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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 (talk) 01:26, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Wilson family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Ogilvie Forbes family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Vaughan family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Curtis family (London)}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Chilombo family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Chuckerbutty family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Van de Weyer family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Grimoard family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Roger family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Busby family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Walston family}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Atiyah family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 23:57, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. I took the liberty to merge all these nominations. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• :(Thanks!) Mason (talk) 20:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Atiyah family as it has 3 entries. GiantSnowman 17:52, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Thanks for your reasoning. My rule of thumb has been to use 4ish as the threshold, if there wasn't an eponymous article. Mason (talk) 20:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 (talk) 01:27, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Family of Charles Sturt}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat, that only seems to exist because theirs an eponymous category about a family member Mason (talk) 23:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, also a very distant relationship with Charles Sturt. If kept rename to :Category:Taylor family (Australia). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:14, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Sahrawi men. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 (talk) 01:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Sahrawi men by occupation to :Category:Sahrawi men

:Nominator's rationale: overcategorized Mason (talk) 20:42, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:55, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:15, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Category has been filled with a dozen articles. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 22:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Battles involving Polisario Front}}

:Nominator's rationale: small cat Mason (talk) 20:38, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Polisario Front rather than delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:13, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep now populated category with a dozen articles.GreyShark (dibra) 13:25, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Keep for this reason. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• ::Awesome! I'm thrilled it's populated :) Mason (talk) 02:54, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:51, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|LGBT Bahá'ís}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS/I issue: the intersection of religion and sexuality/gender identity is not defining here. Edward-Woodrow • talk 17:19, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, it is part of :Category:LGBT people by religion, per article Religion and LGBT people. Not sure if that is a sufficient reason to keep this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:03, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• :{{ping|Marcocapelle}} I feel like all subcategories of :Category:LGBT people by religion should be deleted for the same reason, but maybe there's something I'm not seeing. Edward-Woodrow • talk 22:40, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• :* LGBT is controversial in a number of religions, so generally it is not a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:43, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Keep per Baháʼí views on homosexuality, which makes it a non-trivial intersection. HouseBlaster^talk 11:55, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep per HouseBlaster, the intersection is defining as there’s a semi-well sourced article on the subject. — Mugtheboss (talk) 18:15, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge and rename (or merge both, however you want to put it.) (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 15:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Destroyed towns to :Category:Destroyed cities

:Nominator's rationale: Seems to be an arbitrary distinction, destination category could be renamed to "destroyed settlements". –DMartin 18:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, a possible difference between city and town is not relevant for most places in these categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:15, 2 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge, no objective difference between "city" and "town" in most countries. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:26, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge both to :Category:Destroyed populated places to use correct verbiage. –Aidan721 (talk) 03:25, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:* That is also a good possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

:*:Agreed. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

:*{{ping|Dmartin969|Smasongarrison|Lenticel}} opinions on this merge? CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} 18:51, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Since there is a proposal to use a name that is not the title of the merge target, I have tagged the target category as well. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:29, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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::I think that merging both is a great suggestion. Towns and cities aren't really the core feature of the category, like a destroyed place is destroyed regardless of whether it's a town or city. Mason (talk) 19:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support new "merge both" suggestion. --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:06, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 14:21, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Kofun to :Category:Kofuns

:Nominator's rationale: Title should be plural not singular Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 01:32, 3 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment. The first paragraph of the Kofun article says "Kofun were mainly constructed in ..." suggesting that Kofun can be used as plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. Kofun is both singular and plural. The term "kofuns" does not exist in academia. --MChew (talk) 01:52, 8 October 2023 (UTC)

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• Oppose per MChew --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:07, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English antiquarians. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Antiquarians from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English antiquarians

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 03:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English art patrons. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Art patrons from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English art patrons

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English businesspeople. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Businesspeople from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English businesspeople

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 03:59, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English merchants. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Merchants from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English merchants

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:16, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English chefs. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Chefs from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English chefs

