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:The result of the discussion was: keep. ✗plicit 05:09, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Films about buses to :Category:Films featuring buses

:Nominator's rationale: There’s not very many films *about* buses, there’s quite a few where a bus or buses play a significant part. JonathanDP81 (talk) 23:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, when it is not "about" it would not be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:50, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose - convention in :Category:Works about transport is to use 'about'. Oculi (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|PSOTY}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. With only what amounts to articles on two albums and a discography page, this lacks the content necessary for an eponymous category. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 20:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Oculi (talk) 19:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn by nominator. – Fayenatic London 21:17, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Upmerge {{clc|Afghan expatriates in Iceland}} to {{cl|Afghan expatriates}} (per {{cl|Afghan people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in Iceland

:* Upmerge {{clc|Afghan expatriates in Israel}} to {{cl|Afghan expatriates}} (per {{cl|Afghan people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in Israel

:* Upmerge {{clc|Algerian expatriates in Afghanistan}} to {{cl|Algerian expatriates}} (per {{cl|Algerian people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in Afghanistan

:* Upmerge {{clc|American expatriates in Saint Lucia}} to {{cl|American expatriates}} (per {{cl|American people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in Saint Lucia

:* Upmerge {{clc|American expatriates in Sint Maarten}} to {{cl|American expatriates}} (per {{cl|American people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in Sint Maarten

:* Upmerge {{clc|American expatriates in the State of Palestine}} to {{cl|American expatriates}} (per {{cl|American people}}) and :Category:Expatriates in the State of Palestine

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• Rationale: recent cfds such as Emigrants from the United States (Oct 22), Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire (Oct 22), French emigrants (Apr 23), Belgian emigrants (Apr 23), Emigrants from former countries (May 23), More emigrants (May 23) and Expatriates (May 23) have upmerged small categories to their relevant parents (per WP:SMALLCAT). The listed categories are all small (1 or 2 articles) with no subcategories and should be similarly upmerged.{{pb}}The full list is here.{{pb}}Following the discussion in Expatriates, it should be a manual upmerge. Oculi (talk) 19:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. These mergers to multiple targets create a maintenance nightmare, and the sheer scale of this nomination makes it impossible to believe that the nominator has done a thorough WP:BEFORE to ensure that these categories all fulfill WP:SMALLCAT, which is for "Small with no potential for growth": categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members, unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme.
  These cats are indeed part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, and in our age of globalisation, they do have potential for growth. This is not like the oft-cited case of Husbands of Elizabeth Taylor, which is a small set with no growth potential.
  Anyone who has ever worked on Special:WantedCategories will know that many professional sports (esp soccer and basketball) now have a global transfer market, and that en.wp has extensive coverage of the huge and growing number of sporting expatriates. This isn't just people from developing nations as expats in G7 countries; there is also a lot of movement between other nations.
  Also, why do these proposed merges not group the target categories by continent?
  e.g. instead of the proposed {{cl|Afghan expatriates in Israel}} to {{cl|Afghan expatriates}} and :Category:Expatriates in Israel
  ... why not do
  e.g. instead of the proposed {{cl|Afghan expatriates in Israel}} to {{cl|Afghan expatriates in Asia}} and :Category:Asian expatriates in Israel?

:Those by-continent groupings would be more useful than the proposed global categories, which lump in migrants from Asia with from Africa, Europe, Oceania, South America and North America. I would still oppose the merges, but using by-continent targets would be significantly less destructive than this proposal to simply demolish a large chunk of our human migration categories.
The by-continent data is already there in the current category titles, and re-creating it later would be a lot of avoidable work.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:59, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

• If Dante were alive he would no doubt create a 10th concentric circle of hell where one is condemned to argue interminably with BHG. Oculi (talk) 14:34, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 05:19, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Santa Clara University School of Business alumni to :Category:Santa Clara University alumni{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT User:Namiba 17:44, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, currently two articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if it ever gets to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. There is an alumni list at SCU Leavey School of Business, but almost all of the articles listed do not even mention it as an alma mater. ミラP@Miraclepine 14:42, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Railway stations in Great Britain without public access}}

