Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 1

:The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

:The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:12, 19 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Films set in 5th-century Byzantine Empire (2 P) to :Category:Works set in 5th-century Roman Empire, :Category:Films set in the 5th century and :Category:Films set in the Byzantine Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:Films set in 15th-century Byzantine Empire (3 P) to :Category:Films set in the 15th century and :Category:Films set in the Byzantine Empire

:* Propose merging :Category:Television series set in 5th-century Byzantine Empire (1 P) to :Category:Works set in the Byzantine Empire and :Category:Television series set in the 5th century

:* Propose merging :Category:Television series set in 5th-century Roman Empire (3 P) to :Category:Works set in 5th-century Roman Empire, :Category:Television series set in the Roman Empire and :Category:Television series set in the 5th century

:Nominator's rationale: merge, these are single-article isolated categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Keep (Oppose merging). I cannot see why this cross-categorisation is not helpful. For instance when you look at :Category:Works set in the Roman Empire it gives you a very clear vision of the way the fictions are distributed in time. Without this cross-categorisation, it wouldn't. -Mushy Yank. 22:25, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

::* In the current setup it is awfully complicated to navigate from Agora (film) to Fetih 1453. After the merge they will be in the same category, making navigation from one article to the other much easier. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:03, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*:Awfully complicated? Uh, it takes two clicks. So I don't think so. And why would we base our assessment of those categories on the way to navigate from that given page to the other? That would seem to be pretty arbitrary. Also note that the categories can host more films. Best, -Mushy Yank. 08:53, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*:* Agora (film) -> :Category:Films set in 5th-century Byzantine Empire -> :Category:Films set in the Byzantine Empire -> :Category:Films set in 15th-century Byzantine Empire -> Fetih 1453. This is just an example, it applies similarly to its other parent categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*:: They have potential, both eras being, respectively, times of dramatic changes in the political entities concerned (and therefore likely to have been chosen in various fictions not yet identified) -Mushy Yank. 09:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*:::Just added one to the last category for example. -Mushy Yank. 09:11, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*::::I would even argue that creating :Category:Films set in 5th-century Roman Empire makes sense (PLENTY (and I do mean plenty) of potential members). -Mushy Yank. 09:33, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*::::* Feel free to add articles to these categories if they exist. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:16, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*::::*:"If they exist"? :D See for yourself. To be continued; inviting you to update your numbers and to search for other existing films to add. -Mushy Yank. 23:54, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

::*::::*::Update your numbers again, please. -Mushy Yank. 13:34, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

::Merge I'm still not convinced that it is sufficiently populated to warrant diffusion to country+century level. I'll also note that :Category:Television series set in 5th-century Byzantine Empire is the only item in :Category:Television series set in the Byzantine Empire, which will be deleted under the nom's proposal. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

:::The only ”item” that would be deleted is a defining, verifiable and neutral category, very helpful, like all the rest ot the concerned categories. Erasing that category and the present ones does not strike me as bringing any benefit to the reader. For information, also indicating you had closed this as Merge yourself (when there was only 1 !vote -my K) before reverting yourself and voting. See this p. Hist, and your TP. -Mushy Yank. 21:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

:Merge per LP03. voorts (talk/contributions) 02:55, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

::Define "sufficiently populated” (and check real numbers, please). -Mushy Yank. 10:27, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:26, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:History of Degerfors to :Category:Degerfors

:Nominator's rationale: One article; does not help navigation Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 3 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Churches in Västra Götaland County and :Category:Buildings and structures in Bohuslän. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:27, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Churches in Bohuslän to :Category:Churches in Västra Götaland County

:Nominator's rationale: One article; does not help navigation. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 19:13, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge, also to :Category:Buildings and structures in Bohuslän. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:28, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Beanpot Tournament Winners}}

:Nominator's rationale: Winning this tournament is a non-defining characteristic of a hockey player. As per WP:OCAWARD it is overcategorization. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AWikiProject_Ice_Hockey&diff=1283022325&oldid=1283017676 Here] is the relevant informal discussion suggesting its deletion. Flibirigit (talk) 18:23, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::If this is the consensus, than I won't fight it. I guess I let my boston bias get the best of me. BuckeyeBruin (talk) 20:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Delete per nom. --MikeVitale 02:43, 2 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: rename. There is agreement that MOS:JOBTITLES applies. {{nac}} –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:29, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys to :Category:United States attorneys

