Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 16

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:The result of the discussion was: merge all. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:22, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Executed Ming dynasty people to :Category:People executed by the Ming dynasty

:Nominator's rationale: Seems duplicative.{{pb}}Hi! I've never done this before! Any mistakes are my own.{{pb}}There might be more of these for other periods. :Category:People executed by the Ming dynasty seems better... treed? like in the category tree? Although the two are not congruent, since this is a child of :Category:Executed Chinese people by period and the other one isn't, and this one is specifically for Chinese people and the other one isn't. Still seems like one category too many for essentially the same concept. Folly Mox (talk) 12:51, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Merge, is duplicative indeed. Ultimately the category might be renamed to :Category:People executed by China under the Ming dynasty but let's leave that for another time. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:18, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• :Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:47, 8 September 2024 (UTC)
• Maybe, but only as part of a wider nomination of all subcats in :Category:Executed Chinese people by period. – Fayenatic London 12:17, 11 September 2024 (UTC)
• Below are the sibling categories. Afterwards nephew/niece categories may need to be nominated too. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:28, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

:* :Category:Executed Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms people to :Category:People executed by a Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms state‎

:* :Category:Executed Jin dynasty (266–420) people to :Category:People executed by the Jin dynasty (266–420)

:* :Category:Executed Liao dynasty people to :Category:People executed by the Liao dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Qin dynasty people to :Category:People executed by the Qin dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Qing dynasty people‎ to :Category:People executed by the Qing dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Sixteen Kingdoms people to :Category:People executed by a Sixteen Kingdoms state

:* :Category:Executed Song dynasty people‎ to :Category:People executed by the Song dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Northern and Southern dynasties people‎ to :Category:People executed by a Northern and Southern dynasties state

:* :Category:Executed Sui dynasty people‎ to :Category:People executed by the Sui dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Tang dynasty people‎ to :Category:People executed by the Tang dynasty

:* :Category:Executed Three Kingdoms people‎ to :Category:People executed by a Three Kingdoms state

:* :Category:Executed Yuan dynasty people‎ to :Category:People executed by the Yuan dynasty

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{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}
Relisting comment: The additional categories have not been tagged for a full week; relisting. If there are no further comments this should be all set for merging.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:History of Bechuanaland Protectorate to :Category:Bechuanaland Protectorate

:* Propose merging :Category:History of Bechuanaland Protectorate by period to :Category:Bechuanaland Protectorate

:Nominator's rationale: merge, two redundant category layers with two subcategories in total. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|History of the Ashanti Empire}}

:Nominator's rationale: delete, duplicate of :Category:Military of the Ashanti Empire. I would not object to renaming the latter to :Category:Military history of the Ashanti Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:34, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

::Delete Per nom, category serves no purpose. AusLondonder (talk) 16:42, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:History of the Republic of Artsakh to :Category:History of Nagorno-Karabakh

:Nominator's rationale: rename per main article History of Nagorno-Karabakh and because many articles in the category are about the period before the Republic of Artsakh was established. After this rename :Category:Republic of Artsakh should become a subcategory instead of a parent category. By all means keep a redirect. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:28, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|André Previn}}

:Nominator's rationale: With all related subcats in the "works by" category scheme, this eponymous parent is unnecessary. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 15:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus to split; as always, editors are free to create categories such as :Category:Years of the 15th century (and this result is neither an endorsement nor a rejection of doing so). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Years to :Category:Years BC and :Category:Years AD

:Nominator's rationale: I think it would worth moving the relevant sub-categories, for individual years, into :Category:Years BC and :Category:Years AD. What do others think? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Rather create e.g. :Category:Years of the 15th century, similar to :Category:Years of the 15th century by continent and :Category:Years of the 15th century by country. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• :That works for me. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)
• Questions What is the benefit? What would happen to subcats which span AD & BC, either now or in the future?   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  23:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:30, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Shooting people}}

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Shooting people by nationality}}

:Nominator's rationale: Newly created category that duplicates an existing category, and is extremely liable to being misunderstood and misused. These were created as parents for a new {{cl|Shooting coaches}} hierarchy, but the problem is that the name is highly ambiguous -- it isn't clearly communicating the distinction between the intended "people involved in sport shooting" and unintended uses like "people who shot other people" or "people who were shot" or "people who committed mass shootings" that wouldn't belong in the same place as sport shooters.
So since we already have {{cl|Sport shooters}} for people involved in sport shooting, and the coaches category has already been added to it, we don't need this to coexist alongside it. Bearcat (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• :Delete per nom, I agree that this duplicate category tree is more trouble than its worth. Mason (talk) 20:21, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. This needs to get a closed template to stop AnomieBOT from thinking it is an open discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:31, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

