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== Category:Russian political parties in Moldova ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Russophilic parties in Moldova. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 11:50, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Russian political parties in Moldova to :Category:Pro-Russian political parties in Moldova

:Nominator's rationale: None of these parties are "Russian". We are talking about political parties in Moldova, they're Moldovan. However, they take a pro-Russian approach. It does not mean they're "Russian". Super Ψ Dro 23:01, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

::They're not ethnic Russian parties so I would accept the second alternative. Super Ψ Dro 07:37, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Nike Inc. advertising ==

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename (non-admin closure) * Pppery * it has begun... 23:57, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Nike Inc. advertising to :Category:Nike, Inc. advertising

:Nominator's rationale: Nike, Inc. (with a comma) is the name of the parent category and of the Nike article. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 21:23, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Parks by year of establishment ==

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: Multi-Merge to Category:Parks established in (decade), and buildings and structures as nominated; and "protected areas" as discussed; as well. And special thanks to User:Marcocapelle, for implementation help : ) - jc37 18:01, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

::For the record, the following were created during the discussion and merged likewise. – Fayenatic London 21:15, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

::* Propose merging

:* :Category:Parks established in 1810 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1810 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1816 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1816 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1842 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1842 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1846 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1846 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1857 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1857 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1867 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1867 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1868 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1868 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1870 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1870 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1873 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1873 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1874 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1874 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1879 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1879 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1881 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1881 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1885 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1885 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1887 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1887 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1890 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1890 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1892 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1892 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1897 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1897 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1898 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1898 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1900 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1900 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1901 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1901 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1902 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1902 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1903 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1903 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1904 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1904 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1908 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1908 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1909 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1909 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1911 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1911 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1913 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1913 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1917 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1917 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1922 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1922 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1924 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1924 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1933 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1933 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1939 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1939 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1946 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1946 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1948 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1948 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1964 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1964 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1966 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1966 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1967 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1967 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1968 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1968 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1974 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1974 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1976 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1976 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1977 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1977 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1978 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1978 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1979 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1979 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1981 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1981 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1982 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1982 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1987 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1987 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1988 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1988 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1990 (5 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1990 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1991 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1991 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1994 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1994 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1995 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1995 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1998 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1998 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 1999 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1999 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2001 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2001 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2002 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2002 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2003 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2003 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2004 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2004 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2005 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2005 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2006 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2006 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2007 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2007 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2008 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2008 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2009 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2009 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2011 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2011 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2012 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2012 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2013 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2013 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2014 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2014 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2015 (3 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2015 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2016 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2016 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2018 (2 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2018 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:* :Category:Parks established in 2021 (1 P) to :Category:Buildings and structures completed in 2021 and :Category:Parks established in the 19th century

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:42, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Keep: Parks are not exactly "buildings" or "structures", nor would Wikipedians assume to look or tag them like that. There are probably many articles that can be added to these categories with minimal effort; just do it. ɱ (talk) 15:50, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

:* :Category:Parks is part of :Category:Outdoor structures is part of :Category:Buildings and structures. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

:* While the nominator is just looking at the current parents per Marcocapelle, I see what you mean. I'm open to a better merge target, if you have specific suggestions. - RevelationDirect (talk) 05:23, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

:*:Parks is a child of "protected areas", which makes logical sense. I removed "outdoor structures". A park is not a structure. Even for parks with structures, the structures are auxiliary, far from the highlight, and not important. ɱ (talk) 14:20, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

:::*I agree, that makes a lot more sense! RevelationDirect (talk) 14:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Keep per @{{u|Ɱ }}. The targets are the least-worst choice of parent cats, but they are a poor fit. This tree has plenty of scope for expansion: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=25058388 finds 4,248 articles with Wikidata property [https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q22698 Q22698] (parks). My quick spot review of the titles in those Petscan results seemed to show a low rate of false positives. {{yo|Marcocapelle}} what tests did you do on the possibilities for growth? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:10, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

