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= June 5 =

== Category:Spanish manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Spanish-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Spanish manuscripts to :Category:Spanish-language manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in (proto-)Spanish (Castilian), written in Latin but by a 'Spanish' person, or written in Latin but discovered in Spain (WP:OCLOCATION) or preserved in Spain (by collection). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:The issue with this proposal (as with the other manuscript category renaming proposals) is that the category does not refer to language nor to discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Spain—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:* We have :Category:Latin manuscripts and it seems helpful. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:*:What Marcocapelle said. Of course, it is possible to create subcategories of Latin manuscripts (and there already are). Compare :Category:Latin chronicles about France: the texts are about France, but they are written in Latin. A lot of items which were categorised as 'Spanish manuscripts' were written in Latin, and not about Spain, but about the Bible or patristics, for example, so their connection with 'Spain' (especially before 'Spain' existed in arguably 1479) is questionable.
:*:I do not think it is clear, at all, from the items in this category tree :Category:Manuscripts by area as a whole that they are meant to group manuscripts {{xt|by area of production}}. As I said about :Category:German manuscripts: {{xt|these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans.}} In many cases we don't even know where it was "originally" written, because the provenance is often unclear. You can say based on internal linguistic arguments in what kind of language milieu the author lived or was influenced by, but that doesn't necessary tell you where the author actually put the pen to paper (or some other writing materials).
:*:Elsewhere in the category tree, there has been significant mixups between manuscripts by area, language, topic, type, collection as well, so it is not at all clear what "area" even means, and it is explained differently in different parts of the tree. So it makes sense to go for something that is actually WP:DEFINING, like language in this case. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:16, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Association of African Universities ==

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:The result of the discussion was: listify. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:04, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:Convert :Category:Association of African Universities to article Association of African Universities

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic; listify in new section Association of African Universities#Members. fgnievinski (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Convert, membership of an organization is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
Listify This is a industry trade association and is not defining per WP:OCASSOC. (In contrast, accreditation authorities are usually defining.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Swiss manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Works about Switzerland and :Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:02, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Swiss manuscripts to :Category:Works about Switzerland{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}} and :Category:History of Switzerland

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. 2 P. These mss aren't necessarily written in Switzerland or kept there (Cgm 558 is in Munich), but they are about (the history of) Switzerland. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom, but the second merge target may be changed more specifically to :Category:15th century in the Old Swiss Confederacy. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Italian manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Italian-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:03, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Italian manuscripts to :Category:Italian-language manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. I cleaned it up because it was a random mix of manuscripts written in Italian, written in Latin or Greek but by an Italian, or written in Latin or Greek but discovered in Italy (WP:OCLOCATION). Refining it to a language-based category makes most sense. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:The category does not refer to language, nor discovery. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in Italy—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
::Marcocapelle and I answered this question at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Spanish manuscripts. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:17, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:German manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:German-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:German manuscripts to :Category:German-language manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C child :Category:Middle High German manuscripts, and WP:CATSPECIFIC: these manuscripts are written in the German language, not necessarily in Germany, nor about Germany, nor by Germans. See also :Category:German-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:31, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:French manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:French-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:French manuscripts to :Category:French-language manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. They are all written in the French language (except the Cartulary of Mont-Saint-Michel, which is in Latin and would no longer fit the category), but not really about France. Armorial d'Auvergne is a roll of arms, BNF fr. 113–116 is a collection of Arthurian legends, and the last two are songs. See also :Category:French-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::The category does not refer to language, nor to topic of the manuscript. It refers to origin, that is, this is a category for manuscripts produced in France—which is how manuscript scholars (such as myself) tend to approach the subject. Language categorization does not make sense in this context. If you recategorize by language you’ll end up with a massive, and unhelpful, ‘Latin language manuscripts’ category. SJLahey (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Marcocapelle and I answered this question at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Spanish manuscripts. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, less ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Greek manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Greek-language manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Greek manuscripts to :Category:Greek-language manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. These manuscripts are written in the Greek language, they are not necessarily about Greece or the Greeks, nor necessarily written by Greeks or in Greece, nor necessarily found or preserved in Greece (this is especially true about the Septuagint manuscripts). See also :Category:Greek-language chronicles. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:03, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename per actual content, and current category name is too ambiguous. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Finnish chronicles ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Finnish literature and :Category:European chronicles and :Category:History books about Finland. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:45, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Finnish chronicles to :Category:Finnish literature,{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}} :Category:Scandinavian chronicles, :Category:European chronicles, and :Category:History books about Finland

