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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:31, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Wikipedians who spend way too much time editing Wikipedia}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not meaningfully different from :Category:Wikipedians with way too much time on their hands, which was deleted in 2017. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete.provides no information. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete not useful for colaboration. Also clearly arbitary.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Although as an involved party I should probably declare a COI. {{smiley|sarcastic}} Place Clichy (talk) 08:11, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Chapeau! to User:Place Clichy who outed himself as person concerned. --Just N. (talk) 13:27, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:30, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete :Category:Catfish the TV Show hosts
• Nominator's rationale This is a performer by performance category. We do not categorize people by each TV show they appear on. Down that road lies madness.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:55, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 10:06, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Holy catfish! --Just N. (talk) 13:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge, except do not merge :Category:People from Astakos. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:29, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Agrinio (municipality) to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Makryneia to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Paravola to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Stratos, Aetolia-Acarnania to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Thestieis to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Aktio-Vonitsa to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Anaktorio to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Medeon to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Palairos to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Amfilochia (municipality) to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Inachos, Aetolia-Acarnania to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Missolonghi (municipality) to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Aitoliko to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Nafpaktia to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Apodotia to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Platanos, Aetolia-Acarnania to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Pyllini to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Thermo to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Xiromero to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Astakos to :Category:People from Aetolia-Acarnania

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. This concerns categorization by 3rd and 4th level administrative divisions of Greece, leading to a endless series of single-article or few-article categories. The proposal is to merge all to 2nd level administrative division, except cities and larger towns, so in this case we keep subcategories for: Agrinio (59,000 people), Missolonghi (18,000 people), Nafpaktos (20.000 people) and Amfilochia (10.000 people). Marcocapelle (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment :Category:People from Astakos already has 5 articles, making it a viable category even without assuming future growth, and that's the threshold that we seem to have set. Apart from that, it is also a city with a long recorded history, as it was an ancient city-state, and its current low population (6.500 people in the area the category refers to) is a result of the rapid depopulation of Greece outside of the major cities of Athens and Thessaloniki that has been happening during the last decades. Again this shouldn't matter much as there are already enough member articles anyway, but I'm just pointing it out. --Antondimak (talk) 20:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Ok fair enough if other discussants want to keep this borderline smallcat case. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:15, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Merge Most for Now/Keep Atakos Most are small with little room for growth, but no objection to recreating any if they get up to 5+ articles.- RevelationDirect (talk) 01:36, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge Most for Now/Keep Atakos --Just N. (talk) 13:34, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:25, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Leaders in the Civilization series}}

:Nominator's rationale: I don't believe this category meets the requirements of WP:CATDEFINING. Sources do not commonly and routinely define these historical individuals as being leaders in a video game. DrKay (talk) 17:12, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete categorizing real people (and long standing literary figures, as in over millenia) by having appeared in a set of computer games that have existed for less than 30 years is not at all a case of a trait that is anyway defining for the people involved. I say this as a person who has played Civiliation II, Civiliation III, and Civiliation IV way too much (although I have not played it at all for 9 years or more). This is not defining to the people involved at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:27, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete. Also speaking as a fan since Civ I, this category clearly says something about the game but does not say anything about the leaders listed. This trivia could be a list, or a paragraph on the article about the game. Place Clichy (talk) 09:44, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• including it in the game article would be useful. in which one could show which game versions have which leaders. This is clearly not defining to the people involved.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:01, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete -- This is a sort of PERFCAT. No objection to a list in a main article if desired. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:03, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete This is ultimately a WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:12, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete -- This is a sort of PERFCAT. No objection to a list in a main article if desired. --Just N. (talk) 13:36, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:25, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Australia accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Australia}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Brazil accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Brazil}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Canada accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Canada}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Chile accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Chile}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of China accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of China}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Colombia accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Colombia}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Denmark accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Denmark}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Ecuador accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Ecuador}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of France accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of France}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Germany accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Germany}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of India accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of India}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Indonesia accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Indonesia}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Iran accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Iran}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Italy accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Italy}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Japan accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Japan}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Mexico accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Mexico}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of the Netherlands accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of the Netherlands}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of New Zealand accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of New Zealand}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Norway accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Norway}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Peru accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Peru}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Russia accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Russia}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of South Korea accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of South Korea}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Spain accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Spain}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Sweden accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Sweden}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Taiwan accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Taiwan}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Thailand accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Thailand}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Turkey accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Turkey}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of the United Kingdom accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of the United Kingdom}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of the United States accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of the United States}}

:* Propose renaming {{Cl|Airlines of Venezuela accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Venezuela}}

: Nominator's rationale: improve English, and follow the structure of both :Category:Airliner accidents and incidents by airline and :Category:Airlines of Australia etc. This follows a first discussion here. {{Ping|Good Olfactory|Marcocapelle|Carlossuarez46|Dimadick|Justus Nussbaum}} pinging participants. Place Clichy (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support Clearer sentence structure, and clearer scope. Dimadick (talk) 16:24, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose inasmuch as the preposition "by" is ungrammatical here (we don't say "There have been many incidents by this airline"), "involving" would be semantically better anyway but would make the category names unwieldy, and in any case the new names ought to use the plural "airlines".  Glenfarclas  (talk) 21:19, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

