Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 October 31

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Any merger proposals should be considered in a subsequent nomination. MER-C 20:11, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) football

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) templates to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) templates

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football templates to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) football templates

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football standings templates to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) football standings templates

:* Propose renaming :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) standings templates to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) standings templates

:Nominator's rationale: Tri-State Conference (1960–1981) existed until 1981, not 1978. See [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/62143772/sioux-city-journal/ this 1981 article] among others. Note that the 1981 article here mistakenly identifies the conference's first year of competition as 1961–62. This [https://www.newspapers.com/clip/62278447/the-fairbury-daily-news/ 1960 article], among others, shows that the conference clearly existed in the fall of 1960. Jweiss11 (talk) 22:21, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 1 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support renames but all except :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football and :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football standings templates have too little content to be kept and should be merged. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:12, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Excellent point about merging. :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) football standings templates should be parented directly to :Category:Tri-State Conference (1960–1978) and all the intermediate categories then become empty and can be deleted. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

• Rename per nom To match the name of the main article. Dimadick (talk) 16:44, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:35, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Pwani Region, Tanzania to :Category:Pwani Region

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicate category Mike Peel (talk) 21:56, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Merging is not needed, the article is already in :Category:Bagamoyo District. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 12:18, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|WikiProject participants that don't want software updates}}

:Nominator's rationale: Originally created as request for a since-banned user not to contact you (note that the category is currently empty) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:05, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete as it is empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

:* :Category:Aquatics to :Category:Water sports

:* :Category:Aquatics by decade to :Category:Water sports by decade

:** :Category:1890s in aquatics to :Category:1890s in water sports

{{collapse top|13 more decade categories}}

:** :Category:1900s in aquatics to :Category:1900s in water sports

:** :Category:1910s in aquatics to :Category:1910s in water sports

:** :Category:1920s in aquatics to :Category:1920s in water sports

:** :Category:1930s in aquatics to :Category:1930s in water sports

:** :Category:1940s in aquatics to :Category:1940s in water sports

:** :Category:1950s in aquatics to :Category:1950s in water sports

:** :Category:1960s in aquatics to :Category:1960s in water sports

:** :Category:1970s in aquatics to :Category:1970s in water sports

:** :Category:1980s in aquatics to :Category:1980s in water sports

:** :Category:1990s in aquatics to :Category:1990s in water sports

:** :Category:2000s in aquatics to :Category:2000s in water sports

:** :Category:2010s in aquatics to :Category:2010s in water sports

:** :Category:2020s in aquatics to :Category:2020s in water sports

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:* :Category:Aquatics by year to :Category:Water sports by year

