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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge to :Category:Festivals in Manhattan, :Category:Festivals in North Carolina and :Category:Electronic music festivals in the United States. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:31, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Moogfest}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Contains only 1 entry for the event itself. User:Namiba 23:25, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• UpMerge - but only to parents with the word "festival" in their name. - jc37 00:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Festivals in Manhattan and :Category:Festivals in North Carolina per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• : ...and :Category:Electronic music festivals in the United States. - jc37 19:43, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:33, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Peculiar variables}}

:Nominator's rationale: I think this category page should be deleted because:

1) Though it was created 17 years ago, it has never had more than one entry.

2) The one entry it has, V838 Monocerotis, is generally believed to be a luminous red nova, and not some mysterious unclassifiable object.

3) The name is rather vague. PopePompus (talk) 22:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OCMISC. - jc37 00:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Does not seem to be a well-defined standard category; unclassifiable variable stars would go to :Category:Irregular variables. The only uses of this phrase on Wikipedia are in reference titles at R Aquarii, V389 Cygni, V725 Sagittarii, and V838 Monocerotis; and one undefined usage at HD 160529. All of these stars are well-classified in the current scheme. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:19, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. to :Category:Icelandic businesspeople and to :Category:Restaurateurs. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:34, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Icelandic restaurateurs}}

:* Propose deleting - :Category:Icelandic businesspeople by industry - added/tagged - jc37 00:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry Estopedist1 (talk) 21:47, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Icelandic businesspeople. The parent also seems to only exist for this single cat, I tagged and added it as well. - jc37 00:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Dual merge to :Category:Icelandic businesspeople and to :Category:Restaurateurs. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:36, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Historical buildings in Syracuse, New York}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unclear criteria as there is no single definition of a historical building. User:Namiba 01:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. We categorize buildings by being listed e.g. in the National Register of Historic places. Move articles of this category to :Category:Buildings and structures in Syracuse, New York where necessary. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
• withdrawn Rename to :Category:Landmarks in Syracuse, New York under existing parent :Category:Locally designated landmarks in the United States and :Category:Landmarks in the United States by city. National, state, and local systems of historic buildings, better to combine than 3 different parallel trees. KISS.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:35, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 18:02, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Comment They both have a point. I'm also looking at :Category:National Register of Historic Places in Syracuse, New York, and wondering if this is just a duplication. - jc37 01:04, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:*Remember having some discussions a few years ago about landmarks versus buildings, and certified by authority rather than some editor thinking it was important. There are/were several sets of parallel duplicate trees. There are many authorities: National Register, National Historic Landmarks, etc. See :Category:Heritage registers in the United States. I'd thought the decision was to merge them all into "historic places" (not historicAL). But my memory must be wrong, as now we have "Locally designated landmarks". A quick search finds Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 May 12#Landmarks (not merged or deleted) proposed by {{U|Marcocapelle}}, back when we had more CfD participants. What now?
William Allen Simpson (talk) 03:10, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:* It appears that the nominated category just contains a random subset of :Category:National Register of Historic Places in Syracuse, New York. One more reason to delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

::*Petscan those not in :Category:National Register of Historic Places in Syracuse, New York

::*#Syracuse Savings Bank Building

::*#Clark House (Syracuse, New York)

::*#Dunfee House (Syracuse, New York)

::*#Church of the Good Shepherd (Syracuse, New York)

::*#Wieting Opera House

::*#Bastable Theatre

::*#Third Onondaga County courthouse

::*Three are in :Category:National Register of Historic Places in Broome County, New York instead. One is :Category:National Register of Historic Places in Onondaga County, New York. The remainder were burned down.

:::William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:31, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete — some of these places are were never landmarks, some are not in Syracuse, some were burned down.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 11:38, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete I'm ok with this sort of a category as a parent for different heritage registers, but putting loose articles in it like here is pure WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:56, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and above. –Aidan721 (talk) 05:44, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vegan Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vegan sportspeople by sport}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING intersection. :Category:Vegan sportspeople was deleted a few months ago. V27t (talk) 16:55, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:14, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. Disagree with Nominator. Numbers of athletes have credited their athletic performance to the fact that they follow a plant-based diet, others have publicly declared to be on a vegan diet for health or ethical reasons, whatever the rationale once they publicly define themselves as vegan, it is a characteristic commonly mentioned in sources. Athletes such as Lewis Hamilton, Tia Blanco, Alex Morgan, Nick Kyrgios Chris Smalling, Carl Lewis or Chris Paul to name a few have declared themselves to be vegan or to follow a plant-based diet. A search for "vegan Athletes" returns 113,000 results, “Carl Lewis vegan” returns 46,800 results “ Lewis Hamilton Vegan” 8,440 results while a search for "Chris Paul Vegan" and "Chris Smalling Vegan" returns results such as: "How Going Vegan has Benefitted NBA Star Chris Paul” and " Football Going Vegan: Chris Smalling explains why he turned to plant-based diet". The level of interest clearly shows how the two intersect, there would be no way to find them without those articles being categorized. Lewolka (talk) 20:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC) edited Lewolka (talk) 06:54, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:* That merely indicates there may be room for a list, not that it is a defining characteristic of the people in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

