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:The result of the discussion was: merge the first, delete the second. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:06, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:House of Dolgorukov to :Category:Dolgorukov family

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Burial sites of the House of Dolgorukov to :Category:Dolgorukov family

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT 1 item which is already in parent, 1 child :Category:Burial sites of the House of Dolgorukov with 1 item. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 20:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge the first, delete the second, the Dolgorukovs are not even mentioned in the Ascension Convent article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge the first, delete the second Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:53, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:BIK Karlskoga players. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Bofors IK players to :Category:BIK Karlskoga players

:Nominator's rationale: Same team that changed name (the BIK in the target is for Bofors IK). The target category has the article name, the one proposed to merge from is the older category. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

::*Support the logo of the team supports your claim. Dancing Dollar ^{(let's talk)} 14:56, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Emigrants from Czechoslovakia. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Czechoslovak emigrants to :Category:Emigrants from Czechoslovakia

:Nominator's rationale: Per form of parent category :Category:Emigrants from former countries. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:31, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• Comment: the nationality-prefix naming pattern is consistently used within the grandparent :Category:Emigrants by nationality. Many former countries do not have an adjective, but this one does have "Czechoslovak". – Fayenatic London 12:37, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

:*There were two nationalities in that state: Czechs and Slovaks. This is a "By former country" tree structure. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:16, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - the others follow the format of the 'people' category, which in this case is {{cl|Czechoslovak people}}. {{cl|Czechoslovak people}} looks fine to me. Oculi (talk) 13:52, 26 April 2023 (UTC)

:*Correction at most 20 out of 72 members of :Category:Emigrants from former countries use the demonym; the remainder use the form "Emigrants from Foo to Bar". Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:43, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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• Rename More standard format and clearer wording. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Soroksár SC players. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Soroksár SC footballers to :Category:Soroksár SC players

:Nominator's rationale: Same purpose. "Footballers" vs. "players". Geregen2 (talk) 20:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - 'players' is standard in Hungary. GiantSnowman 20:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Hajdúszoboszlói SE players. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:08, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Hajdúszoboszlói SE footballers to :Category:Hajdúszoboszlói SE players

:Nominator's rationale: Same purpose, "footballers" vs "players". Geregen2 (talk) 20:15, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:09, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support - 'players' is standard in Hungary. GiantSnowman 20:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:09, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|People of French Polynesian descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Is "French Polynesian descent" even as thing? French Polynesia is a geographic region, not an ethnicity. People of Tahitian descent is credible. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:26, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose - Tahitian is just one of the many islands that make up French Polynesia, so blanketing it under something like :Category:People of Tahitian descent is misguiding. The parent :Category:People by ethnic or national descent so there isn't a requirement for it to be strictly ethnic. Inter&anthro (talk) 18:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

:* Clarification There is no proposal to "blanket it under something like :Category:People of Tahitian descent". The Tahitian reference was just a passing observation that Tahitian at least, would have a better legitimate claim to a demonym as it is a distinct island, and, arguably, a nation. The same argument could be made for :Category:People from Raiatea. It cannot, however, be made for a collection of random islands whose only common link is that they were colonised by France. Colonisation does not make for ethnicity or descent. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:23, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose. Yes, its a thing. I agree with Inter&anthro that "Tahitian" is too narrow. "Mā'ohi" is a broader term, which seems to be used in French Polynesian media for Polynesians currently governed by France.--IdiotSavant (talk) 00:35, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Google Trends does not record a single hit for the term "French Polynesian descent". Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:24, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

:* The Google search term ["Tahitian descent" -Wikipedia] records twice as many hits as the term ["French Polynesian descent" -Wikipedia]. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:28, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

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• Oppose - deleting this category leaves adrift subcategories such as :Category:American people of French Polynesian descent which the nominator should have included. There is also an obvious error in the section title. Oculi (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
• Containerize As is so often the case with descent categories, they are good for containing individual nationalities but bad for grouping them together.--User:Namiba 17:43, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

:* It is unclear to me how containerization solves the issue at stake. The subcategories suffer from the same problem, that is, if it is a problem at all.

