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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:22, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Characters designed by Toby Fox}}

:Nominator's rationale: You may not agree with this, however I'm nominated this category deletion since every article (except Gaster) is also in the category for undertale characters. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 00:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:01, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete It's just redundant. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:43, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Alt merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:52, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Intersex lesbians to :Category:Intersex gay people

:* Propose merging :Category:Intersex gay men to :Category:Intersex gay people

:Nominator's rationale: Merge both to intersex gay people as separately they are too small, also based on :Category:Non-binary gay people (though it should be noticed that :Category:Gay people is a soft redirect). See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 30#Category:Intersex lesbians and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Category:Intersex transgender people. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:37, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose, we do not have a category tree for gay people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Marcocappelle. If the intersections are too small, they should be deleted, but the proposed name doesn't fit in the category tree.--Trystan (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Marcocapelle. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• Merge to the respective gendered subcategories of :Category:Intersex people. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 18:34, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

:* That is an ok alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

:* OK with me too.--Trystan (talk) 13:49, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

:*Also works for me. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 16:07, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Meuse-Argonne American Cemetery}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, it only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory, which isn't helpful for navigation. Thd subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:23, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Politics of Lorraine to :Category:History of Lorraine and :Category:Politics of Grand Est

:Nominator's rationale: merge, Lorraine is meanwhile a defunct administrative division, now part of Grand Est. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:24, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|ZeniMax Media stubs}}

:Nominator's rationale: Insufficiently large stub category for ZeniMax Media and its subsidiaries. Most pages are already tagged with at least one genre stub type. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 21:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:13, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{lc|Category:Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball players‎}} to :Category:Wingate University alumni

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Category:Wingate Bulldogs women's basketball‎}}

:Nominator's rationale: Both of the categories exist for one member, Ginny Boggess. Qwerfjkltalk 16:51, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Merge/delete per nom, completely unnecessary. Let'srun (talk) 14:07, 26 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:31, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles in Baden-Württemberg to :Category:Military history of Baden-Württemberg

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles in Bavaria‎ to :Category:Military history of Bavaria‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Brandenburg to :Category:Military history of Brandenburg

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles in Hesse‎ to :Category:Military history of Hesse‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to :Category:Military history of Lower Saxony

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania to :Category:Military history of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern

:** Sidenote: Its parent :Category:History of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania is currently being speedy-renamed to :Category:History of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern per WP:C2C because of grandparent :Category:Mecklenburg-Vorpommern; follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 31#Category:Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania. {{done}}

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in North Rhine-Westphalia‎ to :Category:Military history of North Rhine-Westphalia‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Rhineland-Palatinate‎ to :Category:Military history of Rhineland-Palatinate‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Saarland to :Category:Military history of Saarland

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles in Saxony to :Category:Military history of Saxony

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Saxony-Anhalt to :Category:Military history of Saxony-Anhalt

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Schleswig-Holstein‎ to :Category:Military history of Schleswig-Holstein‎

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Thuringia‎ to :Category:Military history of Thuringia‎

:* And lastly, Propose merging :Category:Battles by location in Germany to :Category:Military history of Germany by state, as all the former's children will have been upmerged to the latter's current children, or will have been renamed; by merging, the renamed categories can be automatically re-parented to that category as well.

:Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See also recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 16:26, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Rename (or merge) per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Showrunners of animated shows to :Category:Showrunners of animated series

:Nominator's rationale: I made a mistake when I created this category. We consistently use the term series and not show to describe TV, so it should be changed for consistency. JDDJS (talk to me • see what I've done) 15:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

::This rename is a good idea and I definitely support it. Using "series" rather than "shows" certainly makes sense. Historyday01 (talk) 03:38, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy rename per WP:C2E. NLeeuw (talk) 16:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys football seasons to :Category:Arkansas Tech Wonder Boys football

:Nominator's rationale: Category lacks subjects Let'srun (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thrace to :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Thessalonica to :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars

