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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Closed churches in New York (state) to :Category:Former churches in New York (state)

:Nominator's rationale: Overlapping category, unclear what's the difference between closed/former Mason (talk) 23:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. My guess is that the distinction refers to demolished versus repurposed, but even if so I agree they can be merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging {{lc|Category:Works about same-sex sexuality}} to :Category:Works about LGBT topics

:* Propose merging {{lc|Category:Non-fiction books about same-sex sexuality‎}} to :Category:LGBT non-fiction books

:* Propose merging {{lc|Category:Documentary films about same-sex sexuality}} to :Category:Documentary films about LGBT topics

:Nominator's rationale: Parent category splitted. Should them be merged or renamed then? --MikutoH ^talk! 22:57, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Reasons I believe this should be renamed at least: the term is imprecise and isn't widely used, different from "same-sex attraction" or "same-sex marriage". It's also cisnormative. Could it be named same-gender? I'm not sure. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:21, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

:::Though I believe it's grouping non-gender LGBT identities, but it's also separating transgender from LGBT sexual orientations in :Category:Works about LGBT topics. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:23, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose It was the wrong choice to "split"/merge the parent category too.★Trekker (talk) 23:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Question. What is the alternative proposal? I really don't understand what the nominator is hoping to accomplish with the merge/rename without a target or proposal. Mason (talk) 00:25, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• :* I am assuming that the intended merge target is the LGBT parent category, but it would be helpful if User:MikutoH would add this to the nomination explicitly. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• :*:I meant upmerging (that's still a new word for me). MassCFD didn't provide an option to where I wanted to merge for me. So "Works about LGBT topics" for "Works about same-sex sexuality", or more if needed. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:47, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• :*::{{Added}}. --MikutoH ^talk! 23:56, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, the rationale isn't very relevant because :Category:Homosexuality still exists. The question is more if we should rename :Category:Homosexuality to :Category:Same-sex sexuality or, the other way around, whether we should rename :Category:Works about same-sex sexuality to :Category:Works about homosexuality. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose completely unnecessary, and to be honest somewhat offensive. "Same-sex sexuality" and "LGBT topics" are not synonyms. Homosexuality, bisexuality and being transgender aren't all the same thing. The rationale {{tq|It's also cisnormative}} doesn't really apply either, all four terms in the acronym LGBT are cisnormative. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 08:11, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Video game music. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:32, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Ludomusicology}}

:Nominator's rationale: This category contains only the main subject and one other article. The subject is rather niche anyway. It is very unlikely that it will ever contain more. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Merge to :Category:Video game music. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:44, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, it seems helpful to keep the articles in :Category:Video game music. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:09, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:24, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:30, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|User cu-N}}

:Nominator's rationale: Nonsense category created by locked account, nobody can be a native speaker of Old Church Slavonic which is an ancient language no longer actively spoken. Partial refiling of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category enforcement which closed as no consensus due to zero participation (I decided the rest of that nomination is not worth caring about) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Besides both user accounts in the category are blocked. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• : I deleted the second one as a G5, so now it's down to one account. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:05, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support as nominated.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge/rename as nominated. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:02, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Propose merging or reverse merging with redirect

• :Category:User jv-x-bms to :Category:User map-bms
• :Category:User jv-x-bms-1 to :Category:User map-bms-1
• :Category:User jv-x-bms-3 to :Category:User map-bms-3
• :Category:User jv-x-bms-N to :Category:User map-bms-N
• :Category:User nap-x-tara to :Category:User roa-tara
• :Category:User nap-x-tara-1 to :Category:User roa-tara-1
• :Category:User nap-x-tara-N to :Category:User roa-tara-N
• :Category:User nrm to :Category:User nrf (the description of the former category is wrong, these are actually the same language)
• :Category:User nds-NL to :Category:User nds-nl
• :Category:User nds-NL-1 to :Category:User nds-nl-1
• :Category:User nds-NL-2 to :Category:User nds-nl-2