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English clockmakers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Clockmakers from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English clockmakers

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:00, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English explorers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:16, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Explorers from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English explorers

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

::clarification. Trivial intersection isn't the right phrase: redundant/overlapping. Mason (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:28, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Historians from the Kingdom of England}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:02, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• {{strikethrough|Merge}}Delete per nom. (This one is really silly) –Aidan721 (talk) 20:47, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• :(I agree, although I think the chef on is the silliest. My litmus test is to ask myself whether the political regime meaningfully intersects with the occupation. Mostly it doesn't...) Mason (talk) 20:20, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Comment – Aidan721, did you mean to !vote delete per nom, or did you have a merge target in mind? HouseBlaster^talk 02:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:*{{ping|HouseBlaster}} Yes, I did. Thank you! Corrected above. –Aidan721 (talk) 02:19, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English lawyers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Lawyers from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English lawyers

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

::clarification. Trivial intersection isn't the right phrase: redundant/overlapping, especially when there are Xth-century English lawyers. Mason (talk) 19:57, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English magicians. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Magicians from the Kingdom of England to :Category:English magicians

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:English courtiers. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 16:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Maids of honour from the Kingdom of England}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

• If not kept, merge to :Category:English courtiers. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
• :clarification. Trivial intersection isn't the right phrase: redundant/overlapping. Mason (talk) 19:56, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Merge to :Category:English courtiers. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support merge. I'll double check to ensure that everyone in the category has a Fooian women category.Mason (talk) 02:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Mathematicians from the Kingdom of England}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:03, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom since the lone article is already in the tree for :Category:English mathematicians. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Writers from the Kingdom of England}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:04, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: procedural close. Category was merged due to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 5#Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|People of the Kingdom of England in Bermuda}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:18, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 07:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|People from the Kingdom of England in the Thirteen Colonies}}

:Nominator's rationale: trivial intersection Mason (talk) 04:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

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• This category was also nominated for renaming at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 5#Category:Expatriates of the Kingdom of England and is now at :Category:English expatriates in the Thirteen Colonies. (The page history is messy: it was created in 2022 by Johnpacklambert; nominated twice on 2023-09-18 but only tagged once; deleted and recreated at the new name; undeleted and moved over the new page.) – Fayenatic London 09:22, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
• :@Mason do you withdraw the nomination? Qwerfjkltalk 20:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
• ::I have mixed feelings. Regardless, I'll withdraw, because it's now less trivial of an intersection. Mason (talk) 03:34, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: listify and then delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:22, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Bodies dissected at Winchester Medical College}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIAL. The location of a body when or if it is dissected is a non-defining characteristic. User:Namiba 19:07, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
• :Delete. is indeed trivial Mason (talk) 01:19, 19 September 2023 (UTC)
• Listify - Actually, in this case, where the bodies were, was notable. See also Burning of Winchester Medical College, etc. That said, the current title doesn't give any sense of the significance. So it would need to be renamed at the very least. But when I was considering rename possibilities, it became clear that the entries really could use some clarification, and so, per WP:BEFORECAT, this should probably be a list. - jc37 01:30, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

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• I do not have an issue with listification before deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• :I'm fine with listification, as it's a pretty novel list. Mason (talk) 20:22, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus for nominator's proposal. There is consensus to rename them both to "Foo in the medieval Islamic world". (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Officials of the medieval Islamic world to :Category:Medieval government officials

:* Propose renaming :Category:Viziers of the medieval Islamic world to :Category:Medieval viziers

:Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 31#Category:Viziers of the medieval Islamic world (closed as no consensus). As closer suggested, we should start over. The basic argument remains the same: the "medieval Islamic world" was not a "country", but we can rearrange these categories as part of the :Category:Medieval people by occupation tree. I did all the preparatory work this time, following Marcocapelle's successful Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 18#Heads of government. I created :Category:Medieval government officials as the merge target and populated and parented it already, as well as creating the new :Category:Government officials by century tree to go along with it.

