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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:39, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|English-language news websites without paywall}}

:Nominator's rationale: Whether a news outlet is behind a paywall or not is WP:NONDEFINING. Paywalls can be region-locked, can allow X number of articles before the gate shuts, and so on. It is too arbitrary and capricious to be used in this way. Zaathras (talk) 21:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::Delete And having a payewall is more defining than not having one. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete, per both above. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• A number of child categories have been created. I'd also note the category currently completely ignores Canada and India, amongst others. AusLondonder (talk) 11:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:* I will add the subcategories below. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:37, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American news websites without paywall}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Australian news websites without paywall}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|British news websites without paywall}}

• Delete cat and subcats per nom – ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 12:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Thorough discussion; unlikely a WP:RELIST will help. Editors are, of course, free to create additional subcategories. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Professional wrestling games to :Category:Professional wrestling video games

:Nominator's rationale: This current name is too vague because this category doesn't seem to contain any other type of game. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 20:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Did you check all 137 articles? If the answer is yes then by all means rename. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Rename or split It doesn't matter. If there are articles on things other than video games, go ahead with a new category for those. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:27, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Use of simply "games" is common when there isn't much else that would potentially fit, such as :Category:Indie games. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
• :* Decline your Oppose as I you should have instead said something about non-electronic games in this category, like if there are any
• :QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:13, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
• ::@Zxcvbnm In one of comments you made on my talk page, you basically said that "Decline Oppose" isn't actually an option. Also, other categories similar to this one, such as :Category:Boxing video games and :Category:Basketball video games currently do not use just simply "games". QuantumFoam66 (talk) 21:26, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Fantasy Wrestling is listed, which isn’t really a video game. Would need to be removed if renamed. 173.22.12.194 (talk) 23:17, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Works set on fictional planets. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Counter-Earths to :Category:Works set on Counter-Earths

:Nominator's rationale: Rename due to none of the articles actually being about a fictional Counter-Earth and only consisting of fictional works. Should become a subcategory of :Category:Works by setting with most others removed. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::This would be appropriate for most of the entries, which are titles of fictional works, but the main article, Counter-Earth, refers to the hypothetical body, while Gor and Paira (planet) refer to fictional versions of that body. Instead of a category, perhaps it would be better to list these works in a special section of the article Counter-Earth. This would be analogous to Fifth planet (hypothetical)#Fifth planet in fiction and Claimed moons of Earth#Literature. Goustien (talk) 04:49, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

• Alt merge to :Category:Works set on fictional planets, most of the articles aren't clearly set on the Counter-Earth. Note that Counter-Earth can only be singular, not plural. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• :I would support that too. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:13, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• :I support it as well. Many of these are about the works, which are set on planets more generally. Jontesta (talk) 14:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:38, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|10000000 (number)}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only page is a redirect, individual category seems useless Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Not a useful category. Cremastra (u — c) 01:10, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The article 10,000,000 was also originally included by the category creator {{u|Matthiaspaul}}, but even with that restored it would not be useful for navigation. – Fayenatic London 14:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Category has been emptied. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Gumboot! 🌵 ^(talk) 13:51, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:42, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|First Timers bands}}

:Nominator's rationale: WP:OCVENUE. We do not categorize bands for each individual festival or venue they may have played at, and First Timers is not such a highly meganotable special case as to warrant a special exception over and above other festivals. Bearcat (talk) 15:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::Its function is different to most festivals though, as each band is playing for the first time there, so if they then become notable enough their having started out there is more distinct than a band playing at another festival at some point in their career. There are plenty of categories on here for bands who have released on specific record labels, and I see this as more in line with that. Lewishhh (talk) 15:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:PERFCAT. I clicked through each of the articles to see if this was treated as defining, the way that some reality TV shows are that discover people. The articles generally treat this as a passing refernce in the history section though so this seems better for a list. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:21, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: alt partial merge as suggested by FL. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Agriculture in Saint Kitts and Nevis to :Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis

:Nominator's rationale: Category contains only a redirect and an article about a historic cotton and sugar plantation that closed in the 1970s. Not helpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 12:54, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Alt partial merge to different parents: the redirect Agriculture in Saint Kitts and Nevis should be moved up to the other four parents :Category:Agriculture by country, :Category:Agriculture in North America by country, :Category:Agriculture in the Caribbean and :Category:Food and drink in Saint Kitts and Nevis. Contrary to the nomination it does not need to go into :Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis as it redirects to a section in the main article of that category. – Fayenatic London 14:46, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Fair enough for the redirect. I was just looking at article Spooner's Estate, which should still go to :Category:Economy of Saint Kitts and Nevis. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:31, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

