Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 January 24#Destroyed landmarks

= January 24 =

==Category:Male villains==

== Category:Scalar quantities ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Scalar physical quantities and :Category:Vector physical quantities. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:39, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Scalar quantities}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vector quantities}}

:Nominator's rationale: Moving articles from :Category:Physical quantities to these new categories loses the information that we are categorizing physical quantities. I propose either deleting the new categories and moving articles back to :Category:Physical quantities, or perhaps renaming the new categories to :Category:Scalar physical quantities and :Category:Vector physical quantities, if it's felt that there is actually a need to split up the parent category.

:Physical quantities are a specific thing. Not all scalar or vector quantities are physical quantities. If these categories are kept and the current names are retained, they should be moved out of :Category:Physical quantities and the latter category should be restored to the articles from which it has been removed. — Srleffler (talk) 16:46, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:Rename (speedy, because WP:C2E) to :Category:Scalar physical quantities and :Category:Vector physical quantities. These cats are already children of :Category:Physical quantities, so no information was lost. Undoing this significant intersection would also require upmerging into, e.g., :Category:Vectors (mathematics and physics). Finally, the List of physical quantities highlights scalar/vector as a fundamental property of such quantities. fgnievinski (talk) 02:23, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

:Rename like Fgnievinski proposed. --Just N. (talk) 21:46, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Dictionary of chemical formulas ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Dictionary of chemical formulas to :Category:Lists of chemical compounds

:Nominator's rationale: Rename according to contents. – Fayenatic London 14:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Political prisoners in Spain ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Political prisoners in Spain}}

:Nominator's rationale: None of the people in this category is a political prisoner. They are imprisoned after being convicted of sedition, embezzlement of public funds and/or disobedience of courts and not because of their political opinions. StellarHalo (talk) 12:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Support, the articles are already in :Category:Spanish politicians convicted of crimes. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete these people are inprisoned for clearly defined crimes, the name itself is inherently POV-pushing.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:54, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete political prisoners is a quality that is more subjectively than objectively defined. Such nuances can be handled in a sourced article but not in categories which are "in-or-out". Carlossuarez46 (talk) 21:04, 25 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete The category name does not reflect its content. Dimadick (talk) 17:47, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Yes, category name should reflect its content. --Just N. (talk) 21:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Container categories in Safavid Iran ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:36, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Culture of Safavid Iran to :Category:Safavid Iran

:* Propose deleting :Category:Military of Safavid Iran (the content is already in :Category:History of Safavid Iran)

:* Propose merging :Category:Safavid society to :Category:Safavid Iran

:* Propose deleting :Category:Deaths in the Safavid Empire (the content is already in :Category:People of Safavid Iran)

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant container categories with only one or two subcategories each. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Merge No conceptual objections to these categories but, at this point, they add layers without aiding navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:06, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Merge etc, but would plain "Iran" not be a better target? The country has existed as an entity (though with borders waxing and waning) since at least 1501. Peterkingiron (talk) 13:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

:* That is a fair question, but it would require a broader nomination to discuss that issue. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:White supremacist organized crime groups in the United States ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:White supremacist organized crime groups in the United States to :Category:White-supremacist organized crime groups in the United States

:Nominator's rationale: "White supremacist" is a compound adjective here, and it runs in my mind that we should be using a hyphen to make that clear. These crime groups are organized and embrace white supremacism, as we all know when we think about the phrase, but with a phrase five words long, it can be easy to mis-parse it initially as white groups that do something. Nyttend (talk) 11:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:* This is an odd rationale. :Category:Organized crime groups in the United States by ethnicity may well be a wrong parent category; Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Rename. Organized crime is one of these few areas where ethnic identity is often defining. Place Clichy (talk) 01:09, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • rename per nom. good argument. Hmains (talk) 01:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. I agree with Place Clichy that ethnic category is defining for criminals, but I feel thay a hyphen is needed here. Dimadick (talk) 17:49, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Rename, with a hyphen it is no longer an ethnic category, it becomes an ideological category, which is of course the intention of the category in the first place. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:08, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Rename per nom. --Just N. (talk) 21:51, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Education in smaller cities and towns in Sri Lanka ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:33, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Ambalangoda