:Nominator's rationale: Duplicates :Category:Railway stations in Great Britain without road access (won't link for some reason...). Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 17:02, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:* With link now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:13, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Merge both to :Category:Railway stations in Great Britain without public road access, combining the two names. Some stations have private road access. I have CfD-tagged :Category:Railway stations in Great Britain without road access too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment I'm wondering if this is a cohesive rail station grouping: one that was mothballed, another that stops at a private company headquarters, 2 that are transfer point between 2 railroads, another is a dropoff for a car shuttle, 1 with an unclear purpose. I wouldn't find this category helpful for navigation, but certainly we should merge if kept. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:08, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• : Agree that it is a hodgepodge. I wouldn't oppose deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• :::Delete I don't think there's a common thread here to aid navigation, per my breakdown above. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)
• Comment There is a previous CfD at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 24#British railway stations. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:14, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete It would never occur to anybody to search for such a thing. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:36, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• delete In the DC Metro there is one station which really does have no public access: it is the station they take the money to, after hours. (I'm not sure they still use it.) From the sample I've read of these, they all do have public access: it's just that there is something "odd" about that access. I just don't see this as a coherent grouping, and it tends to trivia. Mangoe (talk) 01:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 05:26, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1662 establishments in Croatia to :Category:17th century in Croatia{{#if:| and :Category:{{{target2}}}}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT for just one thing. As always, "YYYY establishments in Country" categories do not automatically need to exist the moment there's one thing established in that country in that year with a Wikipedia article -- it aids navigation not a whit to obsessively filter everything down to microcategories of one, so below about five articles per year things should just be catted by century. Bearcat (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Triple merge, to :Category:17th-century establishments in Hungary :Category:17th-century establishments in Croatia, :Category:1660s establishments in the Habsburg monarchy and :Category:1662 establishments in Europe. It was established in a border town that was transferred from Hungary to Croatia as late as 1918. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:* I changed the first merge target, deferring to local knowledge below. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

• Yes, it was established in a border town that was first transferred from Croatia to Hungary earlier (in 1720) and then back from Hungary to Croatia in 1918. So the triple merge proposal can only be: :Category:17th-century establishments in Croatia, :Category:1660s establishments in the Habsburg monarchy and :Category:1662 establishments in Europe. --Silverije 15:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Ok, if that is the case you may want to edit the article about Čakovec to clarify this. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::* I agree, I'll do it. --Silverije 23:12, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Triple Merge Per Marcocapelle's revised suggestion. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:09, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Triple Merge Per Marcocapelle's revised suggestion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 11 June 2023 (UTC)
• Triple Merge Per Marcocapelle's revised suggestion. :Category:1506 establishments in Croatia (the only older one) should be similarly treated. And {{cl|19th-century establishments in Croatia}} contains 30 articles in 25 subcats - ridiculous. Oculi (talk) 18:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep the first, merge the second. ✗plicit 04:16, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Television shows set in Kingston upon Hull to :Category:Television shows set in Yorkshire

:* Propose merging :Category:Television shows set in the East Riding of Yorkshire to :Category:Television shows set in Yorkshire

:Nominator's rationale: Two single-entry WP:SMALLCATs, both created solely to overcategorize the same television show. As always, every place does not automatically get one of these the moment there's one show to file in it -- there would need to be at least five shows set in Kingston upon Hull before a dedicated category was warranted, and below that they should just stay in the Yorkshire parent. Navigation of the pedia is not aided in any way by obsessively sorting everything down into highly localized microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 12:03, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::Bearcat Where does it say this guideline about a minimum of five shows?

::When I first created some categories 16 months ago, a lot of them were deleted because they had nothing in them...

::Mainly because I had only just created them.

::No-one said anything about them having to have a minimum of five entries, which I could easily get.