:*:@Marcocapelle Thank you for proposing something (a list), I'd love to know why you think that it is not a defining characteristic of the people in the category? another reliable source (business insider): [https://www.businessinsider.com/vegan-athletes-and-why-they-changed-their-diet-11?r=US&IR=T Elite athletes who are vegan, and what made them switch their diet]. Lewolka (talk) 16:56, 19 February 2023 (UTC) edited Lewolka (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

:::* For example [https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/roberto-jimenez this source] mentions nothing about veganism. And even if it would, it would merely be mentioned as a trivialty. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

:::*:I had no idea that every source had to mention it but I guess it makes sense, thank you @Marcocapelle. All my best Lewolka (talk) 20:55, 21 February 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. The parent category was previously deleted, and there's no credible reason why Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners need special treatment. Note that I'm also adding the {{cl|Vegan sportspeople by sport}} parent category, which will be emptied if this goes. Bearcat (talk) 14:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• :@Bearcat No "special treatment" is requested here, sportspeople would be fine too as this is just a way to categorise athletes with a common characteristic (as explained previously with examples in various sports). Lewolka (talk) 16:37, 19 February 2023 (UTC) edited Lewolka (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - I put the single article Roberto Jimenez (grappler) in {{cl|Veganism activists}}. No need whatever to intersect by sport. (I am fairly sure that {{cl|Vegetarians}} was deleted long ago, and {{cl|Vegans}} should follow.) Oculi (talk) 00:53, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
• :@Oculi How is that an improvement? that's an even narrower category and there are no mentions of activism in the article supporting his inclusion in that other category. Lewolka (talk) 16:35, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete — per parent discussion precedent.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:01, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
• :Thank you, maybe worth reopening the conversation? . Lewolka (talk) 16:53, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
• Delete If there is a connection it can be discussed in the article, but forcing that connection every time with a category is subjective and WP:OCTRIVIA. - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:58, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
• :@RevelationDirect how could it be considered trivial when diet forms a major part of an athlete’s life? here is another RS on the subject: [https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/vegan-diet-professional-athlete-olympics-b1889344.html Olympians including Novak Djokovic and Australian sprinter Morgan Mitchell credit sporting success to their vegan diet]Lewolka (talk) 16:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC) edited Lewolka (talk) 10:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
• {{ping|Lewolka}} your pings did not reach any of us. You can only ping in a new paragraph, not by editing existing paragraphs. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle oh dear thanks for letting me know, that's what I love about WP, always learning something new! Lewolka (talk) 20:06, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
• Comment :Category:Vegan Brazilian jiu-jitsu practitioners has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:03, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports competitions in Tabriz to :Category:Sport in Tabriz

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. Only one article. Merge to :Category:Sports competitions in Iran is not necessary as the lone article is in that scope already. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:19, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, but merge to :Category:Sport in Tabriz. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as it now contains :Category:Tour of Azerbaijan (Iran) and its many sub-categories. Tabriz is a large city and growth is reasonable, thus SMALLCAT does not apply.--User:Namiba 23:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• :Category:Tour of Azerbaijan (Iran) can easily be classified under :Category:Sport in Tabriz. –Aidan721 (talk) 04:37, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Agree, with one article and one subcat means it is still a redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:02, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Financial services companies of Finland and :Category:Accounting firms. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:42, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Accounting firms of Finland}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. In addition: unique category name in Baltoscandinavia countries categories (along with 1-member :Category:Accounting firms of Norway). Estopedist1 (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, but merge to :Category:Financial services companies of Finland and :Category:Accounting firms. The whole tree of :Category:Accounting firms by country should be revisited. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per Marco.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:08, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cherokee tribe to :Category:Cherokee

:* Propose renaming :Category:Seminole tribe to :Category:Seminole

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kickapoo tribe to :Category:Kickapoo

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wampanoag tribe to :Category:Wampanoag

:* Propose renaming :Category:Shawnee tribe to :Category:Shawnee

:* Propose renaming :Category:Blackfoot tribe to :Category:Blackfoot Confederacy

:Nominator's rationale: There are three federally recognized tribes each for the Cherokee, the Seminole, the Kickapoo, and the Shawnee; the Blackfoot are divided into one federally recognized tribe in the US and three First Nations bands in Canada; the Wampanoag consist of two federally recognized tribes. A category referring to a singular Cherokee, Seminole, Kickapoo, Wampanoag, or Blackfoot tribe causes confusion. Pinging editors: @User:Yuchitown, @User:Indigenous girl, @User:CorbieVreccan, @User:Vizjim, @User:Uyvsdi, and @User:TulsaPoliticsFan. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 09:01, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support. These are broad, overarching categories that cover culture, history, individuals, etc., so dropping "tribe" makes sense—for accuracy and to avoid confusion. Yuchitown (talk) 15:09, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Yuchitown
• Support for the same reason as stated by Yuchitown above. --Dan Carkner (talk) 15:18, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support: Same reasons as above. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support: per nom and Yuchitown. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 19:32, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support: per nom and Yuchitown. - Donald Albury 19:38, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support: per nom and Yuchitown. Indigenous girl (talk) 00:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support: per nom and Yuchitown.Vizjim (talk) 05:37, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:44, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Books about Grover Cleveland to :Category:Grover Cleveland and :Category:Books about presidents of the United States

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Works about Grover Cleveland}}

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

• Support this would also empty {{cl|Works about Grover Cleveland}}, which should also be deleted.--User:Namiba 20:18, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
• Support - added empty parent to nomination.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 17:09, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

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