:* Propose upmerging :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars in Macedonia to :Category:Battles of the Byzantine–Bulgarian Wars

:Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. See also recent precedents. NLeeuw (talk) 13:54, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Dual or triple merge for now. While the parent categories still exist, we shouldn't remove content from them. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:12, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Agreed. Hence my upmerging step by step approach. NLeeuw (talk) 05:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles involving the Medes to :Category:Battles involving the Median kingdom

:Nominator's rationale: Each of the battles in this category took place during the existence of the Median kingdom ({{circa}} 678 BCE–{{circa}} 550 BCE), namely in 614 BCE or later. It is better to categorise battles by states involved than with the people dominating that state, unless they had no state of their own, but the Medes did have this kingdom throughout this period. NLeeuw (talk) 13:01, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Not sure. The existence of a Median kingdom seems to be controversial. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:15, 25 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Yes, but only its early existence. {{tq|By 612 BCE, the Medes became strong enough to overthrow the declining Assyrian Empire in alliance with the Babylonians. However, contemporary scholarship tends to be skeptical about the existence of a united Median kingdom or state, at least for most of the 7th century BCE.}} I would recommend a close reading of the following paragraph: {{tq|The Medes reappear in contemporary sources about forty years later in 615 BCE, under the leadership of Cyaxares (....). therefore, the Median kingdom most likely emerged after 627, or possibly already after 631 BCE.}}
• :The battles in this category are all from 614 BCE or later, by which time most scholars agree a Median kingdom existed, led by king Cyaxares. NLeeuw (talk) 05:12, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• :* Ah ok. Then support on that basis. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:48, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:30, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Interleague play}}

:Nominator's rationale: Contents are mostly about historical MLB rivalries, not about interleague play. All of these can be found in :Category:Major League Baseball rivalries or in the categories of respective leagues (MLB and NPB). Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:59, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:2010s in Sidon to :Category:History of Sidon

:Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in this category, which is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:53, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Upmerge for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 16:20, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 17:00, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Works set in abandoned buildings and structures to :Category:Fiction set in abandoned buildings and structures

:Nominator's rationale: rename, this is follow-up after this earlier discussion, it is a first trial nomination. The word "setting" is only or mainly used in the context of fiction. With non-fiction we use "works about" rather than "works set in". The proposal is to rename the subcategories and purge any non-fiction that is still in them. I don't think there is any non-fiction in the currently nominated subcategory though. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

: {{ping|LaundryPizza03|Zxcvbnm|RevelationDirect|Jc37}} pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

• Commment/Question I agree "set" implies fiction. One possible alternative to changing the (potential) scope might be to change the wording. Looking at :Category:Television shows by location, which includes tons of allegedly non-fiction reality shows, would :Category:Works located in abandoned buildings and structures work as an alternative? (This is a sincere question, I'm open to either approach so long as we follow this trial nomination with renaming the rest.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:47, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. @{{u|Marcocapelle}} That prior discussion was based on flawed reasoning. The assumption that setting is not related to non-fiction writing is categorically false. As any English teacher would tell you, literary non-fiction also includes setting as a defining feature (see https://study.com/academy/lesson/literary-nonfiction-essays-diaries-letters-more.html where setting is listed as the third defining element of literary non-fiction). It’s ill advised to move an entire category tree structure that is working, and the tree does include some non-fiction works mixed in with the fiction where appropriate. There are literary non-fiction works that are encyclopedic and as setting is a defining element of those works, they should be categorized by setting. The current structure works well for both fiction and non-fiction literature and I see no reason to start differentiating in this way.4meter4 (talk) 13:08, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - This isn't a strong oppose, because I think I see the reasoning, but opposing because a non-fiction work (or a fiction one, for that matter) can be set in a location, and not be about the location. - jc37 19:50, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• Keep It is evident that the prior CfD set a precedent that we should follow. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 00:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

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