::So I created some of them one at a time, and made sure each one contained at least entry.

::Also, let me guess...

::You're either, not British, or you're over the age of 47yo?

::Which a quick look at your profile suggests, you're clearly not British, you're a Canadian, as Yorkshire does not exist officially as anything, and has never really existed as anything.

::It was originally split into North Riding of Yorkshire, West Riding of Yorkshire, and East Riding of Yorkshire...

::Which then became North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, East Riding of Yorkshire, and South Yorkshire.

::Those four are Ceremonial counties of England, which are the equivalent of the States of the USA.

::Therefore Yorkshire should not be the parent of anything other than North Yorkshire, West Yorkshire, East Riding of Yorkshire, South Yorkshire, and anything unspecific to one of those four counties, like Yorkshire County Cricket Club. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::WP:SMALLCAT, which I already linked to in my nomination statement, is where it says that categories need to have more than one article before they become justified. And it doesn't matter who does or doesn't live where, either, because there's absolutely no rule that the United Kingdom gets any special exemptions from having to follow SMALLCAT the same way as any other country does. Bearcat (talk) 13:11, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::* {{ping|Danstarr69}} it would be very helpful, not just for the sake of this discussion, if you would move all articles in :Category:Television shows set in Yorkshire to an appropriate subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:18, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::::Bearcat there should be a rule, as people who don't understand UK geography like you, start nominating things to be deleted, partly because you think the East Riding of Yorkshire shouldn't exist.

::::It's like saying delete British Columbia because Eastern Canada exists.

::::Recently on a different site, I was updating some Americans places in the middle of a desert, which were also part of a national park, and wasn't sure whether I should add the counties to their addresses or not. I decided against adding the counties to their addresses, as I'm not really sure what an American county is, plus most locations in the USA only ever seem to use just states, not counties then states.

::::Also Kingston upon Hull should definitely exist, along with many more missing categories about things in the UK's cities, mainly because Hull is 1 of the 76 cities of the UK. It's not like it's a small town, with nothing going on, it's a medium sized city, and former UK Capital of Culture, with lots going on.

::::I mainly try to focus on Yorkshire cities and towns, mainly on a different site, however I slowly build them up on here every now and again, as shown by some of my recent fiction, books, and writer additions this week. Danstarr69 (talk) 13:46, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::Wikipedia content is not served by being microfiltered all the way down to microcategories of just one article each. Whether a category "should" exist or not, there have to be five articles in it, not just one, before it's actually allowed to exist, because a bunch of one-article categories does not facilitate navigating the encyclopedia. So there's a minimum number of articles that "X in Kingston upon Hull" has to contain before it's allowed to exist separately from "X in Yorkshire" — not because anybody fails to understand geography, but because navigation of Wikipedia's category system is not facilitated by one-article categories. Bearcat (talk) 13:50, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::Bearcat come on now, admit it.

::::::You thought because it contained a compass point, it must be a made-up place like, West London which I see people use a lot when talking about tourist attractions, when what they're actually talking about are places in the 8.29 square mile City of Westminster 1 of the 76 cities in the UK, because they don't realise that Greater London is not a city, never has been a city, and never will be a city. Danstarr69 (talk) 14:10, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::I thought absolutely nothing of the sort, and know far more about UK geography than you imagine I do. But places do not automatically get their own dedicate "X in [Place]" categories just because they exist, they get such categories only when there are at least five things to be filed in them. "This place exists" is not an exemption from WP:SMALLCAT; there have to be five things in the category before a category for them is justified, and one thing is not enough. Bearcat (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::* This whole discussion is a waste of time and energy. It would be so much more productive if User:Danstarr69 would move all articles in :Category:Television shows set in Yorkshire to an appropriate subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::*:Marcocapelle what do you think I'm doing? Look at my edit history.

:::::::*:And as I said, "anything unspecific to one of those four counties, like Yorkshire County Cricket Club."

:::::::*:Some of them I know exactly where they're set.

:::::::*:Some of them I know roughly where they're set.