I am also of the opinion to rename or remove this category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Attorney001 (talk • contribs) 09:15, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• {{ping|Attorney001}} please move your comment to the right section. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: I cannot determine what section this comment was intended for, and even perusing OP's edit history didn't shed any light — however, as it was simply sitting at the top of the page as a standalone comment, it was becoming a "comment" on every new nomination that got added above it, forcing every new nomination to have to be edited to move it again. Accordingly, I've given it a headline to stop that from happening, but it should still be moved if anybody can figure out where it belongs. Bearcat (talk) 14:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:People from Los Santos Province. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:42, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Guararé to :Category:People from Guararé District

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 13:03, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Rather merge to :Category:People from Los Santos Province because :Category:People from Guararé District is equally empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• :{{yo|Lost in Quebec}} are you okay with this alternative merge target? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:32, 24 September 2024 (UTC)
• ::I'm fine with it. Do whatever is best. Lost in Quebec (talk) 08:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete and {{t|trout}} LibStar for emptying the category prematurely. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:33, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Skiers from Shenyang}}

:Nominator's rationale: Contains no entries. LibStar (talk) 07:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The nominator prematurely emptied this category. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• {{ping|LibStar}} it wasn't particularly helpful to remove Guo Xinxin prematurely. More importantly, why shouldn't it be merged to the parent categories, instead of deleted? That question also applies to your other manual removals. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• :The article Guo Xinxin contains no citation for being from Shenyang. Applying WP:BURDEN. LibStar (talk) 09:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• :* Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Kangping County to :Category:People from Shenyang

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry in this category. LibStar (talk) 06:52, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:43, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:34, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:People from Faku County to :Category:People from Shenyang

:Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry in this category. LibStar (talk) 06:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:44, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:American expatriate soccer players and :Category:American expatriate sportspeople in Turkey. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|American expatriate soccer players in Turkey}}

:Nominator's rationale: Per multiple discussions, triple-intersection soccer categories are not to be used. See: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_December_23#Expatriate_footballer_triple-intersections] . BlameRuiner (talk) 06:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

::Oppose; this is part of a very large category tree of expatriate sportspeople. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:55, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

::* In fact there isn't a large category tree of expatriate soccer people. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

::*:@Marcocapelle, oh I see now. Thanks for the clarification! In which case I'm neutral. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:28, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

• Shouldn't it be merged to :Category:American expatriate sportspeople in Turkey? Shouldn't volleyball and basketball categories be nominated too? Marcocapelle (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:35, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Merge/diffuse to {{cat|American expatriate soccer players}} and {{cat|American expatriate sportspeople in Turkey}}, which is how we usually categorise such people, and then delete. Having such a narrow triple-intersection is not needed - and I agree the same principles should apply to other sports. GiantSnowman 18:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Merge/diffuse per GiantSnowman's reasoning and breakdown above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris1834 (talk • contribs) 21:10, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Dumbest Wikipedians}}

:Nominator's rationale: Fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 14:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

::I don't really understand why, since this is under the subcategory of Wikipedians, and also has the humor template box. The userbox on the page was from an editable userbox template, so it can't really be deleted. It's a humorous user category that users can add to their page, and I don't see a problem with it. From Rushpedia, the free stupid goofball (talk) 16:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

::* Ok, let's then keep the userbox (which wasn't nominated anyway). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:37, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There is an accompanying userbox that probably should be tagged for deletion or this category might just get recreated if it gets deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:46, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

:* I wouldn't mind deleting the userbox, but, generally, there are many more userboxes than user categories anyway, so it is not a compelling argument. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Nominator blocked; anyone should feel free to renominate. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:19, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:Animated television series about hippopotamuses to :Category:Television series about hippopotamuses

:Nominator's rationale: Better title, as there is only one extant Wikipedia article about a live action television series about hippopotamuses, Potamus Park. FilmandTVFan50 (talk) 01:12, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

• Meanwhile there are six articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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