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Support per nom, but with three merge targets rather than four, the article should be in either :Category:European chronicles (probably) or :Category:Scandinavian chronicles (less likely). Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Scandinavian manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:43, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Scandinavian manuscripts}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P, which is already in :Category:Swedish manuscripts anyway. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:30, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Delete per WP:OCLOCATION. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
:That's actually a great one to argue against manuscripts/chronicles by area/location/region/country, thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:41, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Swedish manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Chronicles about Sweden. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Swedish manuscripts to :Category:Chronicles about Sweden

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC. It's better to rename/rescope this to be 'about Sweden', because most of these are written in Latin, not Swedish, and some are preserved in collections outside Sweden. We're more talking about chronicles than the manuscripts of those chronicles anyway. See also Fayenatic and I talking about it elsewhere. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename per actual content, and a less ambiguous category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:18, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Middle American pictorial manuscripts to :Category:Mesoamerican pictorial manuscripts

:Nominator's rationale: Mesoamerica is the pre-Columbian historical-cultural region. Middle America (Americas) is the modern region. This category is about Mesoamerica. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:05, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::It sounds good. Originally, I named the category that way following John B. Glass's and Donald Robertson's classic work on the topic, "A Census of Native Middle American Pictorial Manuscripts" (1975). However, the suggested change seems sensible and makes the category more accurate for current readers. Tlakwilo (talk) 22:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

:::Glad you agree! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:18, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Bengali-language manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:46, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Bengali-language manuscripts to :Category:Bengali-language literature{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:South Asian manuscripts to :Category:Bengali-language literature

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 P. I tried to populate it with items from :Category:Indian manuscripts, but couldn't find any others (except two Assamese ones, but this is a (closely related but) separate language). Parent :Category:South Asian manuscripts will thus also become empty. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Delete per nom. The only article is already in :Category:Indian manuscripts so a merge is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
:Fair enough. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Rulers of Monaco ==

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. ✗plicit 07:27, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Rulers of Monaco to :Category:Monarchs of Monaco

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parents :Category:Monarchs in Europe and :Category:Monarchy in Monaco. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:02, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, more precise. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:16, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Comment a regent is not a monarch. —Lights and freedom (talk ~ contribs) 19:23, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
:Good point. I propose we re-parent :Category:Regents of Monaco from :Category:Rulers of Monaco to all other current parents of :Category:Rulers of Monaco (except :Category:Monarchs in Europe):
:* :Category:Government of Monaco
:* ~~:Category:Heads of state in Europe~~
:* :Category:Monarchy in Monaco (regents are not monarchs, but they only exist in monarchies)
:* :Category:Monegasque titles
:* :Category:Monegasque people by occupation
:* ~~:Category:Political history of Monaco~~
:Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 12:31, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
:::* Parenting to :Category:Heads of state in Europe is not accurate. Regents represent the head of state, they are not the head of state themselves. Parenting to :Category:Political history of Monaco just sounds a bit exaggerated, I'd say that :Category:Monarchy in Monaco sufficiently covers it. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
:::*:Thanks, I struck the two suggestions you oppose. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 10:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Update I've nominated :Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco for deletion, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 13#Category:13th-century rulers of Monaco. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 13:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose. 'Ruler' is a better catch-all term for the lords and princes of Monaco, which is why it is [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=ruler+of+Monaco%2Cmonarch+of+Monaco%2Crulers+of+Monaco%2Cmonarchs+of+Monaco&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3 more widely used]. Srnec (talk) 00:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
Weak oppose. More sensible to keep the Princes, Regents, and Lords together in this way. The Lords aren't really monarchs, either, but there's no reason why {{cl|Princes of Monaco}} couldn't be a direct subcat of {{cl|Monarchs in Europe}} (cf {{cl|Princes of Liechtenstein‎}}). Mind you, I suppose we could always rename to {{cl|Monarcho}} ;) Grutness...wha? 11:10, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Alemannic rulers ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 17:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Alemannic rulers to :Category:Alemannic monarchs

