Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 October 18

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. However, it will be purged. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Amsberg to :Category:House of Amsberg

:Nominator's rationale: This was the only category I saw in the :category:German noble families that wasn't either called "House of FOO", or "FOO family" or "FOOians". I noticed that the page is named: "Amsberg", but the bolded name is "House of Amsberg" Mason (talk) 23:38, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• Purge, it is not a defining characteristic of members of the Dutch royal family. Prince Claus of the Netherlands still belongs here, but he married into the House of Orange-Nassau. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:11, 19 October 2023 (UTC)
• Don't rename. We should match the name of the article. No objection to purging. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:14th-century Norwegian people. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 00:56, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:14th-century Norwegian people by occupation to :Category:14th-century Norwegian people

:Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization, there's only one occupation in this category. :Category:14th-century Norwegian writers‎ Even if you include the other occupation(ish) category of :Category:14th-century Norwegian monarchs, I still think it's just making it harder to navigate at the moment. Mason (talk) 23:20, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:14, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete A redirect can be created editorially if needed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sailboat types built by Edel}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, this is an exact duplicate of :Category:Sailboat type designs by Maurice Edel. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:36, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

::Support. Would it be worthwhile to include a redirect? I think that Edel is the company, while Maurice is the person. Mason (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

::* I do not know if Edel is the name of the company. If you have some kind of confirmation about that then a redirect is certainly fine. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:17, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Catto family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family. Are a father-son pair. no cat interlanguage links Mason (talk) 03:35, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I started this category but soon regretted it and agree that it should be deleted Rcb1 (talk) 09:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)rcb1

• {{ping|Rcb1}} you may well depopulate the category and tag the category page with {{Db-self}}. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:26, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:15, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Latsis family}}

:Nominator's rationale: small cat (n=2) father-son pair without a corresponding eponymous article about the family. category has 1 interlanguage link (but it still seems unlikely for growth). Mason (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: purge but keep. Specifically, implement Place Clichy's suggestion to purge everything but "context explicitly linked to Arab ethnicity". {{yo|Place Clichy|Marcocapelle|Smasongarrison}} I would also like to take a moment to say that this is an example of Wikipedia discussion at its best. This is probably the best discussion I have had the pleasure of closing; thank you for your thoughtful contributions! (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 14:44, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Arab Christians to :Category:Christians in the Middle East

:Nominator's rationale: rename, the current name is inaccurate because often Christians in the Middle East do not identify as Arab, as is also recognized in article Arab Christians. If kept, then purge most subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:15, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

• Keep but purge national subcategories. It is disagreeable that people would use Arab container categories for people from countries deemed to be Arabic, a very wrong assumption (e.g. {{Cl|Egyptian Christians}}). Marcocapelle is right to point out that many or most people belonging to a Christian minority in an otherwise Arab country will not automatically self-identify as Arabs. However, some do. Article Arab Christians clearly shows that this is a thing, and it should be assumed to be defining when editors explicitly placed an article either directly in this category or in select child categories {{C|Arab Christians in Mesopotamia}}, {{C|Arab Christian saints}}, {{C|Israeli Arab Christians}} or {{C|Ghassanid kings}} (a Christian pre-Islamic Arab tribe). I believe it to be also the case for {{Cl|Antiochian Greek Christians}}, as main article Antiochian Greek Christians states that members of this religious community strongly identify with Arab nationalism since the 19th century, a topic which even has its own article. Place Clichy (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support rename, but purge national subcategories. per Place Clichy Mason (talk) 20:14, 10 October 2023 (UTC)

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: There appears to be consensus for purging the national subcats, but should this category be kept or renamed?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster^talk 02:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• {{ping|Smasongarrison}} I think it is a matter of either/or: either we rename or we purge. If we rename there is no longer a reason to purge. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
• : Ahh sorry, I should have clarified. i meant that I support the rename, but if we keep the original name, we should purge like you suggested. however, I think either end product would be fine. and I could see implementing both categories trees. Mason (talk) 12:07, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
• {{Re|Marcocapelle}} Actually, there is already {{Cl|Middle Eastern Christians}} for Christians of the region, Arab or not. All national sub-categories in {{Cl|Arab Christians}} are already there ({{C|Bahraini Christians}}, {{C|Egyptian Christians}}, {{C|Iraqi Christians}}, {{C|Jordanian Christians}}, {{C|Lebanese Christians}}, {{C|Palestinian Christians}}, {{C|Syrian Christians}}, and {{C|Yemeni Christians‎}}). So I still suggest to purge these geography-based categories from {{Cl|Arab Christians}} and keep it strictly for content explicitly linked to Arab ethnicity (which I listed above). Place Clichy (talk) 13:58, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:* That is a wholly acceptable alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:50, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

:*:Agree. That sounds great! Mason (talk) 23:25, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Political party alliances in South Korea}}

:Nominator's rationale: One page in it, there are other alliances but they form and dissolve pretty quickly toobigtokale (talk) 00:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Political party alliances in Asia rather than delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:33, 18 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge to :Category:Political party alliances in Asia per Marcocapelle. HouseBlaster^talk 14:38, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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