:* Propose renaming :Category:Assistant United States Attorneys to :Category:Assistant United States attorneys

:* Propose renaming :Category:Native American United States Attorneys to :Category:Native American United States attorneys

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Central District of California to :Category:United States attorneys for the Central District of California

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Central District of Illinois to :Category:United States attorneys for the Central District of Illinois

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Alabama to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Alabama

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Alaska to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Alaska

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Arizona to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Arizona

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of California to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of California

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Colorado to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Colorado

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Columbia to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Columbia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Connecticut to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Connecticut

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Delaware to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Delaware

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Georgia to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Georgia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Hawaii to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Hawaii

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Idaho to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Idaho

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Illinois to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Illinois

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Indiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Indiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Kansas to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Kansas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Kentucky to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Kentucky

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Louisiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Louisiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Maine to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Maine

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Maryland to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Maryland

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Massachusetts to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Massachusetts

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Michigan to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Michigan

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Minnesota to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Minnesota

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Mississippi to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Mississippi

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Missouri to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Missouri

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Montana to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Montana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Nebraska to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Nebraska

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Nevada to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Nevada

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of New Hampshire to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of New Hampshire

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of New Jersey to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of New Jersey

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of New Mexico to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of New Mexico

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of New York to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of New York

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of North Dakota to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of North Dakota

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Ohio to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Ohio

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Oregon to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Oregon

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Pennsylvania to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Pennsylvania

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Puerto Rico to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Puerto Rico

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Rhode Island to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Rhode Island

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of South Carolina to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of South Carolina

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of South Dakota to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of South Dakota

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of the Virgin Islands to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of the Virgin Islands

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Utah to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Utah

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Vermont to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Vermont

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of West Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of West Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Wisconsin to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Wisconsin

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the District of Wyoming to :Category:United States attorneys for the District of Wyoming

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Arkansas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Arkansas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of California to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of California

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Kentucky to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Kentucky

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Louisiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Louisiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Michigan to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Michigan

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Missouri to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Missouri

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of New York to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of New York

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of North Carolina to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of North Carolina

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Oklahoma to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Oklahoma

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Tennessee to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Tennessee

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Texas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Texas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Washington to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Washington

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Eastern District of Wisconsin to :Category:United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Wisconsin

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Alabama to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Alabama

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Florida to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Florida

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Georgia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Georgia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Louisiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Louisiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of North Carolina to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of North Carolina

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Pennsylvania to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Pennsylvania

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Middle District of Tennessee to :Category:United States attorneys for the Middle District of Tennessee

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Alabama to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Alabama

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of California to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of California

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Florida to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Florida

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Georgia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Georgia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Illinois to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Illinois

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Indiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Indiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Iowa to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Iowa

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Mississippi to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Mississippi

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of New York to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of New York

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Ohio to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Ohio

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Oklahoma to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Oklahoma

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of Texas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of Texas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Northern District of West Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Northern District of West Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Alabama to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Alabama

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of California to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of California

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Florida to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Florida

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Georgia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Georgia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Illinois to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Illinois

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Indiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Indiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Iowa to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Iowa

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Mississippi to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Mississippi

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of New York to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of New York

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Ohio to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Ohio

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of Texas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of Texas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Southern District of West Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Southern District of West Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Arkansas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Arkansas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Kentucky to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Kentucky

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Louisiana to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Louisiana

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Michigan to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Michigan

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Missouri to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Missouri

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of New York to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of New York

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of North Carolina to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of North Carolina

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Oklahoma to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Oklahoma

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Pennsylvania to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Pennsylvania

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Tennessee to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Tennessee

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Texas to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Texas

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Virginia to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Virginia

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Washington to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Washington

:* Propose renaming :Category:United States Attorneys for the Western District of Wisconsin to :Category:United States attorneys for the Western District of Wisconsin

:Nominator's rationale: "United States Attorney" is a position that should be rendered in lowercase when it's plural, per MOS:JOBTITLES. Woko Sapien (talk) 18:19, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Note: this would align these categories with the similar :Category:Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. As well as pages such as:

1. List of United States attorneys appointed by Donald Trump
2. List of United States attorneys appointed by Joe Biden
3. List of United States attorneys for Wisconsin
4. List of United States attorneys for the Eastern District of Arkansas
5. List of United States attorneys for the Southern District of Florida. Woko Sapien (talk) 20:35, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Support Per MOS:JOBTITLES... It's clearly plural and should be lowercase.