:* This opens up a new discussion, namely is the nominated tree meant for Parks in a narrow sense (as it is currently) or Parks in a broad sense (as it is in the wider tree that you investigated, i.e. including national and regional parks, also including zoos, gardens and trails)? I am inclined to argue that the similarity between a park and a national park is just in the name. Parks are in essence outdoor structures, while national parks in essence are protected areas. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

::* I looked at the first five articles and dates by establishment are often challenging which reduces how many could be added to this tree: 1 (Structures built in 1914 made public in 1926), 2 (I couldn't determine a clear date), 3 (designated in 1839, 1844, and again in 1871 but the article makes clear those designations were not honored), 4 ("late 19th century"), 5 (1662). But looking at those specific dates (1662, 1839, 1844, 1871, 1914, 1926), none has a current category so, in addition to presumably adding some articles to current cats, we would also be generating a lot of additional potentially small categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 05:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::"Buildings and structures" is a poor choice when many parks have 0 structures, and :Category:Protected areas by century of establishment exists. This is a much better parent cat, and already in use for many parks. ɱ (talk) 14:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Merge to :Category:Parks established in (decade) and buildings and structures as nominated, per Namiba. I think it is the responsibility of creators of categories to populate them (or at least most of them) adequately before moving on. Oculi (talk) 00:28, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::"Buildings and structures" is a poor choice when many parks have 0 structures, and :Category:Protected areas by century of establishment exists. This is a much better parent cat, and already in use for many parks. ɱ (talk) 14:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::* A (city) park is a structure by itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Background Here is an earlier nom merging in an undeveloped "Parks and open spaces by year of establishment" tree". - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Merge to :Category:Parks established in (decade) and buildings and structures as nominated, per Namiba. That seems like a reasonable level of granularity which "does have realistic potential for growth" as outlined in WP:SMALLCAT. The current by year ones likely don't and whole anemic tree of small categories doesn't fit the "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" envisioned in WP:SMALLCAT. (Addressing the no votes above, the buildings and structures categories are the current parent and populating this tree seems more likely to add yet more small year categories, not to address the issue of each cat being small.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 04:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::"Buildings and structures" is a poor choice when many parks have 0 structures, and :Category:Protected areas by century of establishment exists. This is a much better parent cat, and already in use for many parks. ɱ (talk) 14:16, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::* ::* A (city) park is a structure by itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Comment (2 Issues and CFD Scope) There are really two topics in this nom: 1) How granular the establishments categories should be and 2) Whether the whole :Category:Parks tree should be under :Category:Buildings and structures. Beyond which target categories to use, these topics aren't connected and you may agree with other editors on one topic and disagree on another which will make it hard for a closer to gauge consensus on each.

:I agree with User:Ɱ which just boldly removed the B&S parent category. Nonetheless, I suggest we settle only the 1st question in this nomination for now since removing Parks from Buildings & Structures will take a lot of cleanup beyond this CFD nomination. (Take a look at :Category:Outdoor structures in Brunei to see an example of that cleanup.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:46, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

:* {{ping|RevelationDirect}} a (city) park is a structure by itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

:* A (city) park is certainly a structure. Not sure why there is any discussion about this. Oculi (talk) 18:01, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Shall I then replace the "buildings and structures" targets by "protected areas", and "parks by century" targets by "parks by decade" targets? Marcocapelle (talk) 15:10, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

::Yes, parks by decade seems to have a consensus forming from the support iVotes and protected areas would address the very valid target category concern raised by the two oppose iVotes. (I don't want to speak for either of the latter though, since they also were encouraging keeping the individual years.)- RevelationDirect (talk) 17:24, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

:::I think parks fit under both buildings and structures as well as protected areas and should be added to both. FWIW, they are already under cultural infrastructure.--~~

