Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 17#Category:Polish pilots

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: rename per nomination, but delete the Russian category for the reasons stated. The short names are not an aberration, see e.g. the parents for Ismailis within :Category:Ismailis by nationality. There were other piecemeal suggestions which did not gain explicit support; these may be brought back in follow-up nominations, e.g. a "descent" category might fit better in :Category:Argentine people of Arab descent, but there is not a sufficiently clear consensus to introduce varied names based on this discussion. – Fayenatic London 13:02, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

• Propose renaming most or all subcategories (main category is fine)
• :Category:Druze people of American nationality to :Category:American Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Argentine nationality to :Category:Argentine Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Egyptian nationality to :Category:Egyptian Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Israeli nationality to :Category:Israeli Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Jordanian nationality to :Category:Jordanian Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Lebanese nationality to :Category:Lebanese Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Lebanese nationality by family to :Category:Lebanese Druze families
• :Category:Druze people of Russian nationality to :Category:Russian Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Syrian nationality to :Category:Syrian Druze
• :Category:Druze people of Venezuelan nationality to :Category:Venezuelan Druze

Nominator's rationale: This would be more consistent with categorization of people by ethnic/religious group, and less clunky. --Qualiesin (talk) 04:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• {{ping|Qualiesin}} the category pages need to be tagged. I have done the first one for you as an example. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
• Partial support, "of nationality" is unnecessary clunky indeed. I am less sure if we should remove "people". Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

:Support better alignment with other religion categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 12:23, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

• Rename -- The Druze are a Middle Eastern religious group, in Lebanon and perhaps neighbouring countries. In those parts such religious communities seem to be largely endogamous, so that they are effectively quasi-ethnic: compare Assyrians, Armenians, etc. There is a longstanding precedent that such categories are renamed to :Category:American people of Druze descent, etc. This was done (as renames) for all nationalities, except American about a decade ago. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
• :Support this suggestion. Druze are actually more endogamous than either Assyrians or Armenians (many Middle Eastern Christians freely intermarry with other Christians, but Druze do not since they only count someone with two Druze parents as Druze). (t · c) buidhe 05:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: A different set of rename targets was also suggested.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 02:21, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose alt rename (adding "descent"), that would completely change the scope of the categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:54, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
• Reviewing my suggestion -- Syrian, Israeli, and Lebanese should probably be renamed as nom, because they are in or close to there homeland. The two Egyptian people are/were emigrants from Lebanon, so that Druze descent might be appropriate, but :Category:Druze immigrants to Egypt might be better. The Argentine and Venezuelan people seem to have been born in those countries, so that descent is entirely appropriate, and one has converted to be a Catholic. Some of the Americans might be better in :Category:Druze immigrants to United States. The Russian category relates to an Israeli Druze who trained in USSR and took nationality there but is back in Israel - probably delete as SMALLCAT. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:32, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 10:08, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

:* The Argentine and Venezuelan people already are in a Lebanese descent category, that should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:17, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.