:—Eyer (he/him) If you reply, add {{reply to|Eyer}} to your message. 18:36, 4 April 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose it would be ambiguous with "American attorneys", since "United States" and "American" are frequently used interchangeably, and these are most definitly not categories for American attorneys in general. The capitalized "A" for Attorney would remove such ambiguity. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::Category:United States Attorneys already has the disclaimer "For all lawyers in the United States, see :Category:American lawyers," suggesting that the ambiguity exists anyway. Conforming to the manual of style would not meaningfully confuse things any further. Woko Sapien (talk) 14:47, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
• Support – No need for a wacky exception to our usual style for these. Dicklyon (talk) 03:41, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom and MOS:JOBTITLES. Yuchitown (talk) 16:26, 6 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. The deletes primarily cited WP:OC/U#jokes. The keeps argued that this category, while humorous, had a purpose in communicating users' willingness to owe up to mistakes, and some !voters argued that the humor itself was helpful for such a category. Rusalkii (talk) 20:32, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Wikipedians who own aquariums containing all of the fish they have been slapped with}}

:Nominator's rationale: Annual serious nomination of inappropriate joke categories on April Fools Day. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:40, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:MALVOLIO, which, in part, makes the case that such user categories contribute positively to collaborative editing. If you aren't amused, then don't look at it. We have a consensus that humorous user categories are permitted in userspace, so long as they don't create problems in mainspace and aren't red. The fact that it was created on April 1 makes no difference. If this stuff gets yer dander up, somebody should trout-slap you. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:07, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Adding, quite seriously: the appropriate guideline here is at Wikipedia:Disruptive editing#April Fools' Day, with supplementary information at Wikipedia:Rules for Fools. Nothing there indicates that the nominated userspace category violates anything, other than perhaps the cramped sense of humor of some editors. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:06, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Regarding "Inappropriate types of user categories", the category "Wikipedians who own aquariums containing all of the fish they have been slapped with" isn't patently false (partly true, partly metaphorical) nonsensical (WP:TROUT makes sense), undecipherable (it is easy to understand, i.e. 'I make mistakes'), or created primarily for humorous or satirical purposes (it can be interpreted as purely humorous or satirical, but also as confessional or as a sign of humility). If others don't agree, a hard redirect per :Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages is another solution. Viriditas (talk) 22:36, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• : That's totally motivated reasoning. This was obviously created for humorous or satirical purposes. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:01, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• : — Note: An editor has expressed a concern that Viriditas (talk • contribs) has been canvassed to this discussion. ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Tryptofish&diff=prev&oldid=1283494217 diff]) * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:03, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• :— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that the nom in this CfD is being a humorless annoyance, who should find something more important to do, like improving content, or at least not starting a CfD that is not based in policy, but just based in WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Fishy and ich-y behaviour of others aside (though I myself am no angel), and while I'm fully sympathetic to the school of thought of that we oto do something about all these roefully unfunny April Fool's jokes (and those who commit the cardinal sin of making them), I think the community is betta off with this categoby. E-fish-ent and koi way of letting other editors know the scale of any past mistakes and a healthy way of dealing with any gillt without resorting to platytudes. Besides, caring for the trout is a much better idea than carping on about them, or becoming apoplecotic, after all! (Concur with other !keeps) GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 23:05, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• :{{like}}. (As long as no one takes the bait!) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::If they do, I suppose I shall have to find some way to mollyfy them... GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 04:09, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::(This comment is going to be annoying bereft of fish puns, apologies), just to restate the argument, I don't see this category as that dissimilar to :Category:Wikipedians open to trouting or :Category:Wikipedians who cannot be trout-slapped because they are already fish, one of which has already survived a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/User/Archive/April_2008#Category:Wikipedians_open_to_trout_slapping CfD debate] to determine whether it was useful. It's a reference to one of Wikipedia's long-running jokes, yes, but it's entirely serious in the fact that it provides Wikipedians with encouragement and a space to try and be reflective and think about healthy ways to deal with mistakes. That's a good thing - we need more lighthearted ways to say "oops, I really messed up there, didn't I?". Also, this one promotes good fish care. That might sound like a joke. It is not. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 21:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. Unhelpful category that doesn't promote any sort of collaboration. --Gonnym (talk) 16:33, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