:The Officials cat will be a simple Merge. The Viziers cat will be a simple Rename. NLeeuw (talk) 20:32, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

::{{ping|Marcocapelle|Fayenatic london}} pinging participants of previous discussion for follow-up. NLeeuw (talk) 20:36, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

• Still oppose and I am not sure there is any merit in starting this over. I have argued before that 1) there is no need for categorizing by country per se and 2) that categorization by cultural region is the most convenient solution for not having countries altogether. The medieval islamic world was mostly organized by short-living dynasties with varying territories, not by stable countries where one dynasty succeeded another while the country remained the same like in Europe. Many dynasty categories do not have enough biography articles for a very detailed subcategorization by occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• :@Marcocapelle I'm sad that you don't agree. As a historian, I must object to the simplistic idea that {{!xt|[in Europe, there were] stable countries where one dynasty succeeded another while the country remained the same.}} That is a very modern Western European point of view. I've spent many years writing about war of succession, and List of wars of succession in Europe. As I wrote some years ago, {{tq|Moreover, the legal and political coherence of the various provinces of a 'state territory' [in Europe] often consisted merely in nothing more than having a common ruler (a personal union). Early government systems were therefore based on dynasties, the extinction of which immediately brought on a state crisis.}} And: {{tq|Early medieval Europe was rife with conflicts over property or property rights. R. I. Moore (2000) characterised the situation as 'apparently endless and pointless internecine conflict which raged at every level of aristocratic society from the tenth century onwards. It continued everywhere in Latin Europe (though taking a somewhat different form to the east of the Rhine) throughout the eleventh century, and did not subside in most regions until well into the twelfth.'}} Countless dynasty-based states in Europe collapsed precisely due to succession disputes, and some of the worst wars in European history such as the War of the Spanish Succession were, as the name hints, caused by dynastic succession crises. A serious argument can be made that there have been more dynastic wars of succession than religious wars in Europe. We've just forgotten about them, because nobody (in Europe) remembers what absolute monarchy was like, but we do still know what religious conflict looks like. Anyway, perhaps this is a topic we should discuss privately, because I risk going offtopic here, even though I think it's important to explain why I think you are mistaken. Just like "the medieval Islamic world", Europe has always been dynastically unstable (until we invented constitutional monarchies and republics). NLeeuw (talk) 20:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)
• :* I agree that the statement was simplistic. There are also enough cases of unstable, small and/or short-living polities in medieval Europe. But that merely strengthens my argument, because in those cases historiography also often focuses on a longer lasting cultural region, and so we have categories for Anglo-Saxons, for Kievan Rus' people and (more dubious) for medieval Italians. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)
• Since these have been re-nominated, how about renaming to "in" following the precedent for monarchs in continents? i.e. to :Category:Officials in the medieval Islamic world and :Category:Viziers in the medieval Islamic world. – Fayenatic London 14:07, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

:* Agree with the rename, that is slightly more precise. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete/triple merge as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Defunct charter high schools in California to :Category:Charter high schools in California, :Category:Defunct charter schools in California, and :Category:Defunct public high schools in California

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Defunct charter high schools in the United States by state or territory}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NARROWCAT. Only 1 article. Delete the container category as it will then be empty. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete both. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 16:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Emigrants from the United Kingdom of the Netherlands to France}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Emigrants from the United Kingdom of the Netherlands}}

: Nominator's rationale: 1 article (Wilhelm Hendrik Franquinet) for which this is not defining. This 3-line biography tells us that Franquinet, born in Maastricht in 1785, educated in Antwerp, lived and worked in Maastricht in from 1804 to 1816, and settled in Paris in 1816. I doubt that the gap between the formation of the UK of the Netherlands in September 1815 and an unknwown date in 1816 allows us to consider that the nominated category appropriately describes someone that was, in fact, French before and after this "emigration". Place Clichy (talk) 14:31, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, I was thinking about merging to :Category:Dutch emigrants to France but that seems a bit over the top for this particular article. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support. per nom Mason (talk) 18:46, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Russian families. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Russian business families to :Category:Russian families

