Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 June 12#Category:Kingdom of Denmark

= June 12 =

== Category:Exergames ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Exergames to :Category:Fitness games

:Nominator's rationale: Rename to match main article of fitness game. Axem Titanium (talk) 23:55, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

::*Support. More clear and corresponding to actual article. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:06, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

::*Speedy rename and close per WP:C2D. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ () 15:51, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:Literate American slaves ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. – Fayenatic London 21:05, 26 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Literate American slaves}}

:Nominator's rationale: A non-defining triple intersection of education level, nationality, and social status. User:Namiba 23:05, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

::*Delete. Non-defining, we don't have any category for "literate" people other than American slaves. Also, who decides if somebody is or was literate? Too vague. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:08, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

::*Rename. I believe the purpose of the category may have merit, a title like "American slave writers", "American freemen abolitionist writers" etc. I do agree with the concern that the triple intersection may be too much. LikeGrantTookRichmond (talk) 00:37, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Keep -- This category has a moderate population already. I would expect that literacy among slaves was relatively unusual, so that this is noteworthy. The unusual intersection is literate and slave. The parent is literacy. There might have been an intervening level for literate slaves, to be split by nationality. If not, kept rename to :Category:Literate slaves, which is certainly a notable intersection, but categories of this kind are commonly split by nationality. Peterkingiron (talk) 10:02, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Keep. That slaves were literate was unusual. That's why we don't have categories like "Literate pastors" or "Literate Bostonians". Many of these, but not all, wrote books. As for the evidence, the article on Denmark Vesey says he learned to read and write at an early age. That's enough for me. There is a reason -- evidence -- for including every name in the category. And note the fascinating -- to me -- subcategory "American slaves literate in Arabic". They didn't learn Arabic in the United States, so a conclusion cannot be avoided: literate Africans were being captured and sold. deisenbe (talk) 17:00, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete, most of these people were born in the latest period of slavery and notable (e.g. for writing) as free people. One may expect that many free people were literate. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Response. "Many free people were literate"? It was against the law to teach free Blacks to read in some Southern states. Free Blacks were not allowed to attend public schools in Indiana, and elsewhere. The schools for them, like the African Free School, you could count on one hand. deisenbe (talk) 08:31, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
  • In any case the combination of slavery and literacy is wrong for free people. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:23, 18 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment (voted above) -- If the category contains people who because literate after emancipation, they do not belong in the category, but possibly to a sibling category. We are talking about literate slaves; surely a rare achievement. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:36, 19 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Keep A rare trait in a society that systematically banned literacy. Dimadick (talk) 13:35, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete if they were writers (like Frederick Douglass) than they would go in a writer category. If there being able to read was not defining to their life, than we should not categorize by it. Not every thing that can be mentioned in an article is worth creating a category of, and I do not think this is worth creating a seperate category for.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:19th-century male conductors (music) ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:19th-century conductors (music) and :Category:19th-century male musicians. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:19th-century male conductors (music) to :Category:19th-century conductors (music)

:Nominator's rationale: Looking at the parent category, there are simply not enough articles which fall in one but not the other to justify two separate categories (I count barely half-a-dozen: 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; 7). It thus makes very little if any sense to have two categories, which are both included on nearly all affected articles, but which are in effect redundant. Thus we should get rid of this per WP:OVERLAPCAT and merge back the few entries that are not in the parent. The other solution, which would be to separate the parent by gender; would fall afoul of WP:SMALLCAT as the category for women would only have very few entries with very little potential for growth. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 20:02, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

:* {{ping|Fayenatic london}} I have no objection to that in principle, but in practice many article are already (or belong) in a by-nationality subcategory of it, so then it should be handled manually. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 21 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:11th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in Germany ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge. – Fayenatic London 23:28, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:11th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in Germany to :Category:11th-century Roman Catholic archbishops in the Holy Roman Empire

:Nominator's rationale: Germany did not exist as a state in the 11th century. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:50, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

  • Support, Germany used to be a short-living Carolingian kingdom, meanwhile incorporated in the Holy Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support -- This follows recent precedent. Peterkingiron (talk) 09:49, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

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==Category:French mission settlements in North America==

== Category:Kingdom of Denmark ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kingdom of Denmark to :Category:Danish Realm

:Nominator's rationale: While this is C2D, I'd like to see if there are arguments against moving it to match the main article Danish Realm (which Kingdom of Denmark redirects to). Gonnym (talk) 14:03, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:Binhai Mass Transit ==

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:The result of the discussion was: soft merge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:34, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Binhai Mass Transit to :Category:Tianjin Metro

:Nominator's rationale: companies merged in 2017 ZandDev (msg) 13:48, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Azerbaijani descent ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge excluding Armenian and Georgian. – Fayenatic London 06:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Armenian Azerbaijanis to :Category:Armenian people of Azerbaijani descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Belarusian Azerbaijanis to :Category:Belarusian people of Azerbaijani descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Georgian Azerbaijanis to :Category:Georgian people of Azerbaijani descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Turkmenistani Azerbaijanis to :Category:Turkmenistan people of Azerbaijani descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Ukrainian Azerbaijanis to :Category:Ukrainian people of Azerbaijani descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Uzbekistani Azerbaijanis to :Category:Uzbekistani people of Azerbaijani descent