:::::::*:Some of them are set in unspecified areas of Yorkshire.

:::::::*:Some of them are set in fictional areas of Yorkshire.

:::::::*:Therefore I can only move the ones I know about, or which specify the exact location settings in the article.

:::::::*:The unspecified ones, and the fictional ones will have to remain in the overall "Set in Yorkshire" category. Danstarr69 (talk) 15:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::::Bearcat you keep going on about this minimum of five entries, yet Wikipedia:SMALLCAT says nothing of the sort. It says:

::::::::"Avoid categories that, by their very definition, will never have more than a few members."

::::::::It's extremely unlikely that the category will never grow. There's at least 5 productions I know of which have been filming in Hull over the last 12 months, some of which will possibly be set in Hull too.

::::::::People from Hull, will know of more productions set in Hull, than I do.

::::::::Plus I only created it 4 days ago. Danstarr69 (talk) 15:34, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::Anybody can simply claim that any category has the potential to eventually grow large enough, so nothing would ever be subject to the SMALLCAT yardstick at all if all you had to do to exempt it from SMALLCAT was claim that it was theoretically possible that the category could become larger someday. A prospect of expansion has to be imminent, as in "there's an active project underway right now to get this undercovered topic filled in, so the category will be over the size minimum within a few hours at most", and just "anything's possible eventually" doesn't cut it at all. Bearcat (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::::::::::@Bearcat The minimum of five entries which doesn't exist, except in your head.

::::::::::As I said, Kingston upon Hull is a city with lots going on. It will definitely increase...

::::::::::It's the only city in the East Riding of Yorkshire, which is why the East Riding of Yorkshire is largely ignored compared to North, West and South Yorkshire.

::::::::::However like Scarborough, North Yorkshire and Bridlington, East Riding of Yorkshire, it has an advantage over the towns and cities of West and South Yorkshire, as it's a coastal city, so can be used as a coastal setting, or just for filming coastal scenes. Danstarr69 (talk) 15:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::Nothing exists "only in my head". The minimum of five articles is a standard rule of Wikipedia categories, not a thing i made up myself to be difficult. And again, the standard is not "it's a city with lots going on, so this category could potentially pass the size bar someday" — it requires an immediate prospect of expansion now, not "anything could be possible someday". Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::: Unfortunately, the 5 article rule of thumb (or 10) is a custom in CFD, not a formal guideline in WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 03:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

::* For more about WP:SMALLCAT's wording and how the guideline is interpreted in practice at CFD, see this discusison. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:17, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

• Merge :Category:Television shows set in the East Riding of Yorkshire and keep :Category:Television shows set in Kingston upon Hull. The latter now contains 5 articles, but there aren't any articles set in the East Riding of Yorkshire outside Kingston upon Hull. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:31, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge :Category:Television shows set in the East Riding of Yorkshire for now and Keep :Category:Television shows set in Kingston upon Hull. Not sure what was in the cats when nominated but one has reached 5 articles and the other hasn't. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per Marcocapelle/RevelationDirect above. Oculi (talk) 18:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Ecophenomenologists}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the one article in the category (also WP:SMALLCAT). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::Delete - per nom - car chasm (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete If a separate main article emerges, I'm willing to revisit, but this seems like it has no growth potential. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete - per nom. Oculi (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Ecophilosophers}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:45, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::Delete - per nom - car chasm (talk) 23:16, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Oculi (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. ✗plicit 05:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Austria‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Austria, :Category:Cycling in Austria and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Belarus‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Belarus, :Category:Cycling in Belarus and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Belgium‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Belgium, :Category:Cycling in Belgium and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Brazil‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Brazil‎, :Category:Cycling in Brazil‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Bulgaria‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Bulgaria‎, :Category:Cycling in Bulgaria‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of China‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of China, :Category:Cycling in China and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of the Czech Republic‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of the Czech Republic, :Category:Cycling in the Czech Republic and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Czechoslovakia‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Czechoslovakia, :Category:Cycling in the Czech Republic and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Denmark‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Denmark‎, :Category:Cycling in Denmark‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Finland‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Finland‎, :Category:Cycling in Finland‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Greece‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Greece, :Category:Cycling in Greece and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Hungary‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Hungary‎, :Category:Cycling in Hungary‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of India‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of India, :Category:Cycling in India and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Indonesia‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Indonesia‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Lithuania‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Lithuania, :Category:Cycling in Lithuania and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of New Zealand‎ (3 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of New Zealand, :Category:Cycling in New Zealand and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Norway‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Norway‎, :Category:Cycling in Norway‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Pakistan‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Pakistan, :Category:Cycling in Pakistan and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Poland‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Poland‎, :Category:Cycling in Poland‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Romania‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Romania‎, :Category:Cycling in Romania‎ and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Russia‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Russia, :Category:Cycling in Russia and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Slovenia‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Slovenia, :Category:Cycling in Slovenia and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of South Korea‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of South Korea, :Category:Cycling in South Korea and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Turkey‎ (2 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Turkey, :Category:Cycling in Turkey and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:* Propose merging :Category:Cycle manufacturers of Ukraine‎ (1 P) to :Category:Manufacturing companies of Ukraine, :Category:Cycling in Ukraine and :Category:Cycle manufacturers