:*I think the "by" isn't a causation but an organization (such as writers by country, where countries don't cause writers). Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

::: Indeed, these are container categories for child categories about specific airlines, e.g. {{Cl|Qantas accidents and incidents}}: the proposed names use by airline, not by airlines. I did not create any of these categories. However, the current name is pretty ungrammatical too: Airlines of the United States accidents cannot be considered satisfactory. I am open to other suggestions if you have one. Place Clichy (talk) 23:40, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom, perhaps "by airline based in" would be even better - similar to "companies based in". Of course in this context "by" means split by, not caused by. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:50, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support clarity per nom. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:59, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support clarity nom. This sound more precise. Fixer88 (talk) 06:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support clarity per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:19, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{Cl|Airlines of Rhodesia accidents and incidents}} to {{Cl|Accidents and incidents by airline of Africa}} and {{Cl|Airlines of Rhodesia}}

: Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT just one subcategory for 1 airline and 1 accident in 1947. Unlikely to see significant expansion. No other country of Africa, or defunct country or colony has a subcategory at this level, and other accident categories for airlines of Africa are at the parent level. Place Clichy (talk) 16:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:17, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge Rathfelder (talk) 23:53, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:37, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder. There may be some MOS:DASH issues but consensus seems to be that it's a discussion for another time. bibliomaniac15 19:28, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kalgoorlie-Boulder to :Category:City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder

:Nominator's rationale: Bring in line with parent article City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder and other LGAs in :Category:Local government areas of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia (please note, all others in the region are Shires, see :Category:Local government areas of the Perth region of Western Australia for more appropriate examples). There currently isn't a Kalgoorlie-Boulder article, only a redirect, which points to Kalgoorlie, which in turn states (somewhat vaguely) "Kalgoorlie is a city in the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia. It is sometimes referred to as Kalgoorlie-Boulder". The official name is City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder, as per [https://www.ckb.wa.gov.au/ offical website]. Calistemon (talk) 12:41, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

::Just as a note, :Category:City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder is currently empty as I created it and then realised that :Category:Kalgoorlie-Boulder exists, at which point I stopped and initiated this discussion. Calistemon (talk) 12:44, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

:Support - it was a mess, this will help clean things up... JarrahTree 12:44, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 13:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Comment. I think the move of the article from City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder to City of Kalgoorlie–Boulder is an incorrect reading of MOS:DASH. If two place names have been combined into a new single-entity place name, a hyphen, not a dash, is appropriate: the manual of style says, "Generally, use a hyphen in compounded proper names of single entities." For example, it's Austria-Hungary, not "Austria–Hungary"; Winston-Salem, not "Winston–Salem". There's nothing on the city's official website that indicates that an endash is correct. In fact, it looks to me like that site uses a hyphen. I would support a rename to :Category:City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder and moving the article back to City of Kalgoorlie-Boulder. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 21:43, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Comment While I do believe you are correct with this, this issue goes beyond just one category in regards to WA LGAs. It would also affect the following:
• Shire of Serpentine–Jarrahdale & :Category:Shire of Serpentine-Jarrahdale, the [https://www.sjshire.wa.gov.au/contact-us.aspx official website] uses just a space for separation, Shire of Serpentine Jarrahdale
• Shire of Bridgetown–Greenbushes (no category yet), the [https://www.bridgetown.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses a hyphen, Shire of Bridgetown-Greenbushes
• Shire of Broomehill–Tambellup (:Category:Shire of Broomehill-Tambellup), the [https://www.shirebt.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses a hyphen, Shire of Broomehill-Tambellup
• Shire of Derby–West Kimberley (no category yet), the [https://www.sdwk.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses a slash, Shire of Derby/West Kimberley
• Shire of Wyndham–East Kimberley (no category yet), the [https://www.swek.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses just a space for separation, Shire of Wyndham East Kimberley
• Shire of Augusta–Margaret River (no category yet), the [https://www.amrshire.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses just a space for separation, Shire of Augusta Margaret River
• Shire of Wongan–Ballidu (no category yet), the [https://www.wongan.wa.gov.au/ official website] uses a hyphen, Shire of Wongan-Ballidu
• In none of those a dash seems to be used for separation. Calistemon (talk) 00:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Ah, I see – it's more of a widespread issue. In that case, we should probably rename the category as nominated and leave the article issues to be addressed together (I might do that). {{u|Calistemon}}, do you think there should be different approaches for shires verses cities? Is a shire more like the Minneapolis–St. Paul (endash) case, which is an exception to the rule? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:50, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• I'm no expert on WA Local Government Areas (LGA), but from my understanding, the difference is predominantly population based, with Shires having the lowest and Cities the most, and the Towns sitting in between. The double-barreled names probably came into existence through the mergers of certain LGAs. In principle, they are all equal, as far as I understand. I don't think it is quite like the Twin cities you mentioned above, which seem to be more of an informal arrangement created through natural growth. Calistemon (talk) 06:18, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Rename for now, per nom. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 02:52, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Rename I'm not wild about the main article but I'm !voting on an actual CFD nomination and a hypothetical WP:RM nom. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:38, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
• Rename for now, per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:38, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Also, categories were not tagged with :Template:Cfr.) Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 23:40, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on Belgian comics‎ to :Category:Television shows based on Belgian comics