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Bandarawela

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Chavakachcheri

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Dehiwala-Mount Lavinia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Elpitiya

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Galle

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:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Gampaha

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Hambantota

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Horana

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Kalutara

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Kandy

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Kilinochchi

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Kuliyapitiya

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Kurunegala

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Manipay

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Mannar, Sri Lanka

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Matale

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Matugama

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Mirigama

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Mullaitivu

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Negombo

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Panadura

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Peradeniya

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Point Pedro

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Ratnapura

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Tangalle

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Tellippalai

:* Propose deleting :Category:Education in Udupiddy

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:Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only a single subcategory for schools. There is no need to merge, the schools subcategories are already in the buildings and structures category of the city and in the schools subcategory of the district. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Delete for Now Right now this is just adding a layer for the school articles. No objection to recreating if other education articles ever materialize. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete I doubt these categories have scope for expansion. Dimadick (talk) 17:51, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Destroyed landmarks ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:29, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

: Propose merging:

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Afghanistan to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Afghanistan

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Azerbaijan to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Azerbaijan

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Canada to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Canada purge Ripple Rock

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in China to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in China

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Estonia to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Estonia

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in France to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in France

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Greece to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Greece

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Iran to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Iran

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Iraq to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Iraq

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in the Republic of Ireland to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in the Republic of Ireland

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in South Korea to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in South Korea

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Kosovo to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Kosovo

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Lebanon to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Lebanon

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Malta to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Malta purge Azure Window and Għar Qawqla

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in North Korea to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in North Korea

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in the Philippines to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in the Philippines

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Poland to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Poland

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Portugal to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Portugal

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Russia to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Russia

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Serbia to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Serbia purge Pine of Tsar Dušan

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Spain to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Spain purge El Dedo de Dios

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Sweden to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Sweden

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Syria to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Syria

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Turkey to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Turkey

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Ukraine to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Ukraine

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Yemen to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Yemen

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in the United States to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in the United States purge East Island, Hawaii, Eye of the Needle (Montana), Old Man of the Mountain and Saint Anthony Falls

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Alabama to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Alabama

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in California to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in California

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Louisiana to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Louisiana

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Michigan to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Michigan

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Mississippi to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Mississippi

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in New York (state) to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in New York (state)

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in New York City to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in New York City

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Ohio to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Ohio

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Oregon to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Oregon purge Duckbill (rock formation) and Jump-off Joe

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Pennsylvania to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Pennsylvania

:* :Category:Destroyed landmarks in Washington, D.C. to :Category:Demolished buildings and structures in Washington, D.C.

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT, nearly all of the articles are about buildings and structures. The ten articles that are an exception (i.e. not about buildings and structures) should be purged, they are already in :Category:Destroyed landforms or in :Category:Destroyed individual trees. This is follow-up on this discussion, this discussion and this discussion; {{ping|SportingFlyer|William Allen Simpson|Doncram|RevelationDirect|Place Clichy|Nigej}} pinging contributors to these discussions. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:15, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • At a brief glance, some of these don't appear to be landmarks, either. I looked at the Ohio entries, and three of them apparently never had any landmark status: Palace of the Fans, Gibson House (Cincinnati), and League Park (Cincinnati). Unless you're restricting the definition to officially designated landmarks, or unless you have some other clear definition, "landmark" is vague and ought to be avoided. Nyttend (talk) 11:38, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on the assurance that non-buildings etc are identified fully for purging, following my vote on UK case. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:44, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. In the absence of a unique definition for landmarks, these categories have been used indiscriminately with notable buildings. However the categories for notable buildings should be no other than the buildings and structures categories, because non-notable buildings do not have articles. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support — with thanks, among the most detailed and carefully selected nominations we've had in a long time.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:06, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support We've been consistently merging each country in seperate noms based on the subjectiveness of "landmark". Merging them all makes sense at this point. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:13, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support Per precedent in previous discussions. Dimadick (talk) 17:53, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Participants of the 2021 Capitol storming ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. This may become more amenable to categorization when the dust settles a bit more and we start to get criminal convictions. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Participants of the 2021 Capitol storming}}