:Nominator's rationale: one family in the category Mason (talk) 12:29, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. A dual merge is not needed, the article is already in :Category:Businesspeople from the Russian Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Shoigu family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 12:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Henry family of the Cook Islands}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 12:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:31, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:17, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sommaruga family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 12:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge to :Category:Vietnamese families and :Category:Political families. Nom proposed splitting, but then called for upmerging; given that there is only a single page in the category that would belong in both merge targets I am taking the distinction between a split and a dual merge to be semantics. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Political families of Vietnam to :Category:Vietnamese families and :Category:Political families

:Nominator's rationale: only one family in this category, should be upmerged. not opposition, if the category is beomes populated Mason (talk) 12:26, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Likewise no objection to recreation of the category if and when it can be populated better. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Businesspeople from the Spanish Netherlands. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Businesspeople of the Spanish Netherlands to :Category:Businesspeople from the Spanish Netherlands

:Nominator's rationale: @From country/nationality not of country/nationality Mason (talk) 12:21, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Rename, "from" is the default. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:12, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Shanty towns in Zambia to :Category:Slums in Zambia

:Nominator's rationale: I feel it is unnecessary duplication to have both categories with the same articles. GeographicAccountant (talk) 11:48, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom but also move Misisi directly under :Category:Shanty towns in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:11, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Disappeared detainees in Chile}}

:Nominator's rationale: At first I thought that this recently created category was a duplicate of existing {{Cl|Enforced disappearances in Chile}}, but the four articles there are in fact more generic to the Chile dictatorship rather than just the disappearances: 1973 Chilean coup d'état, Dirección de Inteligencia Nacional, Human rights abuses in Chile under Augusto Pinochet, Military dictatorship of Chile. Place Clichy (talk) 09:37, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, overlaps with :Category:Political repression in Chile during the military government (1973–1990). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: :Category:Disappeared detainees in Chile is redundant with {{Cl|Enforced disappearances in Chile}}, in which the four articles do not belong. Gjs238 (talk) 19:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete The four articles in the category don't belong to {{Cl|Enforced disappearances in Chile}} so there's nothing to merge. Pichpich (talk) 20:52, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Hawaiian Airlines people. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:10, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Hawaiian Airlines personnel to :Category:Hawaiian Airlines people

:Nominator's rationale: Near-empty un-categorized duplicate category. Place Clichy (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:32, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• :support. per nom Mason (talk) 12:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Pichpich (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete without prejudice against recreation if it can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Linha do Alentejo}}

:Nominator's rationale: Improperly-named WP:SMALLCAT that was created just to hold one template that consists almost entirely of redlinks. Even if this were warranted, the template's naming as {{tl|Alentejo Line stations}} cleary indicates that the topic has an English-language name, which would in turn mean that any category for it would also have to use that English-language name rather than a Portuguese name -- so no prejudice against future recreation of a {{cl|Alentejo Line}} once there are at least five things to file in it, but the category shouldn't be named in Portuguese and isn't needed just to hold a single template. Bearcat (talk) 04:34, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete for now per nom. There are very few articles about railway stations in Portugal to begin with and most of them are on the Algarve Line. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete for now. Although the main article is at Linha do Alentejo, there is just not enough content related to this railway line at this point. Place Clichy (talk) 05:54, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. This should be a category for mainspace articles so the template doesn't belong here. This is basically an empty category, alhough I suppose Barreiro railway station should be included. Still, that's a really small category that's not needed currently. Pichpich (talk) 21:06, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu without prejudice against recreation if it can be populated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Films set in Tirunelveli district to :Category:Films set in Tamil Nadu

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT created for just one film. As always, every place that exists does not automatically get its own dedicated "films set in [there]" the moment one film exists to file in it -- there would have to be at least five films to file here before a category was justified, and below five the films should just be categorized at the Tamil Nadu level. Navigation of the Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively winnowing everything down into narrow microcategories of one. Bearcat (talk) 04:12, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge for now with no prejudice to recreation when more articles can be added. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge "Foo family coats of arms" into "Foo coats of arms". (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Family coats of arms to :Category:Coats of arms