Nominator's rationale Refiling Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#Babel category duplicates, which was closed as no consensus due to insufficient participation (nobody other than me and the creator commented). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Note: in the previous discussion, creator clearly misunderstood what was being proposed. Support at least :Category:User nrm to :Category:User nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose deleting "nrf": this is the ONLY correct language code for Norman (some Wikimedia wikis has used "nrm" for Norman, but they are wrong as this code is for a completely unrelated Asian language: Narom; this is wa wellknown historic error made by Wikimedia that forgot to check valid codes in ISO 639 or IANA databases; if it was created today, using "nrm" for Norman would be rejected, "nrf" is assigned since years in ISO 639). "NRM" is already marked has need migration to "NRF" to leave the place for Narom. Wikidata rejects the use of "nrm" for Norman in its data (it is still accepted only in interwiki links to existing Norman Wikipedia, as long as it is not fully renamed).
  The description of the category is perfectly correct: these are NOT at all the same language.
  In the mean time, Narom users should be able to contribute and speak about their language, even if for now they cannot have their own localized wiki, so they have to use some other projects spaces in other localized wikis or international wikis, for example in Wiktionary and Wikidata where their vocabulary is being fed already with "nrm". In HTML/SVG/XML markup the lang attribute used is already "nrf" for Norman. In Wiktionary editions, and in Wikidata, Norman terms are tagged and indexed with "nrf", not ""nrm". Do not confuse legacy Wikimedia interwiki codes (which are bound to Internet subdomain names, without being restricted to use only one language or script, even if there's a default language or script) with standard language codes for identifying any contents. verdy_p (talk) 17:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

:* The proposal is not to delete nrf, so it is no use opposing that. The proposal is to move Norman-speaking entries from nrm to nrf. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Support as nominated.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:22, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

• Propose deleting {{lc|User mul}}
• Propose deleting {{lc|User mul-N}}

Nominator's rationale I attempted this exact outcome at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 12#User mul, which got closed as no consensus due to zero participation. My rationale there was:

{{tqb|

Way back in April 2022, I nominated this category for deletion, claiming {{Tq|Recreation of category previously deleted per Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 October 30#Category:Multilingual Wikipedians under a technically accurate but nonsensical name containing only one user who has been inactive since 2007. [...]}}. The creator requested that {{Tq|[I] amend the babel stuff so that {{#Babel:en|mul}} no longer populates a category.}}, which can now be done by editing MediaWiki:Babel-category-override, so the original nomination for deletion is once again valid.

* Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

}}

Maybe the third time's the charm. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, entirely redundant, Wikipedians who speak multiple languages can indicate the level of the various languages they speak. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as nominated.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:20, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

:Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Schools in the Garden State Association of Christian Schools}}

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category. No main page for the group that i could find. Mason (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, mere membership of an association is hardly ever a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as nominated.
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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:29, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Jewish summer camps in Michigan to :Category:Jewish summer camps in the United States and :Category:Jews and Judaism in Michigan and :Category:Summer camps in Michigan

:Nominator's rationale: Triple merge, only one article. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge as nominated.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:LGBT organizations based in Canada. (Noting that the target was speedily renamed from :Category:LGBT organizations in Canada to :Category:LGBT organizations based in Canada.) (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:28, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:LGBT non-profit organizations in Canada to :Category:LGBT organizations in Canada

:Nominator's rationale: Isolated category upmerge for now (probably for ever). non-profit organizations in Canada doesn't exist as a category and neither does LGBT non-profit organizations. Mason (talk) 12:16, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nom, but target should probably be :Category: LGBT organizations based in Canada ForsythiaJo (talk) 00:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:57, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Île-de-France to :Category:Military history of Île-de-France

:Nominator's rationale: WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", but such a category does not yet exist for Île-de-France, so we might as well rename this one. NLeeuw (talk) 16:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

::Courtesy ping {{ping|Marcocapelle}} what do you think? NLeeuw (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• Rename and re-parent per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:24, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• Only if all categories in :Category:Battles by location in France are renamed; it's misleading to have that category but only include an arbitrary selection of regions. Peter James (talk) 01:22, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• :I fully intend to do a follow-up of the remaning children of :Category:Battles by location in France, as I am currently doing for :Category:Battles by location in Germany. I just picked this one as it also has subcategories, as a probe to confirm recent precedents and to prepare for that follow-up to be relatively uncontroversial and broadly supported. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
• ::{{ping|Nederlandse Leeuw}} do you have any objections to me relisting this discussion and tagging the rest of the :Category:Battles by location in France tree? HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• :::@HouseBlaster, No, you'd be doing a great favour, merci monsieur! NLeeuw (talk) 12:13, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes to :Category:Military history of Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Bourgogne-Franche-Comté to :Category:Military history of Bourgogne-Franche-Comté