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on works by Brian Michael Bendis‎ to :Category:Television shows based on works by Brian Michael Bendis‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on Brazilian comics‎ to :Category:Television shows based on Brazilian comics‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on French comics‎ to :Category:Television shows based on French comics

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on works by Neil Gaiman to :Category:Television shows based on works by Neil Gaiman

:* Propose renaming :Category:Television series based on Image Comics to :Category:Television shows based on Image Comics

:Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the parent category :Category:Television shows based on comics and the similarly named subcategories. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 21:14, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment, articles, insofar disambiguated, use "(TV series)", so this is a conflict between two forms of consistency. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
• There are some television-related categories that start with "Television series..." and others that start with "Television shows...", so there does seem to be a larger inconsistency. However, at least for this subset of cats, the majority use "Television shows based on..." so they should at least be made uniform, especially since that's how the parent cat is stylized. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 04:10, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
• Keep -- This is an ENGVAR issue, where the nom is attempting to impose American usage on Europe. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
• {{tq|the nom is attempting to impose American usage on Europe}} Where did you get that from? As stated, this is simply to harmonize all of the subcategories of :Category:Television shows based on comics, of which these are the only to use "series" over "show". It isn't helpful to have 6 be inconsistent. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 00:18, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support For consistency with the parent category. Dimadick (talk) 02:26, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose -- I'm not strictly against some renaming/unifying but the alternative solution with 'Television series' instead of 'Television shows' would be the better decision! --Just N. (talk) 17:30, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Comment- as we have :Category:Television series, subcat of :Category:Television shows, there is no reason why the above should not be put in :Category:Television series based on comics, subcat of :Category:Television shows based on comics. (A television show is not necessarily a series.) Oculi (talk) 13:09, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Okay, well there are 14 other subcategories of :Category:Television shows based on comics that already used "show". Whatever the outcome, I just feel all the subcategories should be similarly named for consistency. That's why I went with changing the 6 that were different, not the 14. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 16:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose - I have to agree with Oculi on this one. There are a number of shows I enjoy, which are indie animations (Hazbin Hotel, Helluva Boss, Long Gone Gulch) but due to the small number of episodes, they can hardly be called a series and would more squarely fall in the "shows" category. Historyday01 (talk) 18:24, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:18, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Logothetai ton oikeiakont}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unlikely redirect due to typo error Constantine ✍ 11:57, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete Typo in the title. Dimadick (talk) 16:25, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete Typo in the title. --Just N. (talk) 13:41, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Logothetes ton oikeiakontes}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unlikely redirect, latinization of a non-existent, ungrammatical Greek form Constantine ✍ 11:29, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 16:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:16, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Logothetes tou genikon}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unlikely redirect, latinization of a non-existent, ungrammatical Greek form Constantine ✍ 11:28, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom.--Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 16:49, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Just N. (talk) 13:42, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 19:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dial EV vehicles}}

:Nominator's rationale: The only contents are Dial EV and redirects that redirect there. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 00:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, this has no navigational benefit at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:20, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Just N. (talk) 13:43, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per points above. It can always be recreated if those redirects ever become articles. -2pou (talk) 17:57, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:15, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Falcon

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT-1, WP:OVERLAPCAT-2 and WP:OCAWARD-3 & 4)

:The Order of the White Falcon was an award that was given out by the German Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach in 4 classes.

::1: Foreign Leaders: When high ranking visitors came to the Grand Duchy, or vice versa, this was given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. King George V, Sultan Abdul Hamid II and Tsar Alexander II of Russia are not remotely defined by this award. The vast majority of the 200+ articles in this category were given for this reason.

::2: Local Royals: There are about 10 articles on local royalty, which is already well categorized under :Category:House of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. (Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4.)

::3: German Military Leaders: Around 15 prominent generals and admirals who have no shortage of medals and mention this award in passing. (Examples: 1, 2, 3, 4.)

::4: Civilians: There are only 3 of these I would have guessed the award would have been defining to them, but the articles don't treat it that way. (All 3, not just examples: 1, 2, 3.)

:There wasn't a list so I created a collapsible one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:22, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete a very clear case of overcat by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:30, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Asmodea Oaktree (talk) 16:55, 11 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and WP:OCAWARD. --Just N. (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:15, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Order of May

::* Propose Deleting/Listifying :Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of May

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)

:When foreign leaders and diplomats visit Argentina, or vice versa, the Order of May is given out as souvenir to commemorate the visit. US Admiral Vern Clark, Czechoslovak Foreign Minister Bohuslav Chňoupek and European Economic Community President Walter Hallstein are not remotely defined by this award. There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)

• Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:05, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:23, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete This is one of 36 award categories that List of titles and honours of Felipe VI of Spain is in. Down this road lies madness.John Pack Lambert (talk) 13:32, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and WP:OCAWARD. --Just N. (talk) 13:44, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

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