Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 21

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Gong players}}

:Nominator's rationale: Way too specific of a category; one who's members all fit :Category:Percussionists already. No one in the world classifies themselves as a "gong player". Why? I Ask (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Delete. Some e.g. Airto Moreira#Instruments list various percussion instruments that they have played, but they do not need to be categorised by each of them – indeed, that would be WP:OCAT. Most do not mention gongs in the article, so playing gongs is not WP:DEFINING. All have better categories as percussionists, so no merge is needed. :Category:Triangle players must be similarly undeserving of a category; nominator, do you want to add it to this nomination? – Fayenatic London 21:34, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
• :I have removed that listing from Moreira. If you're a percussionist, it's expected that you will play common percussion, so the list means nothing. (All other pages should follow suit if they have that). For whatever reason, I wouldn't doubt someone would want to keep the triangle category, so I'll make that a separate discussion. There are some categories that could potentially be added though, if you look at the subcats for :Category:Percussionists (e.g., glockenspiel players, güira players, güiro players, tubular bells players). I do think a case could be made for keeping castanets and tambourine, and maracas, though. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:01, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

::I have never seen a güirero playing tambora or congas. --Opus88888 (talk) 17:52, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

:::Half the people in the category are known best for playing congas. Why? I Ask (talk) 13:34, 24 September 2022 (UTC)

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFBk1wF5MI0

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|End of World Music}}

:Nominator's rationale: "End of World Music" is not a widely recognized music genre and the term does not appear in the articles for the artists in this category. The common element of these artists is that most (not all, see Raven Chacon) are signed to the Stone Tapes label or its parent label Joyful Noise Recordings. Alternatives to deletion would be to create :Category:Stone Tapes artists and selectively add artists there or delete and use only :Category:Joyful Noise Recordings artists where it's relevant. Pichpich (talk) 20:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support Deleting: Looking up "End of World Music" on Google only brought up this category. I'm fairly certain it's not a suitable category. Why? I Ask (talk) 23:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support deletion, I can only find a few mentions online of "end of world music"; this categorization might refer to that, or to "end of world music". Either way, none of the articles mentions it, and per nomination it's not a widely recognised musical genre. Storchy (talk) 07:44, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete Category with unclear scope and no suitable merge target. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:40, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
• Delete not a verifiable thing. Jontesta (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename. Merge first two as per nom, and rename :Category:Persepam to :Category:Persepam Madura Utama (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:37, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging and redirecting {{lc|Madura}} to {{lc|Madura Island}}

:* Propose merging and redirecting {{lc|People from Madura}} to {{lc|People from Madura Island}}

:* Propose merging and deleting {{lc|Persepam}} to {{lc|Madura Island}}

:Nominator's rationale: What is this category for??? Madura is an island, not any other administrative division (not a province or otherwise). We already have :Category:Madura Island, so this category is not needed as far as I can tell and can be redirected, just like at [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Madura Commons]. P 1 9 9  ✉ 14:54, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

• Merge and redirect. Good catch! This is categorised in Provinces of Indonesia, but is not one. I have added its sub-cats to the nomination. – Fayenatic London 15:43, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:21, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose merging of {{cat|Persepam}} and instead rename to {{cat|Persepam Madura Utama}} to match the parent article name at Persepam Madura Utama per CFDS C2D. I have expanded the category and it is worth keeping. GiantSnowman 18:23, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
• {{ping|GiantSnowman}} it currently contains a team, their logo file, a stadium, and a sub-cat for players of a different team (which has its own category, {{c|Madura United F.C.}}). If the sub-cat was for players of this team I would have ignored it, but I don't see that a category is justified for 2 articles and 1 image file. – Fayenatic London 13:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
• :The correct player category looks to be {{cat|Persepam Pamekasan players}} (as Persepam Pamekasan redirects to Persepam Madura Utama); that category should be CFDSed and {{cat|Persepam Pamekasan}} should be merged with this? GiantSnowman 07:03, 22 September 2022 (UTC)
• Comment -- I note that Madura is a redirect to Madura Island, but that article frequently refers to it merely as Madura. Is there a case for renaming the article and reverse merging? Peterkingiron (talk) 12:04, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Not opposed to reverse merging, if that makes the most sense. But if there is no strong reason for it, then it will be better that the categories match the article naming conventions. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 15:11, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

:** Madura does have other meanings – see Madura (disambiguation). It is best to disambiguate the category. – Fayenatic London 13:05, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

:***Good point. Agreed. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 20:22, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 17:33, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Now that User:GiantSnowman has found and added the correct players category, I'm happy to go along with renaming :Category:Persepam to :Category:Persepam Madura Utama instead of upmerging, and have speedily nominated its related cats. – Fayenatic London 13:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:41, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Former countries of the Cold War}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, trivial intersection between a period in history and the fact that these countries no longer exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:00, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

: Delete: countries don't belong to wars, so this doesn't make sense. Jontesta (talk) 15:05, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:42, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People of the Seljuq Empire stubs to :Category:Asian people stubs

:* Propose merging :Category:Seljuk Empire stubs to :Category:Turkish history stubs

:Nominator's rationale: Only contains two articles. If not merged, the first one should be renamed to Seljuk people stubs (or perhaps Seljuk Empire people stubs), following the pattern for former countries in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:European_people_stubs&from=%23]. – Fayenatic London 11:18, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:43, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Medieval Ottoman Jews to :Category:Jews of the Ottoman Empire and :Category:Jews in the medieval Islamic world

:Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Note: the first target has been nominated for renaming to :Category:Jews from the Ottoman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:19, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

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