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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:NFL marching bands to :Category:National Football League marching bands

:Nominator's rationale: C2C. Trivialist (talk) 23:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:38, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sovietism}}

:Nominator's rationale: As category statute itself states, {{tq|"Articles relating to Sovietisms, the neologisms and cliches in the Russian language of the epoch of the Soviet Union."}} But this is perfectly covered by :Category:Soviet phraseology, for the first. For the second, someone included into it the categories Neo-Sovietism‎ (3 C, 32 P) Stalinism‎ (16 C, 112 P)

:whicxh have nothing to do with " neologisms and cliches in the Russian language". - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, or possibly convert to a soft redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) to :Category:Rocky (franchise)

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky characters to :Category:Rocky (franchise) characters

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) films to :Category:Rocky (franchise) films

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) mass media to :Category:Rocky (franchise) mass media

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) music to :Category:Rocky (franchise) music

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) soundtracks to :Category:Rocky (franchise) soundtracks

:*Propose renaming :Category:Rocky (film series) video games to :Category:Rocky (franchise) video games

:*Propose renaming :Category:Songs from Rocky (film series) to :Category:Songs from Rocky (franchise)

:Nominator's rationale: C2D per Rocky (franchise). Charles Essie (talk) 21:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Rename, this could have been listed at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:09, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus with no prejudice against speedy renomination for a merge. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:07, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia to :Category:19th-century churches in New Caledonia

:Nominator's rationale: Broaden this category to include 19th-century churches of all denominations. There are only two pages in here, and 4 total in the entire Roman Catholic churches in New Caledonia Mason (talk) 23:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:19th century in New Caledonia. Even this category is so small that :Category:19th-century churches in New Caledonia is certainly not viable. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:13, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
• Keep for categorising under the dependent territory and the continent category trees. (Otherwise combine with the counterparts for other territoires d'outre-mer, collectivités d'outre-mer, pays d'outre-mer and collectivités sui generis.) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:19, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

:* Both the rename and the merge proposal are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory, so this is not a reason to oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:22, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

::* In that case either keep as it is, or, less preferably, keep a big tent category for Roman Catholic churches of all collectivités d'outre-mer along with the sole pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 09:27, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

:::* I countered your argument in my previous reply. Then it does not make sense to repeat your "keep" without any new argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:57, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

:::*:FYI to the closer this IP is probably WP:LTA/HKGW Mason (talk) 02:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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::::* Marcocapelle you didn't have a single word on the big-tent proposal on a category for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis. What's your take? (...{{teal|are keeping the content in the tree of the the dependent territory}}... And no I don't mean generally the tree under Category:Dependent territories but Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory specifically.) 61.244.93.97 (talk) 08:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

:::::* :Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory is a container category i.e. not a merge target for a category populated with articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

::::::* So what's your take in the big-tent proposal for all collectivités d'outre-mer, the pays d'outre-mer and the collectivité sui generis? Such a category can be placed under {{cat|19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory}}. 61.244.93.97 (talk) 07:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

::::::*:No one is removing the category from Roman Catholic church buildings by dependent territory, you're just imposing unnecessary layers that at the present do not help navigation. Mason (talk) 23:10, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

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::@Marcocapelle, @Mason, any compromise here? — Qwerfjkltalk 17:37, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Films set in the Rajput Empire to :Category:Films set in Rajput kingdoms

:Nominator's rationale: rename, the category contains films set in various Rajput kingdoms, e.g. the kingdom of Mewar. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 19:50, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:39, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Arab gangs to :Category:Lebanese mafia

:Nominator's rationale: rename, these are Lebanese mafia gangs. Arab is inaccurate, since many Lebanese people do not identify as Arab. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

::Oppose, because I think this category should be kept so that :Category:Arab gangs can be merged into it. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

:::Wait, what? You want :Category:Arab gangs to merged into itself? NLeeuw (talk) 07:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

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• support that the name is bad, but caveat: it should not only be renamed, but recategorized as well, because "Gangs" and "mafia" are different category trees. - Altenmann >talk 22:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy rename per WP:C2D. Main article is Lebanese mafia. NLeeuw (talk) 19:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Fighter aircraft operators. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:41, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Companies that operate fighter jets to :Category:Companies that operate fighter aircraft

:Nominator's rationale: Not sure whether this is an appropriate category, but if so it should align with :Category:Fighter aircraft. – Fayenatic London 11:25, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

::Support I think it's okay to standardize this on "aircraft" instead of "jets". I'm unaware of any companies that currently operate fighters with propellers at a similar scale. Edward Sandstig (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

• Alt rename to :Category:Fighter aircraft operators; compare :Category:Seaplane operators. There are no other catnames with "companies that operate" or "companies operating" in it; just "operators" will do, and :Category:Seaplane operators (which are all commercial airlines) are the closest example of that. Compare also :Category:Lists of aircraft operators by aircraft type. I think it's an appropriate category; it's for private companies in the defence sector which test fighter aircraft and train pilots, and that makes sense. NLeeuw (talk) 07:45, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
• :@Fayenatic london @Sandstig What do you think of my suggestion? NLeeuw (talk) 19:49, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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• Thank you, NLeeuw. Support Alt rename. I would also create a parent company :Category:Aircraft operators by aircraft type over those three. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
• :Sounds good. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep :Category:Paleontology portal. Merge :Category:Paleontology portals to :Category:Biology portals and :Category:History portals. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Paleontology portal to :Category:Paleontology portals

:Nominator's rationale: These seem to effectively be a duplicate category. I'm bringing the category here in case I'm missing something obvious Mason (talk) 01:39, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