:** I considered that; IMHO there is only a weak connection between a former plantation and the topic of economy, but I won't object if you think it's a worthwhile aid to navigation. – Fayenatic London 11:35, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

::::If we're talking about categorisation of a single page, wouldn't it be easier to simply add the categories directly instead of an "Alt partial merge to different parents"? Obviously with a nomination for merging this specific category it didn't make sense to propose a merge of a category containing a former plantation to the four categories you've identified. AusLondonder (talk) 13:15, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

::::: Where different members should go into different parents, please ask for "manual merge" or "partial merge", either with details or "to parents as appropriate". Your nomination would have put both pages into one target and this could easily have been passed to a bot to process, overlooking the loss of valid members from the other parent hierarchies. – Fayenatic London 15:24, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Female models from Pennsylvania. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Female models from Allentown, Pennsylvania to :Category:People from Allentown, Pennsylvania and :Category:Female models from Pennsylvania

:Nominator's rationale: Category with two entries, over-categorisation by occupation and location. Merge to relevant parents. AusLondonder (talk) 11:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Single merge to :Category:Female models from Pennsylvania because the articles are already in :Category:Actresses from Allentown, Pennsylvania. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to {{cl|Category:People from Haut-Uélé}}. (non-admin closure) Cremastra (u — c) 00:45, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Isiro to :Category:People from Haut-Uélé

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:16, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:48, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Merge, already listed in place article. – Fayenatic London 14:47, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Volosovo to :Category:People from Volosovsky District

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 11:09, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:49, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Merge, now listed in Volosovo, Volosovsky District, Leningrad Oblast. – Fayenatic London 21:56, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:37, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Rescue of Roma during the Romani genocide to :Category:Romani genocide and :Category:Escapes and rescues during World War II

:* Propose merging :Category:People who rescued Roma during the Romani genocide to :Category:People of the Romani genocide

:Nominator's rationale: merge, one article each, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:Comment (creator). I hoped this would be populated by others since its creation, but no luck :( I agree this is currently underpopulated and there are no interwikis. I don't know any editor who is interested in and knowledgeable about this to populate this or comment on potential on this except User:Buidhe, perhaps. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:56, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:History of the Romani people. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Romani history by country to :Category:Romani history :Category:History of the Romani people

:Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer Mason (talk) 03:05, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:35, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. Target updated after speedy rename. – Fayenatic London 09:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:American people of the Pacific theatre of World War II. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Pacific theatre of World War II US people to :Category:American people of Pacific theatre of World War II

:Nominator's rationale: parent is American people of World War II, and norm is not "US people" Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Rename, also for better understandability. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Support. US people is pretty ugly... let's get rid of it whenever we can. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:57, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
• Rename to :Category:American people of the Pacific theatre of World War II — note the necessary article. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:10, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Right, the word "the" is lacking in the proposed target. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:24, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:East Toowoomba, Queensland to :Category:East Toowoomba

:Nominator's rationale: To match renamed article East Toowoomba. AusLondonder (talk) 01:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

::This could be speedied. Mason (talk) 02:51, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

:::No as the article was renamed without a RM, it would likely have been opposed at CFDS. AusLondonder (talk) 08:44, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Rename, this seems to be unambiguous. It could not have been speedied, the article was just moved without discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:36, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Suburbs of Maryborough to :Category:Maryborough, Queensland

:Nominator's rationale: Category containing only one article, would be better categorised within parent :Category:Maryborough, Queensland. AusLondonder (talk) 00:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. Nominator's argument was completely rebutted. Feel free to file a WP:C2D request if there is a WP:RM which results in consensus for a rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:34, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:*propose renaming: : Category:Gaza envelope to :Category:Gaza Strip envelope

:Nominator's rationale: More accurate and similar to the main article for the category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cactinites (talk • contribs) 06:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, I have reverted the page to Gaza envelope per citation from [https://www.timesofisrael.com/turn-gaza-border-area-into-model-of-sustainable-development-green-organization-says/ The Times of Israel]. – Fayenatic London 21:50, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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