:** :Category:1896 in aquatics to :Category:1896 in water sports

{{collapse top|118 more year categories}}

:** :Category:1900 in aquatics to :Category:1900 in water sports

:** :Category:1904 in aquatics to :Category:1904 in water sports

:** :Category:1905 in aquatics to :Category:1905 in water sports

:** :Category:1906 in aquatics to :Category:1906 in water sports

:** :Category:1907 in aquatics to :Category:1907 in water sports

:** :Category:1908 in aquatics to :Category:1908 in water sports

:** :Category:1909 in aquatics to :Category:1909 in water sports

:** :Category:1910 in aquatics to :Category:1910 in water sports

:** :Category:1911 in aquatics to :Category:1911 in water sports

:** :Category:1912 in aquatics to :Category:1912 in water sports

:** :Category:1913 in aquatics to :Category:1913 in water sports

:** :Category:1914 in aquatics to :Category:1914 in water sports

:** :Category:1917 in aquatics to :Category:1917 in water sports

:** :Category:1918 in aquatics to :Category:1918 in water sports

:** :Category:1919 in aquatics to :Category:1919 in water sports

:** :Category:1920 in aquatics to :Category:1920 in water sports

:** :Category:1921 in aquatics to :Category:1921 in water sports

:** :Category:1922 in aquatics to :Category:1922 in water sports

:** :Category:1923 in aquatics to :Category:1923 in water sports

:** :Category:1924 in aquatics to :Category:1924 in water sports

:** :Category:1925 in aquatics to :Category:1925 in water sports

:** :Category:1926 in aquatics to :Category:1926 in water sports

:** :Category:1927 in aquatics to :Category:1927 in water sports

:** :Category:1928 in aquatics to :Category:1928 in water sports

:** :Category:1929 in aquatics to :Category:1929 in water sports

:** :Category:1930 in aquatics to :Category:1930 in water sports

:** :Category:1931 in aquatics to :Category:1931 in water sports

:** :Category:1932 in aquatics to :Category:1932 in water sports

:** :Category:1933 in aquatics to :Category:1933 in water sports

:** :Category:1934 in aquatics to :Category:1934 in water sports

:** :Category:1935 in aquatics to :Category:1935 in water sports

:** :Category:1936 in aquatics to :Category:1936 in water sports

:** :Category:1937 in aquatics to :Category:1937 in water sports

:** :Category:1938 in aquatics to :Category:1938 in water sports

:** :Category:1939 in aquatics to :Category:1939 in water sports

:** :Category:1940 in aquatics to :Category:1940 in water sports

:** :Category:1941 in aquatics to :Category:1941 in water sports

:** :Category:1942 in aquatics to :Category:1942 in water sports

:** :Category:1943 in aquatics to :Category:1943 in water sports

:** :Category:1944 in aquatics to :Category:1944 in water sports

:** :Category:1945 in aquatics to :Category:1945 in water sports

:** :Category:1946 in aquatics to :Category:1946 in water sports

:** :Category:1947 in aquatics to :Category:1947 in water sports

:** :Category:1948 in aquatics to :Category:1948 in water sports

:** :Category:1949 in aquatics to :Category:1949 in water sports

:** :Category:1950 in aquatics to :Category:1950 in water sports

:** :Category:1951 in aquatics to :Category:1951 in water sports

:** :Category:1952 in aquatics to :Category:1952 in water sports

:** :Category:1953 in aquatics to :Category:1953 in water sports

:** :Category:1954 in aquatics to :Category:1954 in water sports

:** :Category:1955 in aquatics to :Category:1955 in water sports

:** :Category:1956 in aquatics to :Category:1956 in water sports

:** :Category:1957 in aquatics to :Category:1957 in water sports

:** :Category:1958 in aquatics to :Category:1958 in water sports

:** :Category:1959 in aquatics to :Category:1959 in water sports

:** :Category:1960 in aquatics to :Category:1960 in water sports

:** :Category:1961 in aquatics to :Category:1961 in water sports

:** :Category:1962 in aquatics to :Category:1962 in water sports

:** :Category:1963 in aquatics to :Category:1963 in water sports

:** :Category:1964 in aquatics to :Category:1964 in water sports

:** :Category:1965 in aquatics to :Category:1965 in water sports

:** :Category:1966 in aquatics to :Category:1966 in water sports

:** :Category:1967 in aquatics to :Category:1967 in water sports

:** :Category:1968 in aquatics to :Category:1968 in water sports

:** :Category:1969 in aquatics to :Category:1969 in water sports

:** :Category:1970 in aquatics to :Category:1970 in water sports

:** :Category:1971 in aquatics to :Category:1971 in water sports

:** :Category:1972 in aquatics to :Category:1972 in water sports

:** :Category:1973 in aquatics to :Category:1973 in water sports

:** :Category:1974 in aquatics to :Category:1974 in water sports

:** :Category:1975 in aquatics to :Category:1975 in water sports

:** :Category:1976 in aquatics to :Category:1976 in water sports

:** :Category:1977 in aquatics to :Category:1977 in water sports

:** :Category:1978 in aquatics to :Category:1978 in water sports

:** :Category:1979 in aquatics to :Category:1979 in water sports

:** :Category:1980 in aquatics to :Category:1980 in water sports

:** :Category:1981 in aquatics to :Category:1981 in water sports

:** :Category:1982 in aquatics to :Category:1982 in water sports

:** :Category:1983 in aquatics to :Category:1983 in water sports

:** :Category:1984 in aquatics to :Category:1984 in water sports

:** :Category:1985 in aquatics to :Category:1985 in water sports

:** :Category:1986 in aquatics to :Category:1986 in water sports

:** :Category:1987 in aquatics to :Category:1987 in water sports

:** :Category:1988 in aquatics to :Category:1988 in water sports

:** :Category:1989 in aquatics to :Category:1989 in water sports

:** :Category:1990 in aquatics to :Category:1990 in water sports