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Centre-Val de Loire to :Category:Military history of Centre-Val de Loire

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Hauts-de-France to :Category:Military history of Hauts-de-France

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Nouvelle-Aquitaine to :Category:Military history of Nouvelle-Aquitaine

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Occitanie to :Category:Military history of Occitania (administrative region)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles in Pays de la Loire to :Category:Military history of Pays de la Loire

:* Propose merging :Category:Battles in Corsica to :Category:Military history of Corsica

:* Propose deleting :Category:Battles by location in France

:I'll let Nederlandse Leeuw add a rationale. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 12:24, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

:Nominator's rationale (additional nominees): WP:MILMOS#BATTLESIN. Recent precedents have favoured (up)merging to "Military history of X", unless such a category does not yet exist, in which case they are proposed to be renamed to "Military history of X" instead. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany is a closely connected discussion which has already put this into practice.

:(PS: :Category:Battles by location in France could be Upmerged to :Category:Military history of France by location instead of Deleted for logging purposes, but it doesn't make much difference. :Category:Battles by location in Germany is proposed to be merged into :Category:Military history of Germany by state, but such a category does not exist for France "by region" yet, so it could better be created than trying to recycle :Category:Battles by location in France). NLeeuw (talk) 12:46, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Rename and re-parent all per nom. This is my second vote. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Update :Category:Battles by location in Germany closed as {{xt|merge/delete as nominated}}. It would now make sense if this :Category:Battles by location in France discussion would follow that precedent, and have the same outcome, as HouseBlaster and I are proposing. NLeeuw (talk) 07:14, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
• :I think this can be closed. We all agree. NLeeuw (talk) 19:10, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:38, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:New South Wales rugby union team players to :Category:New South Wales Waratahs players

:Nominator's rationale: The two are covering the same team and should be merged. Especially as New South Wales rugby union team redirects to the Waratahs. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

::Merge per nomination. This was the same side. Where is the dividing line drawn? If 1995, as I suspect, that is entirely arbitrary, there was Super 10 (rugby union) and Super 6 Rugby which were predecessor competitions run on exactly the same lines as early Super Rugby. All players at the Waratahs now, as pre-95, have a theoretical club side in the Shute Shield they can play for when not selected. Skeene88 (talk) 08:51, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Perhaps there's a better way, but this was an attempt on my part to differentiate between the professional Super Rugby era iteration of the team and the historical side. This would be in the same way rugby league has :Category:New South Wales Rugby League State of Origin players as a subcat of :Category:New South Wales rugby league team players (though both are captured in the one article). Maybe an option would be to move :Category:New South Wales Waratahs players to :Category:New South Wales Waratahs (Super Rugby) players? Jevansen (talk) 02:23, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep This seems to be a split for players who played pre-professionalism for New South Wales, and then who played Super Rugby for the Waratahs. While the naming probably isn't perfect, I see the split as being suitable to differentiate between those who played the the New South Wales region, and those who played for the team. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2024 (UTC)
• Its still the same team {{ping|Rugbyfan22}} because it seems the Waratah's name was adopted in [https://www.theroar.com.au/2011/06/27/new-south-wales-need-rebranding-as-true-waratahs/ the 1920's]. Just because they turned pro, doesn't mean they stopped being the same side. Rugby was not invented in 1995, the lineage is the same and should be maintained. This is essentially a duplicate category. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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::Merge and listify, I imagine readers would be interested in the players of the pre-1995 era so that seems the easiest way (maybe with a minimum appearance threshold if stats are adequately held to facilitate that?); for the Category, does seem to be a continuous entity so only one cat needed. Crowsus (talk) 13:53, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 17:43, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Newspapers published in Goldfields-Esperance‎}} to :Category:Newspapers of the Goldfields-Esperance region of Western Australia

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Pilbara newspapers}} to :Category:Newspapers of the Pilbara region of Western Australia

:* Propose renaming {{lc|South West Newspapers}} to :Category:Newspapers of the South West region of Western Australia

