Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 29#Early religious organizations

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:18th-century Jewish German physicians to :Category:18th-century Jewish physicians and :Category:18th-century German Jews

:Nominator's rationale: Isolated category, upmerge for now. They're already diffused to 18th-century German physicians ^SMason_Garrison 23:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 09:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Cases of people who fell into a well}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Cases of people who fell into a well in fiction}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not clear if this is defining vs. any other type of falling death/injury/etc. I fail to see why it is special besides being odd. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• I am not sure about deletion. If kept, rename to e.g. :Category:People who fell into a well and :Category:Fiction about falling into a well. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::Category:Well-related accidents and incidents and :Category:Fiction about well-related accidents would likely be better, though in the case of the fictional category it's almost certainly full of non-defining works and should be deleted even if the real-life one is kept. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• :* That also works for me. At least let's get rid of the "cases of". Marcocapelle (talk) 10:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• :* I oppose deletion and renaming, since most of the articles in the category deal with cases of people who fell into wells, and not with the biographies of those people. Furthermore, a possible renaming would destroy the category tree in which it is currently located, which considers the category as an "event" and not a set of biographies. Sturm (talk) 23:08, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• :*:The current title is so vague that it fails WP:NONDEF. Cases of (can be any case, not just about the well) people who fell into a well (can have fallen in at any time, not necessarily at the same time the case happened). Meanwhile, "well-related accident" cannot be misinterpreted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• Support :Category:Well-related accidents and incidents and :Category:Fiction about well-related accidents per above. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Hazardous events}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Even innocuous events like parades and rocket launches can technically be hazardous if you do something dumb. And explosions aren't necessarily hazardous if nobody is around. It's unclear if the category is going for "technically hazardous" or "proven to have been hazardous". ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:43, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

::The deletion will create a mess. It is a subcategory of "event by topics"+"hazard". Geysirhead (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Agree in principle. But shouldn't we keep the subcategories in the tree of :Category:Events? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:37, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• :Also, this proposal will create a mess. Geysirhead (talk) 19:29, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• ::No it won't. Everything is already in other subcategories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
• ::* Alright, then support. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 1st century to :Category:Organizations established in the 1st century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 2nd century to :Category:Organizations established in the 2nd century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 3rd century to :Category:Organizations established in the 3rd century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 4th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 4th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 5th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 5th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 6th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 6th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 7th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 7th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 8th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 8th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 9th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 9th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Religious organizations established in the 10th century to :Category:Organizations established in the 10th century

:Nominator's rationale: merge, at least in the first 10 centuries this is a redundant category layer, the Christian subcategories are sufficient. Across the 10 categories there are only three non-Christian articles. These articles Iobakchoi, Tiantai and Islam should be added to the respective century in religion category after the merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment Most of these categories only contain one category and :Category:Religious organizations established in the 1st century is empty. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:40, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Sentientists}}

:Nominator's rationale: Not WP:DEFINING. Most of the list is WP:OR and fails WP:RS, there is no good sourcing describing all these as "Sentientists". There is also a conflict of interest issue as the creator of this category is the owner of the Sentientist website and the people he has added to this category are those that he has interviewed on his podcast. Psychologist Guy (talk) 16:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Not a defining characteristic anyway, but having looked at all 25 people in the cat, the characteristic is only mentioned in the article for three of them (always as self-identification), so the WP:OR argument seems valid to me as well. Felida⁹⁷ (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Women's education by continent to :Category:Women's education by location

:Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Redundant category layer that's not helpful for navigation ^SMason_Garrison 16:08, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge for now. Note that the target was nominated for deletion, as empty, but I removed the tag. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:28, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Global conflicts}}

:Nominator's rationale: There is no clear explanation of what a "global conflict" is for the purpose of this category, and no article on it, only a redirect to world war, which has its own category. :Category:World wars can be merged into some of the parent categories, but otherwise this seems like WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, no clear inclusion criteria. For example the Hundred Years' War lasted long, but for the larger part only two countries were involved, so why global? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Cremastra ‹ u — c › 15:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Violent conflict to :Category:Conflicts by type

:Nominator's rationale: People don't need to be told that war or combat involves a "violent" conflict, that's rather obvious. This is a redundant category layer overall. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:32, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Monorails in Egypt to :Category:Rail transport in Egypt

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry, there are no other monorails in Egypt. LibStar (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Monorails. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:53, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• :Support dual merge. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Psychiatric hospitals in Latvia to :Category:Hospitals in Latvia

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry, and it appears no other psychiatric hospitals in Latvia have a WP article. LibStar (talk) 04:20, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Psychiatric hospitals. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• :Support dual merge. LibStar (talk) 07:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Models from Genoa to :Category:Italian female models

:Nominator's rationale: Only contains 1 entry LibStar (talk) 01:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:People from Genoa. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
• :Support dual merge. LibStar (talk) 07:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Teenage characters in drama television series to :Category:Teenage characters in television

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary differenciation. FishLoveHam (talk) 08:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:59, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Child characters in drama television series to :Category:Child characters in television

:Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary differenciation. FishLoveHam (talk) 08:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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