortified frontiers to :Category:Border barriers

:Nominator's rationale: Identical scope for this category and its parent, as frontier is understood to mean border, and barrier implies some sort of fortification. What is a border barrier that is not fortified? Place Clichy (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

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