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Merge for Now with no objection to recreation if any ever get up to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:22, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Oculi (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Bosnia and Herzegovina art history}}

:Nominator's rationale: unique, because no other category with the name "Foo country art history" Estopedist1 (talk) 05:28, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, while the category does have siblings in :Category:Art history by country it is redundant in its current state, with only one subcategory. A merge is not needed, the subcategory is already directly in :Category:Cultural history of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:21, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|National anthem compositions by key}}

:Nominator's rationale: This and its subcategories ought to be deleted because as a rule it's not a defining characteristic of these songs. For example, looking in :Category:National anthem compositions in F-sharp major, I've already removed one entry because of the two performances of 'L'Abidjanaise', neither was in this key, and I could find no substantiation that the music was published in this key; it was also listed in a different key category. One of the other category members was also categorized in multiple keys and the third, while performed in this key by the Navy band, could just as well have been notated in the enharmonic key of G flat major, and again there's no documentation of the key.

:There are a few anthems that are almost invariably played (if not sung) in a particular key because the compass of the tune doesn't give a mixed group of singers a lot of options. On the other hand the Episcopal Hymnal 1982 uses the tune for 'God Save the King' on facing pages in two different keys. When doing multiple verses it's common enough to move up a key on the last verse. Again, as above, finding documentation that an anthem was originally composed in a specific key is difficult to impossible, and sheet music from the present showing it in one key does not preclude performance or even other sheet music in another. My guess is that all categorization here is WP:OR, but in any case I don't see that the supposed key of these pieces matters. Mangoe (talk) 04:19, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

::Also nominating the following subcats:

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in D major

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in D minor‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in D-flat major‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in E major

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in E minor

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in E-flat major‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in E-flat minor‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in F major

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in F minor‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in F-sharp major‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in G major‎

:::*:Category:National anthem compositions in G minor‎

::Mangoe (talk) 02:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural comment, the subcategories should be tagged and listed too. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom, not withstanding Marcocapelle's comment which should be dealt with. Nobody knows the key a song was composed in save the composer, if a particular recording of a song/anthem is known and referenced, that is different.--Richhoncho (talk) 00:02, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
• Support as non-defining and often of dubious certainty. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. ✗plicit 05:22, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Green thinkers}}

:Nominator's rationale: Vague, non-WP:DEFINING category - car chasm (talk) 03:57, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

• Agree in principle. However before deletion it would be wise to check the articles manually, some may be added to :Category:Environmental philosophers. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
• :Just checked down the list for philosophers - many were already in :Category:Environmental philosophers or a subcategory, but I've added a few. - car chasm (talk) 03:26, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Per WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 13:24, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

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