• Keep this is the category for the pages used by Portal:Paleontology. {{Category|Paleontology portals}} is a hierarchical category for categorizing various paleontological portals, such as Portal:Dinosaurs. If we are to organize pages by category instead of using PREFIXINDEX to look up supages, then the category is useful. Now, the proposed merge target only has two entries, so it might instead be upmerged into something else.-- 65.92.247.66 (talk) 04:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
• Merge {{c|Paleontology portals}} to :Category:Biology portals and/or to :Category:History portals, redundant category layer with only two portals. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
• :Note: any merger would remove {{c|Paleontology portals}} (plural). We should keep the nominated {{c|Paleontology portal}} (singular) to hold the subpages within one portal, because {{c|Biology portals}} (plural) and {{c|History portals}} do not do this job: instead, they serve a different maintenance purpose of holding the portals within one subject area. Certes (talk) 09:50, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
• :* That is a very good point, I will tag {{c|Paleontology portals}} too. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
• Keep but consider merging the plural form instead, as discussed above. Certes (talk) 14:24, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Rajput era}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic of the articles in the category. In fact the category is quite a hodgepodge of unrelated articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: upmerge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:49, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Volvo Open Cup}}

:Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful category, as it contains only one article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:41, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

::Comment. It contains two pages now. If not kept, it should be merged to the relevant parent categories, rather than deleted. Mason (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Merge to all parent categories per above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. If OP wishes to pursue this nomination further, they are welcome to renominate while tagging all of the categories (User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD can help with that) and presenting a substantive reason for deletion. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Women's firsts}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women attorneys general}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women chief justices}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women governors}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women mayors}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women government ministers}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women presidents}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First women legislative speakers}}

:Nominator's rationale: Created by a user who was indefinitely blocked for disruptive behavior. Векочел (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Procedural close. The nominator makes no valid argument for deletion. The editor in question was not evading a ban at the time their account was created; the fact that they were deemed disruptive seven months after they created the category is wholly irrelevant. ——Serial Number 54129 17:16, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep/Comment. most of these nominations are not tagged. Further, I don't think this is a good reason to nominate a category. These categories seem defining to me as many first female FOO are described as such in the lead. If not kept, the categories should be merged to the relevant women/female occupation categories. Mason (talk) 21:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:1950s in Ajmer to :Category:History of Ajmer

:Nominator's rationale: merge, Ajmer State only existed for six years, so there is no need for diffusion by century or decade. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

::Support per nom. Mason (talk) 21:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India and make hidden. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Districts of India by name}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, "by name" is not diffusing anything. In theory the category should be merged to :Category:Districts of India but the content is already in that target's subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Rename to :Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of India, like :Category:Wikipedia categories named after districts of England. Apparently it should then be made a hidden category. – Fayenatic London 10:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Ok, it is not clear to me what purpose this has, but let's then just apply this existing convention. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|German pies}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is no concept of "pie" in Germany other than as something imported from Britain or the US, compare :de:Pie. Calling these particular German Kuchen "pies" is WP:SYNTH original research. See discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Germany#Zwetschgenkuchen. —Kusma (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

::There is a corresponding template, compare Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_April_13#Template:German_pies. —Kusma (talk) 13:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, the three articles are already in :Category:German cakes which is a better place for them. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:38, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete; agree with Kusma that the concept of pie (as a separate category of food from cake) seems to have no meaning in German cuisine. Valereee (talk) 14:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom, Marco and Valereee. NLeeuw (talk) 03:17, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Agreed, there is no such thing as pies in German cuisine, and all three of the entries listed here are cakes, not pies. Ejgreen77 (talk) 20:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge to :Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and :Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:05, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Battles involving the Pratihara Empire to :Category:Wars involving the Pratihara Empire and :Category:Battles involving the Indian kingdoms

:Nominator's rationale: merge for now, currently just one article in the category, without objection to recreate the category when some more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Dual upmerge for now without prejudice per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 03:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge the categories but Keep the templates. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 00:05, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|1940s jazz album stubs}} and {{lt|1940s-jazz-album-stub}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|2020s jazz album stubs}} and {{lt|2020s-jazz-album-stub}}

:Nominator's rationale: The templates, {{tl|1940s-jazz-album-stub}} and {{tl|2020s-jazz-album-stub}}, were created a year ago without being proposed at WP:WSS/P. With very few articles to populate the categories, I notified the creator and upmerged the templates, negating the need for these two categories. The categories were recently recreated (without any proposal) but still only contain 2 and 5 articles. The templates should either be upmerged again or outright deleted due to the low number of candidates, but there is no need yet for the categories. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 07:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Keep templates as part of a series in :Category:Jazz album stubs, but merge categories to parents as too small. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28010202 finds only 15 stub articles for 2020s jazz albums. https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=28010212 finds only 8 for 1940s. – Fayenatic London 09:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Amend templates so that they upmerge; Delete categories as being insufficiently populated to satisfy WP:WSS. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 15:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Yes, exactly. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:39, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Warsaw Veterinary Institute alumni}}

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Do we really need such a deep category tree for a single alumnus? Neither of the institutions have wikipedia pages Don State Agrarian University, Warsaw Veterinary Institute. Mason (talk) 04:27, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete (rather than upmerge) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 17:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|United States Sports Academy}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Central Penn College}}

:Nominator's rationale: These categories only have the eponymous article in it and the logo of the college. In theory, upmerge for now, but in reality, delete because the page is already categorized. Mason (talk) 04:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

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