• Speedy Keep. No accurate reason given for deletion of this category except a link to another CfD. Because it is annual, is not a reason to delete. And if the nominator did not take the time to explain why this should be deleted, I consider we should not waste ours explaining why it could be kept.-Mushy Yank. 22:36, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
• : The reason is that it violates WP:OC/U#jokes. But link to precedent by itself would be a valid reason and these have historically been uncontroverisially deleted, so I saw no need to spell it out further. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:26, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::That reply leads me to want to explain some more about why I find this nomination troubling. This sort of thing led me to coauthor WP:MALVOLIO, where it is pointed out that, sometimes, there are walled gardens in project space, where most editors just aren't interested enough to pay attention until something affects them directly, and where a few editors get together to codify pet peeves and claim that this must be consensus. I think that WP:OC/U#jokes may be an example of this, and it's worth looking at the discussion-by-edit-summary that Pppery and I had yesterday, about just that: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User_categories&diff=prev&oldid=1283814518], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User_categories&diff=next&oldid=1283814518], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User_categories&diff=next&oldid=1283828250], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Overcategorization/User_categories&diff=next&oldid=1283828731]. Yesterday, I didn't think it was worth it for me to belabor any further the issue of "precedent", so I just said "thanks" and dropped it, but now, I might as well link to this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_January_10#Category:Wikipedians_also_known_as_Le_Poisson_de_Trypto]. Doesn't exactly fit with the claimed "precedent", now does it? (And no, I don't think it's listed at the page of precedents.) If you read my comments there, I summarize past discussions about such user categories. Myself, I'm quite willing to delete user categories that are really unhelpful, so I'm not rigid about this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_February_19#Category:Wikipedians_that_poop] (but oh look, there's another accusation of canvassing). If you follow that link to another CfD in the nominating statement, it leads to a Russian doll of successive links, from April 1 year-to-year, all of them part of a walled garden with just a few editors participating. User categories like that one about pooping really don't do anything to improve the project, but others, like the one nominated here, actually do accomplish the benefit of enhancing collaboration among editors. So long as :Category:Wikipedians with unconventional user categories and its subcategories remain well-populated and the sky doesn't fall, there is no community consensus that these things should be trashed. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::Thanks for making that clear. A "link to precedent" by itself does not strike me as a valid reason to delete any given category/page, no, sorry, especially if your argument seems in fact to be that all (not just one) similar (and similar how? to what extent?) categories have "historically been uncontroversially deleted". Tryptofish's link to a clear counter-example would invalidate that argument anyway. I therefore still think the original nomination is flawed and stand by my SK, but as you kindly took the time to explain what you meant and as I am not sure SK still applies when the (absent) nomination rationale is made clear during the Afd, you can consider my !vote is a (simple) Keep, if that matters. Viriditas explained very clearly why this category does not correspond to what WP:OC/U#jokes describes, anyway. Leaving it at that. -Mushy Yank. 23:09, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• :I agree that the nomination's caviar-lier attitude has not won me over. GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 07:16, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::It may well be impolitic of me to say this here, but this discussion makes me want to give a shout-out to {{u|Ritchie333}}'s new essay at WP:DONTCAT. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:19, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per :File:I IZ SERIUS ADMNIM THIZ IZ SERIUS BIZNIS lolcat.jpg. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 12:11, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - April fools is over and it has no value. WP:OC/U#jokes fits pretty well here. PackMecEng (talk) 15:02, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. Humour should not be deleted purely because it is humour, but because it is off-topic. This category, according to its name, is meant for Wikipedians who have been trouted often, which is a case that is reasonable and Wikipedia-related. It's not like this is a category such as :Category:Wikipedians with an above-average amount of nose hairs (AFAIK not a category that ever existed, just an example), which more clearly violates WP:OC/U#jokes because of its lack of use cases and irrelevance to Wikipedia. -insert valid name here- (talk) 21:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep, go fish. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per insert valid name here. Humor is not inherently unwelcome on Wikipedia, and this category is not off-topic. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 23:57, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as ha-ha only serious, the "serious" bit being you know which Wikipedians own up to making mistakes and admitting to them, and learning from them. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Ritchie333. Publicly owning and admitting to one's mistakes shows growth, and this category adds a bit of self-deprecating humor to the project. Full disclosure: I have been trouted once and whaled once. Both times were self-inflicted because I was an idjit. — Jkudlick ⚓ (talk) 22:17, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Activists from New Orleans and :Category:American housing rights activists. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Housing rights activists from New Orleans to :Category:Activists from New Orleans