::::I really don't think it's on a smallcat nomination if the existing parent categories for a much larger group are potentially incorrect. If there's not a clear consensus for addressing this now, upmerging to the buildings and structures for now would maintain the status quo and we can have a subsequent nomination on the parenting issue. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:::+1 for Parks by decade, FWIW Crowsus (talk) 20:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Note to processing admin, if you need help with rewriting the nomination in terms of different merge targets, just ping me. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Keep: I not only agreed with Ɱ, but I agree that there are many articles that are missing the proper categorization. This category tree can easily be expanded. Dimadick (talk) 07:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:* The question is not whether the tree can easily be expanded. Sure, many years are still missing. But the question is whether the categories can be better populated other than by adding national parks which are a completely different thing than "city parks" and only share the park name. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

  • Keep all. This is an example of where WP:COMMONSENSE has completely left the conversation. There are lots of parks in the world that would pass WP:GNG for which we currently lack articles. We can populate these cats by article creation. Further, there is a certain usefulness for maintaining the cats in their current state for those looking to research events that occurred within a given year. If it's isn't broken don't fix it.4meter4 (talk) 15:23, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
  • Query Are they not part of an established tree structure? Do they not have potential for growth? Should there not be consistency in the application of the SmallCat exception? Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:17, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

:* The exception mentions large established tree for a reason. A tree with mainly very poorly subcategories does not make sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Rulers of Milan ==

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:The result of the discussion was: No consensus This close was discussed at Wikipedia:Discussions for discussion#Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 28#Category:Rulers of Milan * Pppery * it has begun... 15:33, 27 August 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers of Milan to :Category:Lords of Milan

:Nominator's rationale: Virtually all members in this category were "Lord of Milan". I suggest we manually (re)move everyone who might not fit "Lord of Milan" (e.g. Carlo Gonzaga of Milan?) to somewhere else. The subcategories :Category:Dukes of Milan and :Category:Duchesses of Milan have been made its siblings rather than its children in the :Category:Nobility from Milan. The new sibling :Category:Ladies of Milan has also been created for the consorts of the Lords of Milan. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 00:07, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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Relisting comment: {{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} Then it's done.
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::Thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:51, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

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  • Keep It's beneficial having a category which can encompass more than one title, and can catch the few articles which don't fit neatly elsewhere. Some of the suggestions made here would be useful sub-categories under this category. There is no reason that this has to be an either/or choice, as we can build out the category tree. BE BOLD and create some sub-cats.4meter4 (talk) 15:33, 6 July 2023 (UTC)
  • {{comment}} There is a requested move at Talk:List of Milanese consorts#Requested move 13 July 2023 which is relevant to this CfR. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 08:16, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
  • I'm going to hold off closing this until the RM is closed. — Qwerfjkltalk 11:51, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
  • {{ping|Qwerfjkl}} The RM has now been closed as no consensus. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:31, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
  • Update I've made the process easier by WP:BOLDly splitting off Lord of Milan (already a redirect), and renaming List of rulers of Milan to List of dukes of Milan. Now the latter is the main article of :Category:Dukes of Milan, and :Category:Rulers of Milan can now be renamed to :Category:Lords of Milan to align with the new main article Lord of Milan. This seems to solve most issues that have been caused by trying to fit two titles into 1 list and 1 category, which just doesn't work very well. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:06, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
  • {{ping|Peterkingiron|Furius|4meter4}} given that update, could you now support this proposal? – Fayenatic London 21:19, 24 August 2023 (UTC)
  • :No. Nothing has been done to deal with the fundamental issue that the lords of Milan and dukes of Milan were a similar kind of thing (i.e. heads of state) who are now being categorised as if they were the same as a whole lot of very different things (i.e. nobles). There is a fundamental difference between what the Duke of Milan was and what, say, the Duke of Argyll is. The heads of state of Milan are left outside the "Heads of state of former countries" category tree and the "monarchs of Italy" tree.
  • :Thanks to NL's crusade against the word "ruler", we now deal with this issue of rulers changing their titles in other states by having a category "Monarchs of" (e.g :Category:Monarchs of Württemberg), or a category "heads of state of" (e.g. :Category:Heads of state of Florence). There should be something like this for Milan, too.
  • :This bold change has made the matter worse by propagating this matter of categorisation into the main article space and in the process breaking a bunch of links to List of rulers of Milan (which will now take readers to the dukes when the article was dealing with the lords or with both). Furius (talk) 21:49, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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==Category:Draft articles on comics and anime==