:** :Category:1991 in aquatics to :Category:1991 in water sports

:** :Category:1992 in aquatics to :Category:1992 in water sports

:** :Category:1993 in aquatics to :Category:1993 in water sports

:** :Category:1994 in aquatics to :Category:1994 in water sports

:** :Category:1995 in aquatics to :Category:1995 in water sports

:** :Category:1996 in aquatics to :Category:1996 in water sports

:** :Category:1997 in aquatics to :Category:1997 in water sports

:** :Category:1998 in aquatics to :Category:1998 in water sports

:** :Category:1999 in aquatics to :Category:1999 in water sports

:** :Category:2000 in aquatics to :Category:2000 in water sports

:** :Category:2001 in aquatics to :Category:2001 in water sports

:** :Category:2002 in aquatics to :Category:2002 in water sports

:** :Category:2003 in aquatics to :Category:2003 in water sports

:** :Category:2004 in aquatics to :Category:2004 in water sports

:** :Category:2005 in aquatics to :Category:2005 in water sports

:** :Category:2006 in aquatics to :Category:2006 in water sports

:** :Category:2007 in aquatics to :Category:2007 in water sports

:** :Category:2008 in aquatics to :Category:2008 in water sports

:** :Category:2009 in aquatics to :Category:2009 in water sports

:** :Category:2010 in aquatics to :Category:2010 in water sports

:** :Category:2011 in aquatics to :Category:2011 in water sports

:** :Category:2012 in aquatics to :Category:2012 in water sports

:** :Category:2013 in aquatics to :Category:2013 in water sports

:** :Category:2014 in aquatics to :Category:2014 in water sports

:** :Category:2015 in aquatics to :Category:2015 in water sports

:** :Category:2016 in aquatics to :Category:2016 in water sports

:** :Category:2017 in aquatics to :Category:2017 in water sports

:** :Category:2018 in aquatics to :Category:2018 in water sports

:** :Category:2019 in aquatics to :Category:2019 in water sports

:** :Category:2020 in aquatics to :Category:2020 in water sports

:** :Category:2021 in aquatics to :Category:2021 in water sports

:** :Category:2022 in aquatics to :Category:2022 in water sports

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:Nominator's rationale: inclusivity and avoidance of ambiguity.

:The term "aquatics" is ambiguous: it may refer solely to sports conducted in the water, such as swimming or diving; but it may also include sports conducted on the water, such as canoeing, surfing and sailing. This ambiguity makes it unsuitable as a key word in categorisation.

:The by-year head articles such as 2019 in aquatic sports all use the inclusive meaning of "aquatics", so it seems most helpful for the categories to use the unambiguous term. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

• Rename somehow An alternative, closer to the present name, might be :Category:Aquatic sports. I find "aquatics" (without more) to be an obscure term. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:46, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
• Supercategorize to the nominator's proposed names. "aquatics" is what is governed by FINA (swimming and diving from shore into water; and waterpolo), who hold the World Aquatics Championship, and is a member federation of the IOC; and similar swimming/diving sports. Watersports also include sports that use powered implements, devices, and, vehicles -- 67.70.32.97 (talk) 10:29, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
• The problem with that is that as I explained in the nomination, "aquatics" is ambiguous. One meaning has a scope correlating with FINA ... but the other meaning is broader. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:19, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

• Support - :Category:Water sports is fully developed (eg :Category:Water sports by country) whereas :Category:Aquatics is not (and appears to be the same thing, more or less). Oculi (talk) 15:36, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Support per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:14, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 13:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Radio Free Roscoe}}

:Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a television series without the volume of spinoff content needed to warrant an eponymous category. The contents here include two standalone articles about individual episodes which have been put up for AFD as unsourced, a DVD box which has been put up for AFD as unsourced, a soundtrack album which has been put up for AFD as unsourced, and a navbox template which has been put up for TFD as it won't be necessary anymore once the unsourced cruft is deleted. All that's left otherwise is the eponym and its episode list, which already crosslink each other in body text and thus don't need a category to group two things together. As always, every TV show does not always automatically get one of these just because it exists. Bearcat (talk) 03:05, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

::Note that all of the stuff that got listed for AFD has now been deleted, so all that's left anymore is the head article, the episode list, and the navbox that's up for deletion at TFD as a navbox isn't necessary just to link the head article to the episode list. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2020 (UTC)

:::Followup #2, navbox now gone as well, so the eponym and the episode list are literally all that's left. Bearcat (talk) 17:44, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

• Delete as the category is almost empty now. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 13:28, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Azteca 7 affiliates to :Category:Azteca 7 transmitters

:* Propose renaming :Category:Las Estrellas affiliates to :Category:Las Estrellas transmitters

