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== Category:Francissca Peter ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Propose deleting {{lc|Francissca Peter}}

Nominator's rationale: With an already appropriate category for the the artist's albums and another for the covers of those albums (linked via the albums cat), this is an unnecessary eponymous category per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:30, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Voivodes and Kings of the Gypsies ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Per main article, King of the Gypsies. Super Ψ Dro 23:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Support -- Voivode is not an English word. I do not know if it is Romani, but I see no mention of it in main article. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:19, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Rename' per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:29, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Rename to match parent article --Lenticel (talk) 02:09, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

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==Category:Welsh people of African descent==

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== Category:Convert templates ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Template Convert. bibliomaniac15 04:04, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: The current name appears to be redundant to {{cl|Conversion templates}}; however, since it seems to refer to one specific template, I suggest renaming it to be singular, as already is the case with {{cl|Coord template}}. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

:::Rename into :Category:Template Convert I propose. Eponymous, and follows existing pattern. See also below. -DePiep (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Rename per nom. Oppose DePiep's suggested rename as having multiple namespace prefixes in a row feels clunky. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:50, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

:::Clunky indeed, I already noted. But the proposed name is not self-clarifying, and singular. IOW, only to understand when opening the page.

:::Incidentally, we recently had a TfD renaming into {{cl|Articles_using_Template:Track_gauge_with_unrecognized_input}}.

:::Just discovered: all subcategories use name "Template Convert ...". Eponymous. So I propose :Category:Template Convert (above). -DePiep (talk) 09:16, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

::::An alternative naming scheme would be the one used in {{cl|Cards subtemplates}}. ~~~~
User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 17:23, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

:::::Why? Nope. It's :Category:Template Convert or nothing else. -DePiep (talk) 19:18, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

:::::: Apologies, my brain somehow read a colon that wasn't there into your suggested rename. I now support renaming to :Category:Template Convert. Also, I've nominated :Category:Cards subtemplates for deletion on grounds unrelated to its name. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:50, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Comment What a mess! --Just N. (talk) 19:33, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

::No. This is what we call a discussion. The "D" in "XfD". -DePiep (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

::I understand the "two entries" are Ps {{tlf|Convert}} and {{tlf|Cvt}}. Indeed they are in parent {{cl|Conversion templates}} too, but that is no problem. Parent mentioning = templates that do actually convert; subcategory = templates directly related to {{tlf|Convert}} (not necessarily converting by themselves). IOW, this category is to give an overview of {{tlf|Convert}}-related templates, MOL like a help-page does. No reason to change that. The current subcategories present, {{cl|Convert by module documentation‎}}, {{cl|Subtemplates of Template Convert‎}} serve that same purpose (though the "Subtemplates of" could be upmerged without loss of info indeed). So apart from possibly Cat:Subtemplates of .., no upmerging to be done. (btw, to consider: check uc/lc in the subcat names). All this is more clear when WP:EPONYMOUS is considered applicable & applied. -DePiep (talk) 08:02, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Upmerge, or else rename to :Category:Template Convert per above discussion. Considering the limited amount of content in the category, upmerging would have my preference. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:1989 Tiananmen Square protests ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename, falls under the speedy criterion Ymblanter (talk) 07:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COMMONNAME consistency Amigao (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

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== Deaths from cardiovascular disease ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 13:41, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

::After closure I found that these had been previously deleted per consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 September 15#Cardiovascular disease deaths. – Fayenatic London 21:36, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Cardiovascular disease deaths by country

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:Nominator's rationale: delete, cardiovascular disease deaths are too common to be a defining characteristic. Comparable to deaths by heart failure, earlier deleted in this previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Delete all per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:47, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete per precedent. ~~~~
    User:1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk)     19:47, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete all per nom. --Just N. (talk) 19:34, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete all per precedent....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 13:48, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose Causes of death are always defining. :Category:Deaths_from_heart_failure should be recreated. Dimadick (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Delete all No, hell no, causes of death are not defining characteristics (unless it is a particularly uncommon one, in which case it might be the death itself which is notable). A defining characteristic, to take the example of Caravaggio, is something like "Italian", "Baroque", or "artist"; or "[Subject] was an [adjective] [noun]...". I don't think I've ever seen anybody being described as "X was a [Foolandian] [occupations] who died of [cardiovascular disease]. So no, this is just not defining. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 16:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

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== Unexplained deaths ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 05:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Unexplained deaths

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:* Propose deleting :Category:Unexplained deaths in the United Kingdom

:* Propose deleting :Category:Unexplained deaths in England

:* Propose deleting :Category:Unexplained deaths in London

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OCMISC, the articles have merely in common that the cause of death has not been specified. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

:* That is not the case with the current articles in the category. Perhaps some day a :Category:Open verdict deaths may be created, but with completely new content. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:03, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

  • Delete per above. The category tree does not exist apart from the one category for London with articles in it, and it shouldn't be created. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 04:10, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:Articles needing POV-check ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. – Fayenatic London 22:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

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Nominator's rationale: Per merge of Template:POV check to Template:POV. This needs a separate discussion rather than being an automatic action because the category is also populated by Template:Undue weight, Template:USgovtPOV, and a few other templates. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:56, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

:Merge per nom, helps with redundancy. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 23:19, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

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== Category:American women journalists ==

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. bibliomaniac15 04:03, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Nominator's rationale: We have a category of :Category:American male journalists, and it would seem more appropriate to use "female" as an adjective that modifies journalists if we're using "male" as an adjective to modify journalists in the parallel category. — Mikehawk10 (talk) 04:38, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

  • Oppose per :Category:Women writers, :Category:Women non-fiction writers, :Category:Women journalists, everything else in :Category:Women journalists by nationality etc etc. Oculi (talk) 10:51, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I would support changing them all to female but that would be a big job. Rathfelder (talk) 22:13, 12 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment I maybe would support changing them all to female but what a Himalaya of mannual work would that be. --Just N. (talk) 19:40, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  • And it would fail as 'women' is entirely dominant in :Category:Women by occupation. I have the impression that recent cfds have changed 'female' to 'women' rather than vice versa (eg musicians: 2021 August 22#Category:American female classical composers). Oculi (talk) 20:15, 13 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Oculi. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Oculi. This is an all too common confusion/conflation of sex and gender. "Female" is a sex and should properly only be used in biological/medical contexts. Intersection categories such as these "nationality/gender/occupation" should use "women" rather than "female". Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:55, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I agree with {{u|Dodger67}}. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/lady-woman-female-usage Webster's] says either is acceptable, but that from the advent of the 20th century, (note International Woman Suffrage Alliance, not International [Female] Suffrage Alliance) female was deemed to be a disparaging term and one that indicated weakness or inferiority.[https://www.dailywritingtips.com/female-or-woman/] But further, limiting a category to biological sex, rather than identity, just seems wrong. More reading on the topic[https://www.media-diversity.org/how-to-be-inclusive-and-grammatically-correct-a-guide-for-journalists-on-the-gender-beat/],[https://www.newyorker.com/culture/comma-queen/female-trouble-the-debate-over-woman-as-an-adjective] SusunW (talk) 22:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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