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== Category:Immigrants to the Colony of New Zealand ==

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:The result of the discussion was: manual merge as per nom. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 13:26, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Immigrants to the Colony of New Zealand to :Category:Immigrants to New Zealand

:Nominator's rationale: Until very recently, people who migrated to New Zealand were all in the same tree :Category:Immigrants to New Zealand and its many subcats. User:Johnpacklambert has created this new cat for the 19th c. migrants, and is depopulating the many subcats of the original global cat by removing people who moved to New Zealand in the 19th c, e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Camille_Malfroy&diff=1162357605&oldid=1153281638 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Wilson_(businessman)&diff=prev&oldid=1162357839 here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Walter_Pilliet&diff=prev&oldid=1162357774 here]. The end result of this new division is thus that we have less informative categories on the articles, and less people in the correct New Zealand cat, all for the sake of some pedantry. This should be undone. Fram (talk) 16:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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==Imperial Chinese people by occupation==

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== Category:Rulers of Lithuania ==

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:The result of the discussion was: alt (downmerge and rename). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose downmerging :Category:Rulers of Lithuania to :Category:Lithuanian monarchs

::* Alt proposal: downmerge :Category:Rulers of Lithuania to :Category:Lithuanian monarchs; rename :Category:Lithuanian monarchs to :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 C, 0 P. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 01:01, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

::Alt proposal rationale: In addition to downmerging, the resultant category should also be renamed from {{xt|Fooian monarchs}} to {{xt|Monarchs of Foo}}, as the latter is more precise (suggested by Laurel Lodged and Marcocapelle; see also "Suggestion B" at the "Category:Monarchs of Bohemia" CfD, where the same point has been made). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:14, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

  • Downmerge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :@Marcocapelle just checking: the terms "reverse merge" and "downmerge" mean the same, don't they? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:41, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :* {{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} I meant "support" for sure. The term "reverse merge" is used as contrasting to the original merge nomination, so as a nominator you can't propose reverse merge. "Up" (=default) and "down" are the directions in the hierarchy of the tree. The original nomination can be up or down, so a reverse merge is down or up, respectively. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:52, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :*:@Marcocapelle oooh now I get it! That makes sense. Thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :*::So, if I propose to downmerge :Category:Rulers of Lithuania to :Category:Lithuanian monarchs, that means I would like "Lithuanian monarchs" to be the name of the merged category, right? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :*::* Right! Marcocapelle (talk) 13:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Query What about those Kings of Poland who were also Grand Dukes of Lithuania? Being in personal union doesn't mean that you swapped nationalities or languages. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:29, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
  • :The use of the adjective in this context does not suggest ethnicity; many Polish kings and Lithuanian grand dukes were 'ethnic' Hungarians, French, Germans, etc. Marcelus (talk) 10:42, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

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  • {{ping|Laurel Lodged}} they are in :Category:Polish monarchs but I am not sure how your question relates to the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)
  • Alt Let me clarify my intent: the nomination proposes a switch from a 'by country' tree structure to a 'by nationality' tree structure. This is incorrect as it would force non-Lithuianian nationals (Polish kings) into the category. It would be better to Rename it to :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Oh ok, that is more precise indeed. I will tag the target too, in order to have that settled simultaneously. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:58, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