:Nominator's rationale: There's no affiliation when the network owns the transmitter/station directly *and* there are few to no deviations in programming—the case with the articles in these cats. Raymie (t • c) 05:40, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete; add :Category:Board wargames to article. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:22, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|3d gameplay wargames}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single-member category with unclear scope. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:19, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Question: shouldn't this be merged to :Category:Board wargames? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete, merging article as appropriate. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:13, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Whitesnake remix albums}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category only has one item, and there is no other category for heavy metal remix albums made by a single artist, let alone ones with only one item. JJPMaster (talk) 16:43, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

• Question: shouldn't it be merged to e.g. :Category:Hard rock remix albums? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Whitesnake albums. The album doesn't appear to be notable and can be redirected to Whitesnake discography#Extended plays or, with no reliable sourcing, outright deleted. In that case, it's not even worth categorizing just for existing. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:03, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete; upmerge contents. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:37, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|5 Plus}}

:Nominator's rationale: The category only contains one page and is therefore useless. Iaintfaking (talk) 10:01, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Speedy merge to parent categories per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:31, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. MER-C 20:00, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Twin people from Armenia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Totally unnecessary category. PepperBeast (talk) 02:52, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, this is part of :Category:Twin people by nationality. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose It's a well established set of categories, and being a twin is quite defining for many people. Rathfelder (talk) 21:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 01:15, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Reportedly haunted locations

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:::* Propose Deleting :Category:Reportedly haunted locations in the United States‎

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::* Propose Keeping :Category:Lists of reportedly haunted locations, but reparent under :Category:Paranormal places

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:RSCONTEXT, WP:PROMO, WP:OCVENUE and WP:SUBJECTIVECAT

:There are really three issues causing this tree to be non-defining:

:1. Halloween Articles: Many of the articles have reliable sources attesting to the hauntings. The problem is that those reliable sources are just kidding during last week of October: Whaley House cites a Time Magazine article from October 30, The Octagon House cites the Washington Post from October 24, Waitomo Caves Hotel cites Stuff from October 29, and St. Ignatius Hospital cites ABC News from October 26. Usually these are tongue-in-cheek stories from the events section covering local historic sites that may promote hay rides and haunted houses.

:2: Ghost Shows: There are several reality shows that tape an episode at different reportedly haunted locations, Ghost Hunters and Ghost Adventures being the most prominent. There are a subset of articles (examples: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5) that appear in this category solely because they were used as a venue on such a series.

:3: The Underlying Claim There are many people with a sincere belief in ghosts and the supernatural and those beliefs often include a lot of variables influencing the ability to interact with the spirt world: location, time of day or year, the skill of a person (intentionally or not) to channel or be a medium are often perceived factors. What might be obviously haunted to someone would seem perfectly mundane to someone else. In other words, the claim being made here is inherently subjective, which is tacitly acknowledged by naming the categories as "reportedly" haunted. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Background The category was renamed from :Category:Haunted houses in this 2011 nom and was unsucessfully proposed for a merger later in 2011. RevelationDirect (talk) 00:16, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
• Weak keep Being "haunted" is 100% a defining feature of several of these places. If there is a sufficient mass of "haunted" places to form a tree, that may be up to debate but the solution is to remove joke sources (objection 1). I'm not sure that I understand #3: some persons believe that the Holocaust never happened and some believe in angels, etc. The fact that someone does or does not have some belief doesn't stop us from having categories. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:57, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

:: Perhaps I explained #3 poorly. This category tree is based on verifiable "reports" of subjective beliefs; we can't verify the underlying claim that a place is actually haunted by reliable sources though. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Keep per Koafv. As to the points: (1) I don't understand - is it a thing in the US to have spoof articles about places before Hallowe'en? Certainly there would be articles about reputedly haunted places, given the season, but I don't understand why there would need to be spoof ones, given that there are enough places with that reputation seems unnecessary... and I've certainly never heard of it happening in this part of the world. Certainly the Waitomo Hotel reference is not to a spoof. The St. Ignatius Hospital article has several references to the reputed haunting, only one of which is in October. Ditto Whaley House. As you said - reliable sources. 2) Cause and effect. If a place is reputedly haunted, it is more likely to appear on the show- not the other way round. 3) The detectability or otherwise of purported ghosts is irrelevant - what's important is the reputation of the place as haunted. This argument is akin to saying we should delete t{{cl|Colors}} because some people are colourblind. Grutness...wha? 02:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strictly purge, then upmerge if small (e.g. up to 5 articles) - that would probably result in most of the categories being deleted. Most of the articles are about buildings, towns etc in which a reported haunting is just one of many attributes the place has (or just one of many events that have taken place there) (albeit the attribute/event that may be if most interest to some editors/readers). We don't categorize buildings, towns etc as crime locations, disaster locations etc.