:Nominator's rationale: I'm proposing renaming these categories for consistency with the following existing categories:

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Mid West region of Western Australia‎}}

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Peel region of Western Australia‎}}

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Wheatbelt region of Western Australia‎}}

:There are also four other regions (the Gascoyne, Great Southern, Kimberley and Perth metropolitan regions) without categories at present, but I plan to work on articles for as many of Australia's newspapers as I can so I expect these categories to be necessary at some point. The only reason for this nomination is for consistency amongst sub-category names, so I wouldn't be opposed to another naming scheme. This one just makes the most sense to me. Adam Black ^{talk • contributions} 16:29, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

::Note: WikiProject Western Australia notified of this discussion. Adam Black ^{talk • contributions} 21:23, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

: Update: I have now created the categories for the remaining three Western Australian regions,

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Gascoyne region of Western Australia}}

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Great Southern region of Western Australia}}

:* {{lc|Newspapers of the Kimberley region of Western Australia}}

: Therefore six of the ten subcategories now follow the same naming scheme. I would also like to add another category to this nomination:

:* Propose renaming {{lc|Newspapers published in Perth, Western Australia‎}} to :Category:Newspapers of the Perth metropolitan region of Western Australia

: The rationale is the same as for the original proposal. Adam Black ^{talk • contributions} 07:30, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge all to :Category:Newspapers published in Western Australia, apart from Perth there is no reason for diffusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• :There are currently 381 Western Australian newspapers listed on Trove alone. Not all of them have articles, and not all of them will be notable enough for their own articles, but I believe a significant portion will be. You haven't really given a rationale for why these categories should all be merged or why Perth should be a standout, just "there is no reason for diffusion". I think it helps readers navigate what could become quite a large category. Adam Black ^{t • c} 12:20, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
• :* I don't think Perth should be a standout. My point is that only if there would be as much content in every category as in Perth's category it would be worthwhile to diffuse. But that is not the case. The current microcategories are merely a hindrance for easy navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

• strong objection to most of this discussions assumptions. As creator of the microcategories in discussion here, they were created in the presumption that the project of the National Library and ALIA to support each state library system to improve content about Australian newspapers state by state to help create content for material in Trove would be something that would be expanded upon regularly. The result in other states is highly variable in quality and organisation - in the Western Australian content there was a library employee who edited on WA content, and there was every hope that there would be followed on editing for more newspapers for each region than is being discussed here. The subsequent lack of followon editing is a case throughout wikipedia, this is not an orphan. I believe how sensible Adam might think he is in wanting to qualify the regional title, or Marco in being a category worker extraordinaire (and that should be noted is much appreciated ), the lack of background always astounds me here at CFD. I think that for the purposes of what the original project had intended, will be made much more of a hell of a mess and difficult to navigate the regional distinctions of western australian geographical range, and how it also affects understanding of the original reasons for the regional separation. As a consequence, I strongly object to reducing to one category, as it interferes with a project that would have increased valid items for each subcategory. As for the renaming - it is paradoxical, in view of many australian places have qualifier state names, whereas here there is no need.JarrahTree 01:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|West London Synagogue}}

:Nominator's rationale: Delete. Only has people who are affiliated with the Synagogue. I guess it would fall under WP:NONDEF. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:19, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::* I suggest it be renamed as People associated with West London Synagogue. 10:27, 29 May 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Headhitter (talk • contribs)

• Delete, it is a case of overcategorization by association, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nomination and Marcocapelle. Categorising every individual by the religious buildings they're associated with would be incredibly tedious, as well as needless overcategorisation. Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 14:18, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete
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:The result of the discussion was: merge :Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to :Category:Military history of Lower Saxony. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to :Category:Battles involving East Frisia

:* Alt proposal 1: renaming :Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to :Category:Military history of East Frisia

:* Alt proposal 2: merging :Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to :Category:Battles in Lower Saxony / :Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (pending outcome of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany)

:Nominator's rationale: Opposed speedy rename.