:*::Category:Monarchs of Lithuania is also preferable for me. But do you intend to (A) still merge both cats and name the merged category :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania? Or to (B) keep :Category:Lithuanian monarchs as a child of the renamed :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania? My preference is A. Cheers, Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 04:20, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:::*Further elabotation I think that a renmaed "Rulers" to :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania could sit in parallel with :Category:Lithuanian monarchs. Some monarchs of Lithuania were not Lithuanian nationals (e.g. John II Casimir Vasa). Some Lithuanian monarchs were monarchs of states that were not in Lithuania (e.g. King of Hungary). Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:11, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::Care to elaborate? In what sense they were non-Lithuanian nationals? Also if monarch of Lithuania isn't Lithuanian national, then who really is? Marcelus (talk) 07:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:::Sure. John II Casimir Vasa was Polish of Swedish descent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:06, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::::First of all, this is not a elaboration. Secondly, you are talking about his ethnicity, and it so happens that on both sides he was descended from the Jagiellons, who were of Lithuanian descent. Apart of that he also had Swedish, German, Italian, French etc. descendants. But this is irrelevant. Because he was a Grand Duke of Lithuania, and you cannot be more Lithuanian than that. Marcelus (talk) 11:33, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{Ping|Marcelus}} You should be bound by your own logic. In a CFD on March 25th you wrote: "people from Palestine and Palestinian people aren't the same". The same applies to Lithuania and Lithuanian. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:10, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::::::Again, you need to elaborate. And please explain what you understand by "Lithuanian national"? Marcelus (talk) 13:36, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:::::::{{Ping|Marcelus}} Perhaps I could better answer if your were to first explain what you meant by "Palestinian people". Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::::::::I think good idea is to stay on topic here. Marcelus (talk) 14:10, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

:* I think it is a very bad idea to have :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania in parallel with :Category:Lithuanian monarchs because of the enormous overlap and (based on above discussion) because of disagreement about what Lithuanian monarchs means if not monarchs of Lithuania. There should be one category and the slightly more precise name is :Category:Monarchs of Lithuania. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:50, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

::OK then. Just 1. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Cricket events official songs and anthems ==

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  • Propose deleting {{lc|Cricket events official songs and anthems}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERCAT and WP:ARBITRARYCAT. The fact that these songs were used at different World Cup events doesn't mean they need a separate category. They are already appropriately categorised in the tournament categories {{cat|Category:2011 Cricket World Cup}} and {{cat|2014 ICC World Twenty20}}, but having a category of "official songs and anthems" is unnecessary overcategorisation Joseph2302 (talk) 10:55, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Cricket paintings ==

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  • Propose deleting {{lc|Cricket paintings}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, only 3 articles and unlikely that there are any more notable cricket paintings likely to get separate articles Joseph2302 (talk) 10:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Cricket poems ==

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  • Propose deleting {{lc|Cricket poems}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, as only 3 articles, and When an Old Cricketer Leaves the Crease is about a song not a poem. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Filmmakers from Bosnia and Herzegovina ==

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:Nominator's rationale: Identical topic ★Trekker (talk) 04:35, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Rape victims in Brazil ==

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:* Propose merging :Category:Rape victims in Brazil to :Category:Rape in Brazil

:Nominator's rationale: SMALLCAT ★Trekker (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

  • Support per nom, in addition the article is about a rape case rather than about a victim specifically. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Support. There is also consensus that a rape victims category is a bad idea (the category is protected from creation). —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 05:00, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:The Hellenic Society for Systemic Studies Award ==

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Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD and WP:NONDEFINING

We don't have a main article on either award but we do have two redirects that both point to the Hellenic Society for Systemic Studies, a Greek scientific organization. These biography articles don't treat the award as defining, mentioning it in passing with other honors (except for one where the category creator [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Haridimos_Tsoukas&diff=prev&oldid=415675913 added it to the intro]). The contents are already listified right here in the organization article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Fraternity Award ==

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:* Propose Deleting :Category:Fraternity Award

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, and WP:NONDEFINING

:The Fraternity Award is given to artists by the B'nai B'rith of Uruguay and consists of a trip to Israel and Europe so the winner can perform a concert, exhibition, play, or lecture. It sounds like a neat cross-cultural exchange but the biography articles don't treat the performance as defining, generally mentioning it in passing. The contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:04, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

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