:Nominator's rationale: WP:C2C parent :Category:Monarchs in Europe. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:00, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename, most of them are described as kings. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Oppose. No need to call dukes monarchs. Srnec (talk) 00:33, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:* In the earliest middle ages the words duke and king were used interchangeably to refer to the heads of Germanic tribes outside of Francia. They were monarchs in any case, as they were independent hereditary rulers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

::*No, not every early medieval duke was a monarch. Nothing is gained by calling the Alemannic rulers 'monarchs'. Nothing. It is useless conformity. Srnec (talk) 00:43, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

::*:Meanwhile, 'ruler' still appears to be a vague ambiguous catch-all for whatever anyone wants it to mean. From emperor for life with absolute hereditary power (which can only be challenged by violence) down to local elected mayor for a 1-year fixed term (but removable from office by formal legal procedure if they engage in some sort of mismanagement or misconduct). The list of offices for which I have seen 'ruler' used as a synonym on English Wikipedia still keeps growing. If anyone writes that {{xt|Bar was a ruler of Foo}}, I still have no idea what Bar's position in Fooian society was. Fortunately, we have already cleared up most ambiguities to something more WP:DEFINING. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:19, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:4th-century rulers in Europe ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:4th-century European people, etc. {{nac}} –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:49, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose downmerging :Category:4th-century rulers in Europe to :Category:4th-century monarchs in Europe

:* Propose downmerging :Category:5th-century rulers in Europe to :Category:5th-century monarchs in Europe

:* Propose downmerging :Category:6th-century rulers in Europe to :Category:6th-century monarchs in Europe

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 0 P, 1 C. See precedent Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:1st-century rulers in Europe. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Downmerge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Upmerge to :Category:4th-century European people etc, as there is no rationale for removing the "monarchs in Europe" sub-cats from that hierarchy. – Fayenatic London 08:24, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Good point. After so many years of experience I am still occasionally overseeing merge necessaties. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:*:I agree with this. How do I phrase a nomination like that in the future? By adding 'Keep in :Category:4th-century European people' or something? Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 18:25, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

:*:: Simply Merge :Category:4th-century rulers in Europe to :Category:4th-century European people. – Fayenatic London 17:26, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

:*:::Thanks! Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 19:00, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Norwegian manuscripts ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Norwegian manuscripts to :Category:Old Norwegian manuscripts

:* Propose re-parenting from :Category:Manuscripts by area to :Category:Manuscripts by language; re-parent from :Category:History of Norway and :Category:Works about Norway to :Category:Norwegian-language works