:* Propose merging :Category:Scottish family coats of arms to :Category:Scottish coats of arms

:* Propose merging :Category:Spanish family coats of arms to :Category:Spanish coats of arms

:Nominator's rationale: small, overlapping categories that's not distinct from Coats of arms. Mason (talk) 04:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Coats of arms are usually associated with families! Although there are circumstances in which minor members of a family would take a modified coat of arms, and coats of arms attributed to organizations such as cities, I believe that to be the exception rather than the norm. {{Re|Smasongarrison}} I took the liberty to combine three near-identical nominations, please revert that if I did not respect your intention. Place Clichy (talk) 05:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Thanks for taking the initiative!!!! I appreciate it! Mason (talk) 13:14, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Beauregard, Alabama}}

:Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a small town without the volume of spinoff content needed to justify an eponymous category. The only thing that's been filed here is one event that certainly affected the town but wasn't limited to only that town alone, and the only other possible contents (based on a scan of the town's "what links here") are the town itself and one high school in it -- but that would only be three things, still falling short of the five things it takes to warrant an eponymous category. Bearcat (talk) 03:58, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. per nom Mason (talk) 04:02, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Creator requests delete I apologize for not knowing the rules about categories. I'll do better in the future. ChessEric 17:53, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per above, creator is fine with deletion --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy delete now that the creator supports deletion. Pichpich (talk) 20:49, 14 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Radio in Denmark. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Radio in the Faroe Islands}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat Mason (talk) 03:56, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Upmerge to :Category:Radio in Denmark. Other parent categories are already inherited for this article. Place Clichy (talk) 06:00, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per Place Clichy. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per Place Clichy. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. As one of the votes said, wikipedia is not in the business of righting great wrongs. (non-admin closure) Seawolf35 (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American lawyers of Lebanese descent}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|British musicians of Nigerian descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: Triple intersections of nationality, occupation and ethnicity, each created solely to overcategorize one or two people. Per WP:CATEGRS, people are not typically defined by this intersection of traits -- there isn't, for instance, any particular evidence that lawyers of Lebanese descent do the job differently than lawyers of Italian, Japanese, German, Finnish or Indonesian descent do, or that musicians of Nigerian descent sing differently than musicians of Ghanaian, Congolese or Liberian descent. Bearcat (talk) 03:52, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. Singers are defined by the genre or style of their music, not their ancestry. Place Clichy (talk) 06:03, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, trivial intersections. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep for attorneys of Lebanese descent, it helps avoid stereotypes of Arab communities, especially with what is happening in the Middle East right now. It helps people to understand that the Arab-speaking communities are of a diverse collection of cultures, and that there are people from their community that have good jobs as educated professionals. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Starlighsky (talk • contribs)
• Delete as I don't think that this intersection is defining. Also please remember to sign your comments. Mason (talk) 18:50, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Keep as it appears that categories pertaining to American legal professionals of Middle Eastern descent in general are underrepresented. Montgomery28 21:47:20 UTC, 11 October 2023
• Delete as trivial intersections. I would add that Starlighsky's argument above that we should keep the Lebanese lawyers category to right wrong perceptions is an extremely weak one. Montgomery28 seems to make a similar argument though I don't quite understand what they mean. Pichpich (talk) 20:48, 14 October 2023 (UTC)
• 'Delete as trivial intersections. As a human being, I agree with the sentiments expressed by the two keep !voters, but Wikipedia is not in the business of righting great wrongs (in this case, underrepresentation of these minorities in American lawyers). HouseBlaster^talk 00:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Atabekian family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 00:05, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:17, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Khuzani family}}

:Nominator's rationale: small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 00:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 02:09, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Shahristani family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family Mason (talk) 00:04, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 13:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

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