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• :Category:Battles involving the East Frisians to :Category:Battles involving East Frisia – C2C: Parent :Category:History of East Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Oppose, East Frisia is a region, it is not a (former) state that was a belligerent in a battle. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:16, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

:*:They all involved the County of East Frisia or its predecessors: Saxon feud, Appeal War, Battle of Detern (predecessors Brokmerland and Auricherland), Battle of Norditi (predecessor Norderland; actually involving the Bishop of Bremen-Hamburg, so perhaps it should be Purged). All of these (except Norditi) aren't really about the East Frisians as a people without a state; these are noble/dynastic conflicts between members of reigning families such as Tom Brok, Cirksena and so on.

:*:On the other hand, if this isn't about a state, then we should Purge parent :Category:Wars involving Frisia. NLeeuw (talk) 17:46, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

:*:* Ok, there was an East Frisian polity since 1465, so the Appeal War and the Saxon feud would belong there. But it is not very useful to keep a category for two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

:*:*:True. But I think saying the "East Frisians" as a "people" were involved in these battles is misleading. We could resolve this in several ways, such as populating the category, but I couldn't really find much. Emden Revolution, Battle of Jemmingen (didn't involve East Frisia, just took place in its territory), and Stedinger Crusade (but it is arbitrary to consider the Stedingers "Frisians"; it is not commonly counted amongst East Frisia today or in the past.

:*:*:There are other options, but they require us to translate first, e.g. :de:Geldrische Fehde (Ostfriesland), :de:Schlacht von Jemgum (1533) and :de:Schlacht auf den Wilden Äckern, or their nlwiki equivalents (probably easier for you and me). Perhaps it is better to Rename to something like :Category:Military history of East Frisia? Then again, East Frisia is not an administrative region nowadays, so we hit the "Lorraine" problem. At any rate, I guess we'll have to move to full to solve this, it's not as simple as I thought. NLeeuw (talk) 09:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Added alt proposals. Rationales: Alt proposal 1 seeks to save this as an East Frisia military history category, but it has the "Lorraine" problem, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 13#Category:Military history of Lorraine; East Frisia is not an administrative region in our times. Alt proposal 2 seeks to look for the nearest modern-day administrative region that encompasses the territories associated with East Frisia, and that is the state of Lower Saxony. There is currently already a discussion going on about renaming :Category:Battles in Lower Saxony to :Category:Military history of Lower Saxony (see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 24#Battles by location in Germany), so whatever the outcome of that will be is proposed to be the merge target. {{Ping|Marcocapelle}} FYI. NLeeuw (talk) 10:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Prefer alt2, not all battles are clearly in a former East Frisia state and nom already made clear why alt1 is not a good idea. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Agreed. I'm glad you opposed my speedy, because alt2 will lead to a much better, tenable outcome. NLeeuw (talk) 21:54, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Alt2 is more accurate for currrent content.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:17, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Welcome back! Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

:*:Welcome back William! NLeeuw (talk) 15:21, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:27, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:British writers by ethnic or national origin to :Category:British writers by ethnicity

:Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:17, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support per nomination. Although I'm not sure whether it'd be entirely accurate given :Category:Jewish British writers is in the category. The term "Jewish" encompasses both a religion and ethnicity. Converts to Judaism aren't necessarily ethnically Jewish. Would a rename to :Category:British writers by ethnicity or religion be more appropriate? Adam Black ^{talk • contribs} 15:07, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Jewish subcategories may always be under both "by religion" and "by ethnicity" parents if they exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:50, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Support per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:15, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Canadian writers by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Canadian writers by ethnicity

:Nominator's rationale: Similar to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 18#Category:Canadian musicians by ethnic or national origin. Aldij (talk) 08:14, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:32, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Rename — again, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Malaysian politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Malaysian politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Romanian politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Romanian politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Moldovan politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Moldovan politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Indonesian politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Indonesian politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:French politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:French politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Filipino politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Filipino politicians by descent

:* Propose renaming :Category:Dutch politicians by ethnic or national origin to :Category:Dutch politicians by descent

:Nominator's rationale: Follow up of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 December 10#Container categories by descent and many other similar discussions. Aldij (talk) 08:06, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:35, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 22:02, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Rename — to eliminate "ethnic" "origin". Although, an awful lot of these would be better deleted.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:12, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• Rename per nom. Anonimu (talk) 09:08, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Wars involving Frisia to :Category:Wars involving the Frisians

:Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content, in many of these wars there wasn't a clear Frisia state. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Neutral I'm not convinced the status quo nor the proposal are very tenable. I neither favour nor oppose. NLeeuw (talk) 21:58, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Rename as nominated.
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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Assorted Jelly Beans albums}}

:Nominator's rationale: Both entries are redirects. The band is also a redirect, and doesn't appear to be notable. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, unhelpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. No useful information provided in target; no aid in navigation. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 02:34, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:26, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Gonanes}}

:Nominator's rationale: Contains only the parent compound, which is alredy in :Category:Steroids. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete in the spirit of WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete
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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Turkish people of Hindkowan descent to :Category:People of Hindkowan descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Turkish people of Kashmiri descent to :Category:People of Kashmiri descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Turkish people of Pashtun descent to :Category:People of Pashtun descent

:Nominator's rationale: option A: merge, three categories for only one article is not helpful for navigation. Option B:delete, the article is already in :Category:Emigrants from British India and :Category:Immigrants to the Ottoman Empire which seems to suffice. For a citizen of the Ottoman Empire it is irrelevant which specific Indian ethnicities all of his ancestors had. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:46, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

::I would support either merge or delete, because these categories are very much not helpful for navigation.Mason (talk) 03:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

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• If nobody else reacts, I would prefer option B over option A. Note again that this is just about a single article. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete all (thus option B) per nom. --Aldij (talk) 08:00, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• Delete all
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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:58, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños faculty to :Category:City University of New York faculty

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This is an institute Centro de Estudios Puertorriqueños within Hunter college. This category is too small to be helpful with navigation right now. Mason (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, the upper-level category of City University of New York faculty is for a system of colleges and institutes, and the articles in it should be diffused into the appropriate subcats for each of the different colleges within the system in the same way as categories are done for other university systems. Ideally, all of the articles in the CUNY faculty cat would be diffused into subcats of the different colleges or institutes. Additionally, from what I understand, the centro is housed at Hunter College, but is a separate institute within the CUNY system. Semper Fi FieldMarine (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. No objection to diffusion as such, as long as it colleges are big enough to contain lots of articles, but that does not seem to be the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge as nominated.
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:57, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep :Category:Sugar; rename :Category:Sugars to :Category:Types of sugar. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 04:00, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Sugar to :Category:Sugars

:Nominator's rationale: They are too similar MRTFR55 (talk) 16:34, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

• The names are too similar, ok, but the content isn't. It is clearly a topic category versus a set category. However, :Category:Sugars may be renamed e.g. to :Category:Types of sugar in order to clarify its purpose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
• I agree they are different categories, and :Category:Sugar is consistent with the main article. Peter James (talk) 01:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

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• Agree :Category:Sugar is ok. Fine with rename of :Category:Sugars to "Types of S". Johnbod (talk) 15:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
• As creator, support rename of :Category:Sugars to :Category:Types of sugar. Don't forget to fix the commonscat, as that remains Sugars. It is very sad that folks misunderstand the difference between topic and set categories.
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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Japanese-language-only video games}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is only a single article in this category, first things first. Second things second, literally every single video game that's only available in the Japanese language is already located in the pre-existing category Japan-exclusive video games. You see, Japan really only speak Japanese and not much else. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 01:15, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per WP:NONDEFINING. NLeeuw (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete
  William Allen Simpson (talk) 05:54, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
• :Speedy close, Delet it now. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:54, 3 June 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Analysts of Ayodhya dispute to :Category:Scholars of the Ayodhya dispute

:Nominator's rationale: Alternative name sounds more consistent with other categories in Scholars and academics by subject Mason (talk) 04:01, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

:* Support - as the page creator. I have no objection. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 04:30, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete in the spirit of WP:PERFCAT, this is just one of many topics that the subjects in this category were involved. No objection to listification. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 13 May 2024 (UTC)

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::FWIW: I was on the fence between deletion and renaming when I made the nom. My hope was that other folks who have strong opinions/knowledge. Mason (talk) 03:06, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

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::Delete per Marco. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

• Delete — I'm not sure where any listification would be placed.
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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 03:25, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Meal planning apps}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only a single article inside. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 00:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom, it might not contain any more articles QuantumFoam66 (talk) 19:38, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

:::Delete for now without prejudice. NLeeuw (talk) 21:59, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

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