:Nominator's rationale: WP:CATSPECIFIC To make clear this category is by language, not by country/area, and to match category description {{tq|This category contains pages on manuscripts in the Old Norwegian language, i.e. from the earliest fragments of the 12th century to the mid-16th century. (...)}} We might want to trim this description a bit, because it's unnecessarily long and argumentative for simply explaining the category's purpose. See also :Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 June 5#Category:Medieval documents of Norway (which might be merged into it), and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 27#Category:Manuscripts by area (where I argue to change the scope from 'by area' to 'by topic'). Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:29, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Hugo999}} you may find this interesting. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Rename per category description, and a less ambiguous category name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:50, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:American football teams in El Paso, Texas to :Category:American football in El Paso, Texas and :Category:Sports clubs and teams in El Paso, Texas{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT (1 C, 1 P). –Aidan721 (talk) 15:33, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Cemeteries in Odesa ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:53, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in Odesa to :Category:Buildings and structures in Odesa and :Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in Lviv to :Category:Buildings and structures in Lviv and :Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in Chernihiv to :Category:Buildings and structures in Chernihiv and :Category:Cemeteries in Ukraine{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in İzmir to :Category:Buildings and structures in İzmir and :Category:Cemeteries in Turkey{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Cemeteries in Tel Aviv to :Category:Buildings and structures in Tel Aviv and :Category:Cemeteries in the Tel Aviv metropolitan area{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:* Propose merging :Category:Jewish cemeteries in Hong Kong to :Category:Cemeteries in Hong Kong, :Category:Jews and Judaism in Hong Kong and :Category:Jewish cemeteries{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:Nominator's rationale: Dual merge per WP:SMALLCAT User:Namiba 13:17, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Dual merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Support per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:25, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. (Open to broader discussion about the parent categories.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:La Ferme Célébrités participants ==

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|La Ferme Célébrités participants}}

:Nominator's rationale: As celebrity contestants on a reality TV show, these fail WP:PERFCAT --wooden superman 11:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:26, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Delete Clear WP:PERFCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Sports in the United States by city ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. {{nac}} –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:56, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in the United States by city and sport to :Category:Sports in the United States by populated place and sport

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in the United States by sport and city to :Category:Sports in the United States by sport and populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:American football in the United States by city to :Category:American football in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:American football teams in the United States by city to :Category:American football teams in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:American football venues in the United States by city to :Category:American football venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Players of American football by city or town in the United States to :Category:Players of American football by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Baseball in the United States by city to :Category:Baseball in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Baseball teams in the United States by city to :Category:Baseball teams in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Baseball venues in the United States by city to :Category:Baseball venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Baseball players by city or town in the United States to :Category:Baseball players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Basketball in the United States by city to :Category:Basketball in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Basketball teams in the United States by city to :Category:Basketball teams in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Basketball venues in the United States by city to :Category:Basketball venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Basketball players by city or town in the United States to :Category:Basketball players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Boxing in the United States by city to :Category:Boxing in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Boxing venues in the United States by city to :Category:Boxing venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Boxers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Boxing players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Cricket in the United States by city to :Category:Cricket in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Cricketers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Cricketers by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Cycling in the United States by city to :Category:Cycling in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Cyclists by city or town in the United States to :Category:Cyclists by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Golf in the United States by city to :Category:Golf in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by city to :Category:Golf clubs and courses in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Golfers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Golfers by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Gymnastics in the United States by city to :Category:Gymnastics in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by city to :Category:Gymnastics venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Gymnasts by city or town in the United States to :Category:Gymnasts by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Horse racing in the United States by city to :Category:Horse racing in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Horse trainers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Horse trainers by populated place in the United States