• Procedural oppose, deletion would merely leave the subcategories orphaned. This should only be nominated together with its subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose: The nominator's point about ethnicity is not relevant; this is part of "Category:People by region of descent" & "Category:People of Oceanian descent" Furius (talk) 20:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:19, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Deafblind people by nationality to :Category:Deafblind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Australian deafblind people‎ (4 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Australian deaf people and :Category:Australian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Austrian deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Austrian deaf people and :Category:Austrian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:British deafblind people‎ (2 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:British deaf people and :Category:British blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Canadian deafblind people‎ (2 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Canadian deaf people and :Category:Canadian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Dutch deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Dutch deaf people and :Category:Dutch blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:French deafblind people‎ (4 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:French deaf people and :Category:French blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Indian deafblind people‎ (2 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Indian deaf people and :Category:Indian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Irish deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Irish deaf people and :Category:Irish blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Japanese deafblind people‎ (2 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Japanese deaf people and :Category:Japanese blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Norwegian deafblind people‎ (3 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Norwegian deaf people and :Category:Norwegian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Romanian deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Romanian deaf people and :Category:Romanian blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Singaporean deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:Singaporean deaf people and :Category:Singaporean blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:South African deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people, :Category:South African deaf people and :Category:South African blind people

:* Propose merging :Category:Soviet deafblind people‎ (1 P) to :Category:Deafblind people and :Category:Soviet blind people

:Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, apart from the American one, none of the subcategories reaches 5 articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:52, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• :Merge for Now per RD. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:17, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
• Comment being Blind AND deaf is a particularly severe disability, which will mean that those who are also notable will be rare. In general I support the policy of upmerging SMALLCAT cases, but do not think it appropriate here. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:46, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

:* With the merge, the articles stay in :Category:Deafblind people. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:15, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|1984 crimes by month}}

:* Propose merging :Category:April 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:April 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:May 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:May 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:June 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:June 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:July 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:July 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:September 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:September 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:October 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:October 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:November 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:November 1984 events

:* Propose merging :Category:December 1984 crimes to :Category:1984 crimes and :Category:December 1984 events

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, was omitted from Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_15#Category:Crimes_by_month because it was not in the parent category. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:32, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Manual merge as the articles are likely to be in the parent trees already. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:51, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Missouri Military Academy alumni. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:People educated at Missouri Military Academy to :Category:Missouri Military Academy alumni

:Nominator's rationale: To match :Category:Alumni by high school in Missouri and other high school categories in the United States. User:Namiba 18:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Speedy Rename Per WP:C2C. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Generative pre-trained transformers. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:16, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Generative pretrained transformer to :Category:Generative pretrained transformers

:Nominator's rationale: As a WP:SETCAT this should be plural. Belbury (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

::makes sense (I didn't know about this policy), thanks for initiating... Estadje (talk) 21:21, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Alt rename to :Category:Generative pre-trained transformers (with dash) per article title Generative pre-trained transformer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:20, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• :sure, that could make sense too (although fwiw, if it becomes plural, then it wouldn't match the article title regardless...) Estadje (talk) 21:24, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:: Alt Rename to :Category:Generative pre-trained transformers per WP:C2D and WP:SETCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:55, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vancouver North Shore United players}}

:Nominator's rationale: No evidence provided that the club is notable. Article does not exist. Geregen2 (talk) 15:44, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 20:08, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 20:13, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Fiction about cryonics. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Cryonics in fiction to :Category:Fiction about cryonics

:Nominator's rationale: Rename to make it more clear that this category is for fiction where cryonics plays a principal role rather than any fiction in which cryonics receives any mention per WP:DEFCAT. DonIago (talk) 13:27, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:17, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and rename. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:17, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports clubs and :Category:Sports teams to :Category:Sports clubs and teams

:* Propose merging :Category:Defunct sports clubs and :Category:Defunct sports teams to :Category:Defunct sports clubs and teams