:Nominator's rationale: Potential libel issues. Previously deleted in this CfD. AllegedlyHuman (talk) 04:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:* I have taken the liberty to merge the two nominations regarding the same category. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:48, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

::* I'd also like to make clear that I vote to keep this category. Some articles of the participants were clearly created in relation to the notability of this broader event, and they were kept as such. Love of Corey (talk) 06:40, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

  • Keep/Rename At some point, this won't be WP:TOOSOON. This has generally been added to the ledes of existing articles and, based on date of creation, a number of articles were created because of this event: Jake Angeli, Baked Alaska (activist), Derrick Evans (politician), Rick Saccone. I can't predict what someone will accomplish in the future, but it's hard to see those new articles ever not being defined by this event. By all means change the name to match the main article but, since most of these people admit they were there but claim their intents were peaceful, I don't know if if this is such a libel/BLP issue prior to any possible future criminal conviction. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:52, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:* That is a fair objection. While perhaps these new articles are a case of WP:TOOSOON, I will assume that they are kept for the time being. This means that my WP:NONDEF comment in the earlier discussion no longer holds and I need to withdraw my delete vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

::The claim is that the content in the article space has shifted since then and many participants are now admitting to being present, while denying more serious crimes. Those may not be persuasive arguments, but no is claiming the wording change makes the difference. RevelationDirect (talk) - 18:27, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:::That claim is not persuasive. Presence at the riot itself would not be a crime. Presence in a restricted area (that includes the steps and the works being built for the inauguration) is a crime. The article currently has 3 concurrent RFCs for Requested Move. This is a mess, and there's no good reason to bring that mess into the categories.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:::: One thing we agree is not reviving this every week in CFD! Now that we have more content, if the consensus is still to wait for criminal convictions so be it. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:42, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

:::::Also, my guess is that many of those stubs are likely to be deleted at AfD WP:1E. As we already have :Category:Prisoners and detainees of the United States federal government, there's simply no need for a temporary, constantly changing, more specific name.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:PSA Group people ==

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:The result of the discussion was: do nothing: discussion was corrupted. Articles were moved during the discussion, so a complete reassessment of the appropriateness of this category and related ones is needed. Good Ol’factory (talk) 00:51, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:PSA Group people to :Category:Stellantis people

:Nominator's rationale: To reflect the merger of PSA and FCA to form Stellantis. Ridwan97 (talk) 01:12, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

: For the record, nominator has moved Carlos Tavares to :Category:Stellantis just now. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • I'm confused about :Category:Peugeot people by Marcocapelle. If that's indeed factual, it should be chosen. --Just N. (talk) 21:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

::* I am confused too after most articles have been purged. The two remaining articles appear to belong in :Category:PSA Peugeot Citroen people so that it should become a rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:United Daughters of the Confederacy awards ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:27, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Upmerging :Category:United Daughters of the Confederacy awards to :Category:United Daughters of the Confederacy

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEFINING (WP:SMALLCAT)

:I have no conceptual objection to this category grouping awards by an organization but the only article is the Southern Cross of Honor. The United Daughters of the Confederacy article does not mention any other awards so I don't think there is any room for growth. No objection to recreating this later if I'm wrong and it ever gets up to 5+ articles though. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Alumni awards ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:25, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose Renaming :Category:Alumni awards to :Category:Awards honoring alumni

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:CATNAME and a loose reading of WP:C2C

:Just about every established university has a scholarship or other awards from alumni. In contrast, this category is for awards given to alumni. This rename is just meant to clarify the inclusion criteria by following the format of some of the other subcategories of :Category:Awards by type of recipient. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment some of these like the Yorke Prize are open to both current students at the graduate level, and former students at the graduate level.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:59, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

::Thanks. I double checked the contents and removed one that was for a "graduate", meaning a graduating senior not a an alumna. I left the Yorke prize but agree it's an edge case. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:47, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

  • Supportrenaming. --Just N. (talk) 22:01, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

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