:Nominator's rationale: merge and remove headers, according to the headers the nominated categories are used for full Azerbaijani descent while the target categories are supposedly for people of partial Azerbaijani descent. But nowhere else we have a distinction between full and partial descent. The distinction would not make much sense either, ultimately all descent is partial. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:43, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

  • General support -- These dual ethnic categories were changed to the format proposed, but are we sure that the first does not have any :Category:Azerbaijani people of Armenian descent? Furthermore, in this part of the world, these are often not emigrant communities but indigenous ones of a different ethnicity (or religion). Peterkingiron (talk) 15:04, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

:* With respect to the latter, that is exactly the reason why :Category:Iranian Azerbaijanis has been kept out in this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:02, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Oppose the change regarding Armenian Azerbaijanis and Georgian Azerbaijanis as both Georgia and Armenia have indigenous Azerbaijani populations. Neutral on the rest. (t · c) buidhe 01:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

:* I removed those two from the merge nominations. But the headers of the category pages should still be changed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:11, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment The big question is going to be if an Zerbaijani person moved or was born in the Ukrainian SSR in 1027 and died in 1989, would they fit as :Category:Ukrainian Azerbaijanis, or do we limit these categories to people who did signifcant things after 1991, and so they would go in :Category:Soviet Azerbaijanis? If you think my hypothetical person could go in any of these categories if they lived in the applicable place in the applicable time, than we should keep these categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:* I do not understand the example. :Category:Soviet Azerbaijani people may refer either to the people of the Soviet Republic of Azerbaijan or to ethnic Azerbaijani in the Soviet era, that is not clear at all due to the overlap. The far majority in Azerbaijan are ethnic Azerbaijani. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

::* Only after the pogroms drove out the Armenians in the aftermath of the fall of the Soviet Union. You are trying to impose a system developed for European ethnic groups that had migrated to the Americas on the Caucuses, and it just does not work the same way in that situation. You are also ignoring what I actually said. A Ukrainian Azerbaijani who dies in 1989 would have never lived in a seperate nation than where he lived. The current categories are much better for the things than what you are proposing to change it to.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2022 (UTC)

  • Opposee Since for various reasons people are going to apply these categories during times when all these places were all part of one nation-state, the people cannot be emigrants or expatriates so these are legitimate ways to describe such people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

:* Whether you like it or not (you obviously do not and I can understand that), the descent categories are used for exactly the same purpose. A fork is not helpful here. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

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  • Comment in the Caucasus, ethnicity and nationality is complicated. We had a series of noms some years ago which changed most to the target format. I do not think that whether a person is wholly or half or quarter of an ethnicity makes a difference, as a person can have multiple descent categories, but we need to be careful that we do not imply that a person came from a current country where neither he nor any ancestor lived (which can apply to Armenians) I am not sure how far it applies to Azeris. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

:* The latter is an issue of purging, that can be done irrespective of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 28 May 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:Podcast miniseries ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete - jc37 10:12, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Podcast miniseries to :Category:Miniseries podcasts

:Nominator's rationale: Every other category in :Category:Podcasts by format and :Category:Podcasts by genre uses the format " podcasts". TipsyElephant (talk) 13:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

  • Comment: Unsure at the moment, but I will say that the term "miniseries" would fall more in line with an intended publication/release method than a format of the show content itself. E.g. :Category:Television miniseries could refer to a documentary series, a scripted series, an investigative report. I'm unsure about the inclusion criteria as well. Is there a threshold number of episodes that pushes a show from a regular podcast into a mini? Do the shows typically identify themselves as limited/mini? With television limited/miniseries and :Category:Comic book limited series, they are typically advertised as such. -2pou (talk) 17:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