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports clubs by city and :Category:Sports teams by city to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by city

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports clubs by continent and :Category:Sports teams by continent to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by continent

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports clubs by country and :Category:Sports teams by country to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by country

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports clubs by sport and :Category:Sports teams by sport to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by sport

:* Propose merging :Category:Sports club members to :Category:Sportspeople by club or team

:* Propose merging :Category:Wikipedia categories named after sports clubs and :Category:Wikipedia categories named after sports teams to :Category:Wikipedia categories named after sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Accidents and incidents involving sports teams to :Category:Accidents and incidents involving sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Amateur sports teams to :Category:Amateur sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fan-owned sports teams to :Category:Fan-owned sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional sports teams to :Category:Fictional sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:History of sport by team to :Category:History of sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Lists by sports team to :Category:Lists by sports club or team

:* Propose renaming :Category:Lists of sports teams to :Category:Lists of sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Men's sports teams to :Category:Men's sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Military sports teams to :Category:Military sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Mining sports teams to :Category:Mining sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Parasports teams to :Category:Parasports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Police sports clubs to :Category:Police sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Proposed sports teams to :Category:Proposed sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Railway sports teams to :Category:Railway sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Red Bull sports teams to :Category:Red Bull sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Semi-professional sports teams to :Category:Semi-professional sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Senior sports clubs to :Category:Senior sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports club competitions to :Category:Sports club and team competitions

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports club logos to :Category:Sports club and team logos

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports teams by competition to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by competition

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports clubs by date of establishment to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by date of establishment

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports teams by dependent territory to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by dependent territory

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports teams by metropolitan area to :Category:Sports clubs and teams by metropolitan area

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports clubs founded by the YMCA to :Category:Sports clubs and teams founded by the YMCA

:* Propose renaming :Category:Sports team relocations to :Category:Sports team and club relocations

:* Propose renaming :Category:University and college sports clubs to :Category:University and college sports clubs and teams

:* Propose renaming :Category:Women's sports teams to :Category:Women's sports clubs and teams

:Nominator's rationale: Mixture of clubs and teams across the category tree. In the top, :Category:Sports teams is the parent of :Category:Sports clubs, but usage varies throughout the tree. Already in first layer, :Category:Defunct sports teams is under :Category:Defunct sports clubs. Category:Sports teams currently has three categories with club(s) in their names and Category:Sports clubs has one with team(s). On the way from Category:Sports teams to Oxford University Ice Hockey Club, it switches two or three times: :Category:Sports teams → :Category:University and college sports clubs → :Category:University and college ice hockey teams‎ → :Category:University ice hockey teams in England → article about a club named Oxford University Ice Hockey Club

:Inside the tree of a specific sport, it is usually cohesive, where e.g. football clubs are under football teams and football clubs are used for almost all non-national teams. Usage:

:*Clubs: Football, most European-centered team sports.

:*Teams: National teams, US & Canada, motorsport, cycling, ice hockey

:If merged/renamed, a later step would be to rename/merge the sports clubs and sports teams categories by (geography) (taking WP:ENGVAR in consideration: sport/sports/sporting), and let the ones by sport remain as they usually are cohesive. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support There is a slim difference between the two entities; that difference is probably insufficient to support categorical differentiation. In Category space, ease and consistency of navigation ought to trump taxonomic niceties. Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. It's about time these categories were merged. –Aidan721 (talk) 13:50, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Maybe it is better to let :Category:Accidents and incidents involving sports teams remain as everything in it is about competitors of a squad/roster/national team? Kaffet i halsen (talk) 13:58, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

:*Removed, Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Directed-energy weapons of the United States. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Directed-energy weapon of the United States to :Category:Directed-energy weapons of the United States

:Nominator's rationale: Plural, category contains articles about multiple weapons Gjs238 (talk) 01:42, 15 May 2023 (UTC)

• Rename, it is a set category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:08, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
• Rename per Marcocapelle. Nederlandse Leeuw (talk) 22:19, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

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