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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Male radio presenters}}

:Nominator's rationale: Single-entry WP:SMALLCAT. Although this is technically expandable, it's far from clear whether that would actually be valuable -- as per WP:CATEGRS, categories for women do not always need to be balanced against equivalent categories for men as a matter of course, but rather it depends on context.
Like many jobs, radio broadcasting was very disproportionately seen as "man's work" for much of history, with women vastly underrepresented until at least the 1970s and possibly more like the 1980s -- meaning that this would be an unbrowsably massive megacategory for a good 75 per cent of all the articles we have about radio broadcasters. We categorize women because they're an underrepresented minority, whose participation in radio broadcasting as a career occasions sociological study -- so the relationship between career and gender is only defining for women in this instance, because it's a field where only women get gender-based analysis of the relationship between their career and their gender. Men in broadcasting are just broadcasters, and only women are "gendered broadcasters". Bearcat (talk) 19:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:15, 23 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:18, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Universo Paralello}}

:Nominator's rationale: The scope is unclear, possibly WP:NONDEF. Universo Paralello currently redirects to Bahia#Universo Paralello, but the category contains only Re'im music festival massacre. Brandmeister^talk 18:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, not a defining characteristic of the article. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename/merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Calgary to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Calgary

:* Propose renaming :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Edmonton to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Edmonton

:* Propose merging :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Hamilton, Ontario to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Hamilton, Ontario

:* Propose merging :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Montreal to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Montreal

:* Propose renaming :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Ottawa to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Ottawa

:* Propose renaming :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Regina, Saskatchewan to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Regina, Saskatchewan

:* Propose merging :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Toronto to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Toronto

:* Propose merging :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Vancouver to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Vancouver

:* Propose renaming :Category:Grey Cups hosted in Winnipeg to :Category:Canadian football competitions in Winnipeg

:Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE User:Namiba 18:11, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Procedural comment, most of these category pages have not been tagged yet. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:They have all been tagged now--User:Namiba 17:18, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom, with the proviso that this would also empty out {{cl|Grey Cups by host city}}, which should likely be tagged for deletion accordingly. Bearcat (talk) 22:18, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Fictional people by ethnicity and nationality

:Nominator's rationale: rename, these are categories by intersections of ethnicity and nationality, so it should be "and" rather than "or". Marcocapelle (talk) 12:46, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

::Oppose. Every single subcategory within :Category:Fictional people by ethnic or national origin is titled "Fictional X people by ethnicity or nationality". This is supposed to be a fictional counterpart to :Category:People by ethnic or national origin, which contains subcategories with a similar naming pattern. AHI-3000 (talk) 18:48, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

::* Every subcategory is a nationality subcategory, diffused by ethnicity. Good point about :Category:People by ethnic or national origin, that category should be renamed similarly. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Withdraw, while most of the content is about ethnicity there is also some content about descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Murderers for life insurance money}}

:Nominator's rationale: These murders are defined by their actions, not their motivations thus making this a trivial intersection. User:Namiba 16:11, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

• Weak oppose, the insurance money aspect is mentioned quite prominently in many articles, I am not convinced yet that it is trivial. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:00, 13 October 2023 (UTC)

::Categorizing motivation behind an action is extremely difficult. Take, for example, Harry T. Hayward. The article states "On December 3, 1894, Ging's body was found, shot behind the ear, on a road near Lake Calhoun. It was later revealed that Hayward had persuaded her to purchase a $10,000 life insurance policy which named him as sole beneficiary." That's the sole mention of insurance. Beyond simply being trivial, I also believe it fails WP:SUBJECTIVECAT.--User:Namiba 12:32, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster^talk 11:49, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. Not defining. Bearcat (talk) 19:43, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:22, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|18th century in Germany by city}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No need to merge, the subcategory is already in :Category:18th century in Prussia and :Category:18th century in Europe by city. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Arabs in the Middle East. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:26, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Arabs in West Asia to :Category:Arabs in the Middle East.

:Nominator's rationale: Because there is Egypt in it, {{tq|not to be confused with people from West Asia, which includes people from the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt}}. Yorkporter (talk) 11:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Comment, alternatively we may just purge the Egyptian subcategory. West Asia nicely complements :Category:Arabs in North Africa but I do not feel strongly about it. Overall it seems a bit redundant to have a category tree for Middle East and a tree for West Asia but I do not have a preference which one to keep. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:58, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
• Rename. Consistent with {{Cl|Ethnic groups in the Middle East}} and {{Cl|Middle Eastern people}}, which are more consistent, older and better-organized than the "West Asia" categories. Place Clichy (talk) 23:10, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People of the Patriottentijd to :Category:18th-century Dutch politicians

:Nominator's rationale: manually merge, narrow category (the Patriottentijd covers only 7 years) and not very defining for most people in this category, since they were mostly active before and after the Patriottentijd as well. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:00, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Manually merge per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:08, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 13:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge/delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Marxist poets by nationality‎

:* Propose merging :Category:Canadian Marxist poets to :Category:Marxist poets

:* Propose deleting :Category:Salvadoran Marxist poets

:* Propose deleting :Category:French Marxist poets

:* Propose deleting :Category:German Marxist poets

:* Propose deleting :Category:Pakistani Marxist poets‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Spanish Marxist poets‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:British Marxist poets‎

:* Propose deleting :Category:Czech Marxist poets added 21 October

:Nominator's rationale: merge/delete, redundant category tree since every article save one is already in the tree of :Category:Communist poets. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Update, this nomination now also includes :Category:Czech Marxist poets, which was nominated earlier by User:Smasongarrison, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:28, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge/delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:11, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Indian Marxist poets}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, the articles are already in sub:Category:Indian Communist poets. The only exception Ram Vilas Sharma was a Marxist writer but not a Marxist poet per se. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American Marxist poets}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, the only article in the category is not clearly about someone who wrote Marxist poetry. There is very little about Marxist affiliation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:09, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• :Support per nom Mason (talk) 22:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Place Clichy (talk) 23:12, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:19th-century Thai physicians to :Category:19th-century Thai people and :Category:Thai physicians

:Nominator's rationale: duel merge, as right now it's an overcat. only 2 people in the category Mason (talk) 05:54, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Dual merge (not split), per nom, and also move Wongsa Dhiraj Snid under :Category:19th-century physicians. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Leclercq family}}

:Nominator's rationale: Small cat without a corresponding eponymous article about the family. Are a father-son pair. no cat interlanguage links Mason (talk) 05:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:27, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politicians from Kwara State to :Category:Kwara State politicians

:Nominator's rationale: overlapping category Mason (talk) 04:06, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, two categories with identical scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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:* Propose merging :Category:Politicians from Adamawa state to :Category:Adamawa State politicians

:Nominator's rationale: overlapping categories Mason (talk) 04:04, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

• Merge, two categories with identical scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:28, 20 October 2023 (UTC)
• Merge per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 11:10, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

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