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Jockeys by city or town in the United States to :Category:Jockeys by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Ice hockey in the United States by city to :Category:Ice hockey in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by city to :Category:Ice hockey teams in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by city to :Category:Ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Ice hockey people by city or town in the United States to :Category:Ice hockey players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Lacrosse in the United States by city to :Category:Lacrosse in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by city to :Category:Mixed martial arts in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Motorsport in the United States by city to :Category:Motorsport in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Motorcycle racers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Motorcycle racers in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Racing drivers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Racing drivers in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Rugby union in the United States by city to :Category:Rugby union in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by city to :Category:Rugby union stadiums in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by city to :Category:Rugby union teams in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sailing in the United States by city to :Category:Sailing in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Soccer in the United States by city to :Category:Soccer in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by city to :Category:Soccer clubs in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Soccer venues in the United States by city to :Category:Soccer venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Soccer players by city or town in the United States to :Category:Soccer players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Softball in the United States by city to :Category:Softball in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Softball teams in the United States by city to :Category:Softball teams in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Softball venues in the United States by city to :Category:Softball venues in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Swimming in the United States by city to :Category:Swimming in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Swimming venues in the United States by city to :Category:Swimming venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Swimmers by city or town in the United States to :Category:Swimmers by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Tennis in the United States by city to :Category:Tennis in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Tennis venues in the United States by city to :Category:Tennis venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Tennis players by city or town in the United States to :Category:Tennis players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Track and field in the United States by city to :Category:Track and field in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by city to :Category:Athletics (track and field) venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Track and field athletes by city or town in the United States to :Category:Track and field athletes by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Volleyball in the United States by city to :Category:Volleyball in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by city to :Category:Volleyball venues in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Volleyball players by city or town in the United States to :Category:Volleyball players by populated place in the United States

::*Propose renaming :Category:Wrestling in the United States by city to :Category:Wrestling in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by city to :Category:Wrestling venues in the United States by populated place

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in the United States by state and city to :Category:Sports in the United States by state and populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and city to :Category:Sports venues in the United States by state and populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in California by city to :Category:Sports venues in California by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Florida by city to :Category:Sports venues in Florida by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Illinois by city to :Category:Sports venues in Illinois by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Indiana by city to :Category:Sports venues in Indiana by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by city to :Category:Sports venues in Louisiana by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by city to :Category:Sports venues in Massachusetts by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by city to :Category:Sports venues in New York (state) by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by city to :Category:Sports venues in North Carolina by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in Texas by city to :Category:Sports venues in Texas by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Alabama by city to :Category:Sports in Alabama by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Alaska by city to :Category:Sports in Alaska by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Arizona by city to :Category:Sports in Arizona by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Arkansas by city to :Category:Sports in Arkansas by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in California by city to :Category:Sports in California by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Colorado by city to :Category:Sports in Colorado by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Connecticut by city to :Category:Sports in Connecticut by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Delaware by city to :Category:Sports in Delaware by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Florida by city to :Category:Sports in Florida by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by city to :Category:Sports in Georgia (U.S. state) by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Hawaii by city to :Category:Sports in Hawaii by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Idaho by city to :Category:Sports in Idaho by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Illinois by city to :Category:Sports in Illinois by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Indiana by city to :Category:Sports in Indiana by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Iowa by city to :Category:Sports in Iowa by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Kansas by city to :Category:Sports in Kansas by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Kentucky by city to :Category:Sports in Kentucky by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Louisiana by city to :Category:Sports in Louisiana by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Maine by city to :Category:Sports in Maine by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Maryland by city to :Category:Sports in Maryland by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Massachusetts by city to :Category:Sports in Massachusetts by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Michigan by city to :Category:Sports in Michigan by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Minnesota by city to :Category:Sports in Minnesota by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Mississippi by city to :Category:Sports in Mississippi by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Missouri by city to :Category:Sports in Missouri by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Montana by city to :Category:Sports in Montana by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Nebraska by city to :Category:Sports in Nebraska by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Nevada by city to :Category:Sports in Nevada by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in New Hampshire by city to :Category:Sports in New Hampshire by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in New Jersey by city to :Category:Sports in New Jersey by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in New Mexico by city to :Category:Sports in New Mexico by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in New York (state) by city to :Category:Sports in New York (state) by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in North Carolina by city to :Category:Sports in North Carolina by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in North Dakota by city to :Category:Sports in North Dakota by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Ohio by city to :Category:Sports in Ohio by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Oklahoma by city to :Category:Sports in Oklahoma by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Oregon by city to :Category:Sports in Oregon by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by city to :Category:Sports in Pennsylvania by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Rhode Island by city to :Category:Sports in Rhode Island by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in South Carolina by city to :Category:Sports in South Carolina by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in South Dakota by city to :Category:Sports in South Dakota by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Tennessee by city to :Category:Sports in Tennessee by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Texas by city to :Category:Sports in Texas by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Utah by city to :Category:Sports in Utah by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Vermont by city to :Category:Sports in Vermont by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Virginia by city to :Category:Sports in Virginia by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Washington (state) by city to :Category:Sports in Washington (state) by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in West Virginia by city to :Category:Sports in West Virginia by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Wisconsin by city to :Category:Sports in Wisconsin by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports in Wyoming by city to :Category:Sports in Wyoming by populated place