:*{{re|2pou}} I put :Category:Podcast miniseries within :Category:Podcasts by format because it seemed more like a format than a genre. We could potentially create another parent category called :Category:Podcasts by release type, but I think for now that might be excessive because I can't think of many other release types. Maybe :Category:Weekly podcasts, :Category:Monthly podcasts, :Category:Single release date podcasts, or something along those lines, but again that seems potentially excessive? As far as the criteria goes, I generally feel comfortable including things in categories if I can find reliable secondary sources that refer to them as such or if I'm certain they would meet the definition of the category. In this case, I would include a podcast in the category if the podcast had a planned start and end date (not because the show was unexpectedly cut short) with roughly a dozen episodes that make up a single season (maybe more if reliable secondary sources still refer to it as a miniseries). For instance, Floodlines has eight episodes in one season, S-Town has seven episodes in one season, Timber Wars has twelve episodes in one season, The Realness (podcast) has six episodes in one season, and Boomtown (podcast) has twelve episodes in one season. There are sources that use the terms "miniseries podcasts" and "limited series podcasts", but as usual the sourcing for podcast related topics are sparse. For instance, the Webby Awards has a category for best limited series podcasts and the Ambies at least acknowledges the existence of miniseries podcasts in their rules.{{Cite web |title=Best Limited Series Podcasts |url=http://winners.webbyawards.com/winners/podcasts/features/best-limited-series |access-date= |website=Webby Awards |language=}}{{Cite web |title=Rules and Timeline |url=https://www.ambies.com/rules |access-date= |website=Ambies |language= |quote=Any ongoing podcast can enter, and any miniseries podcast can enter so long as they published episodes in 2021.}} Discover Pods, ScreenRant, and Image.ie have all published listicles of podcast miniseries or limited series.{{Cite web |last=Aldrich |first=Ryland |date=January 14, 2019 |title=Top 10 Limited Series Documentary Podcasts of 2018 |url=https://discoverpods.com/limited-series-documentary-podcasts-2018/ |access-date= |website=Discover Pods |language=}}{{Cite web |last=Hicks |first=Linden |date=May 6, 2022 |title=The 10 Best Podcast Miniseries, According To Reddit |url=https://screenrant.com/best-podcast-miniseries-according-to-reddit/ |access-date= |website=ScreenRant |language=}}{{Cite web |last=Heskin |first=Lauren |date=March 7, 2021 |title=5 great non-fiction podcast miniseries (that aren’t news or true crime) |url=https://www.image.ie/living/5-non-fiction-podcast-miniseries-to-get-stuck-into-that-arent-news-or-true-crime-220303 |access-date= |website=IMAGE.ie |language=}} The podcast platforms Player.fm and Podyssey.fm both have categories for limited series podcasts and there are more platforms with lists like these, but I'm unsure whether they are user-generated.{{Cite web |last= |first= |title=Limited Series Podcasts |url=https://player.fm/podcasts/Limited-Series |access-date= |website=Player.fm |language=}}{{Cite web |title=The 8 Best Limited Series True Crime Podcasts |url=https://podyssey.fm/curated-podcasts/id6014-best-limited-series-true-crime-podcasts |access-date= |website=Podyssey.fm |language=}} I'm sure there are some more sources out there, but this is what I've found so far and I think it's enough to warrant a category. As far as the naming convention goes, I would expect the category to follow the same conventions as the rest of the podcast specific categories. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:59, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

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:*It appears that podcasts can also contain miniseries, which makes this confusing. For instance, Dissect (podcast) has done three miniseries in addition to the regular podcast. Similarly, the sources I've already cited point to specific seasons of podcasts as miniseries, such as season 3 of 30 for 30, season 2 of Headlong, and season 2 and 3 of Slow Burn (podcast), and a five episode run by You're Wrong About. I suppose we could restrict inclusion to the category based on whether the podcast in its entirety is a miniseries and if a podcast's miniseries were to ever become notable spin it out into a separate page that can be included in the category. Or we just include any podcast containing a miniseries, but that sounds like it would get messy really quick. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:13, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

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  • Delete, not a defining characteristic of the podcasts in this category. The term "miniseries" hardly ever occurs in the articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:59, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per Marcocapelle. JBchrch talk 14:48, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Delete per Marcocapelle. ― Qwerfjkltalk 20:52, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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== Category:Lists of goals scored by nation-leading international footballers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Lists of association football international goals by player. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:54, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Lists of goals scored by nation-leading international footballers to :Category:Lists of international goals by association footballer

:Nominator's rationale: Multiple:

  1. specify association football; other codes of international football exist in which goals are scored
  2. not restricted to "nation-leading" e.g. List of international goals scored by Bobby Charlton has been surpassed by List of international goals scored by Wayne Rooney
  3. Matches name format of relevant articles
  4. Standard naming for :Category:Categories by parameter puts the parameter in singular not plural

I could live with :Category:Lists of association football international goals by player instead; it's is a little easier to parse but rather verbose. jnestorius(talk) 10:33, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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==Category:Cultural depictions of people==

== Category:Newspapers published in Francistown ==

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:The result of the discussion was: speedy merge WP:G7. – Fayenatic London 17:17, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Francistown to :Category:Newspapers published in Botswana and :Category:Francistown

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

::Yes, I think this makes sense. Please go ahead. Ethan (talk) 18:15, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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== Newspapers by city ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:58, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Austria by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Austria and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Botswana by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Botswana and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in the Czech Republic by city to :Category:Newspapers published in the Czech Republic and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Finland by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Finland and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Hungary by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Hungary and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Iran by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Iran and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Japan by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Japan and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Mexico by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Mexico and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Norway by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Norway and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in the Philippines by city to :Category:Newspapers published in the Philippines and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Poland by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Poland and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Portugal by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Portugal and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Russia by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Russia and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in South Korea by city to :Category:Newspapers published in South Korea and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Spain by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Spain and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Sweden by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Sweden and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in Turkey by city to :Category:Newspapers published in Turkey and :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Newspapers published in the United Kingdom by city to :Category:Newspapers by city‎

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one or two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:21, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

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