:In an article such as Firmat the supposed haunting (that has a rational explanation) of one object has caused the categorization of a town. Presumably, if there was a more specific article (e.g. for the relevant suburb) the "haunted location" category would be removed from the town article - that's an indication that this isn't proper categorization.

:If any of the articles are really about a supposed ghost then they should be retitled (e.g. from "Foobar House" to "Foobar House ghost") and recategorized as such. DexDor ^(talk) 10:44, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Strictly purge and curate. RevelationDirect has got it right. A great many of these cats include articles with material cited to frivolous, poorly sourced, or fringe "ghost expert" sources. Some articles about locations are cited entirely to ghost enthusiast sources or TV shows. They are almost as bad as the "List of reportedly haunted locations in X" articles, which have devolved into a bulletin board for believers and a playground for creative trolls. Certainly they should be kept if they are legitimately notable in WP:FRIND sources. The problem is, every good-faith editor agrees we should keep these articles, but nobody actually wants to do the tedious work of keeping them free of crap. - LuckyLouie (talk) 15:54, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

• Abstain/Comment instead of Keep. These haunted location category lists by country are a valuable aid to journalists around the world looking for story leads, who can then contact the local or national skeptics group or university professor for an alternative explanation, so while the Wikipedia article itself might be currently lacking in sufficient skepticism, local print and TV reporters may attempt to balance it out for their audience to avoid taking a position. Not saying it always works that way, but it often does. 5Q5|^✉ 14:02, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

:: {{ping|5Q5}} To be clear, I proposed "keeping" :Category:Lists of reportedly haunted locations and have not nominated any of the list articles for deletion. Do you favor/oppose deleting the categories for individual building articles? RevelationDirect (talk) 19:36, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

::: On second thought, I've decided to abstain from this vote. Apparently there is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Reportedly_haunted_locations Category:Reportedly haunted locations] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Lists_of_reportedly_haunted_locations Category:Lists of reportedly haunted locations] and one might be a subcategory of the other or whatever. To be honest, this is a level of confusion that I'd rather not burden myself with right now trying to sort out. I'll leave it to your best judgment. My point in my voided Keep vote was to please remember the need for mainstream journalists to find story leads. Sometimes the resulting article can end up as skeptical reference for an otherwise weak article and the public might learn about a skeptics organization they could support because a spokesperson was interviewed. 5Q5|^✉ 15:35, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

::::There are many things that a journalist/researcher might be interested in (towns that have been flooded, houses affected by fire, places visited by King Foobar ...) and the category system isn't set up to provide lists like that (see e.g. WP:DNWAUC). In such cases the journalist is probably better off using Google (which, of course, includes wp articles in its trawl) than using wp categorization. DexDor ^(talk) 08:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

• Keep For many locations this is their main claim to fame. The categories are defining. Dimadick (talk) 19:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

::For a location "main claim to fame" isn't quite the same thing as being a defining characteristic. For example, many towns are famous worldwide because of a particular event (e.g. a disaster), but we don't categorize them for that; we just categorize them for being a town. 

::I've looked at quite a few of the articles in these categories and I dont think any of them mentioned being "reportedly haunted" in the 1st paragraph so I'm not sure they'd even meet the "main claim to fame" test. DexDor ^(talk) 08:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

• Delete purely subjective. Reported by whom? Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete entirely subjective designation, WP:NONDEF for most. (t · c) buidhe 23:49, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
• Delete, now a place being haunted is subjective, now there can't be provided any reliable sources that those would exist, I mean if is a traditional story it can be included in the article as long as that belief actually exist, but I don't see how those categories would fill many places in those countries, espically as those horror story can be made-on-the-place. Now this category is also wording it like this paranormal actually exist although there's not proof of it, it would be better to include all the places in the world and not influence the point that paranormal exist but rather to say that that place is said to be haunted. Editoneer (talk) 07:37, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
• Keep. Reliable sources can't report that a place is haunted, but they can report that it has the reputation of being haunted. If we needed reliable sources for the fact of the haunting, how would we even have an article on Ghosts? BD2412 T 05:10, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|BD2412}} You're description sounds exactly like WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. How is this different than categorizing by having reliable sources about restaurants having reputations for deliciousness and mountains having reputations for beauty? RevelationDirect (talk) 19:39, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

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