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports competitions in the United States by city to :Category:Sports competitions in the United States by populated place

:*Propose merging :Category:Sportspeople by city in the United States to :Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States

:*Propose merging :Category:Sportspeople by town in the United States to :Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports coaches by city or town in the United States to :Category:Sports coaches by populated place in the United States

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports teams in the United States by city to :Category:Sports teams in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Sports teams in California by city to :Category:Sports teams in California by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Baseball teams in California by city to :Category:Baseball teams in California by populated place

:*Propose renaming :Category:Sports venues in the United States by city to :Category:Sports venues in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by city to :Category:Defunct sports venues in the United States by populated place

::*Propose renaming :Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by city to :Category:Indoor arenas in the United States by populated place

:::*Propose renaming :Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by city to :Category:Indoor ice hockey venues in the United States by populated place

:Nominator's rationale: Rename all to match :Category:Sports in the United States by populated place. Many of these categories include places that are not designated as cities. For history, see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_January_19#Category:Sports_in_the_United_States_by_city. Additionally merge {{cat|Sportspeople by city in the United States}} and {{cat|Sportspeople by town in the United States}} to {{cat|Sportspeople by populated place in the United States}}. –Aidan721 (talk) 11:50, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::* Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Almost nobody calls a city or town a "populated place" in general conversation; it's "city" or "town". If you must rename it, have it be "By Municipality"-it's certainly more commonly used than "populated place." Tom Danson (talk) 21:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

::*:Tom, "Municipality" has a different definition in every state. "Populated place" is defined by USGS and is used in WP to define all cities, towns, villages, etc. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:10, 6 June 2023 (UTC)

::*::So WP:COMMONNAME doesn't apply here because...? Tom Danson (talk) 18:00, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Support all Given the precedent, these can probably be speedily renamed.--User:Namiba 13:19, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Support all there are numerous types of populated places in the USA and this name covers that better without naming which type, the definition if which is not important for the category.Djflem (talk)
Comment I thought the splitter was meant to be at the end, which most of these adhere to? Crowsus (talk) 09:03, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Support all but agree with {{Pong|Crowsus}} that the splitter should be at the end. So rename :Category:Sportspeople by populated place in the United States to :Category:Sportspeople in the United States by populated place. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
:We have :Category:People by populated place in the United States. The tree is much deeper. Moving the splitter would be incorrect. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:06, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Doping cases in Australian soccer ==

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Australian sportspeople in doping cases and :Category:Doping cases in association football. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 09:59, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Doping cases in Australian soccer}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:NARROWCAT, only three articles in the category. Should be upmerged to {{cat|Australian sportspeople in doping cases}} and {{cat|Doping cases in association football}}. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. S.A. Julio (talk) 09:37, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Upmerge per nom. Giant Snowman 17:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Merge for Now with no objections to recreation if we ever get to 5+ direct articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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== Category:Kapiti Coast District ==

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:The result of the discussion was: rename, but this seems to have been done out of process. {{nac}} –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 10:01, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Proposed renaming :Category:Kapiti Coast District to :Category:Kāpiti Coast District
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D The main page of the category is Kāpiti Coast District which has the macron in it.Panamitsu (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
Rename per nom, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:28, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

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==Category:Medieval documents of Norway==

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