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge also to :Category:American housing rights activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:05, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Tatuí. (non-admin closure) ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:30, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Football clubs in Tatuí}}

:Nominator's rationale: A category without any meaning, Tatuí had only one professional team and should be allocated with the other defunct teams in the state of São Paulo. Svartner (talk) 06:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to :Category:Tatuí, there is no reason to withdraw the article from this category tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge to :Category:Paranormal and :Category:Supernatural. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:34, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Forteana

:Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Keep, paranormal is too specific for some Fortean phenomenon, and does not always apply to subjects such as cryptozoology, and UFOolgy. 50.86.27.105 (talk) 13:42, 8 April 2025 (UTC)

:::Merge all contents of this category with either :Category:Paranormal, :Category:Supernatural, or any of their respective subcategories. AHI-3000 (talk) 03:08, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:::* As nominator, I am fine with a manual merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 06:58, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Upcoming Indian films}}

:Nominator's rationale: I don't see Upcoming films for any other country apart from Philippines (which has only one entry). Upcoming films by language seems just enough. Kailash29792 (talk) 03:32, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• There is also :Category:Indian films so there is no objection to country categories per se, is there? Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• If Upcoming American films and other alike categories are created, I may withdraw this nomination. Moreover, one of the categories in Upcoming Indian films improperly contains Upcoming Tamil-language films, since more than two countries produce Tamil films. Kailash29792 (talk) 16:27, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose. Kailash29792, this is not a valid reason for deletion. Precisely: {{tq|since more than two countries produce Tamil films}} a category by country is helpful and even necessary. Feel free to create categories for other countries, including the United States. As you say Philippines has a category and just like released films are categorised both in country+language categories, upcoming films could (and should) be categorised in both.-Mushy Yank. 22:20, 3 April 2025 (UTC) (There is a :Category:Upcoming American television series, fwiw.
• Keep Logical categorization for films thar are not yet released. Can also be a wrapper for future release years. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 09:57, 7 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:35, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Male chefs from Tokyo to :Category:Japanese male chefs and :Category:Chefs from Tokyo

:* Propose splitting :Category:Women chefs from Tokyo to :Category:Japanese women chefs and :Category:Chefs from Tokyo

:Nominator's rationale: Duel upmerge. There's not need to intersect populated place by occupation and sex. If not dual merged, it should be made a non-diffusing category ^SMason_Garrison 03:04, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:44, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Dual merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:52, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:31, 11 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:American Culinary Federation Certified Master Chefs to :Category:American chefs

:Nominator's rationale: Non-defining certification ^SMason_Garrison 00:39, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:22, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge. :Category:Hmong chefs can be created, but I won't do that myself because there is only one article here. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:36, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Hmong American chefs to :Category:American people of Hmong descent

:Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated category that might not meet the EGRS bar ^SMason_Garrison 00:35, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, this category was created pursuing the uptick in literature about Hmong cuisine and those who notably make it (e.g. Hmong cuisine#Notable figures, whose careers and biographies are defined by their ethnicity and ethnic cuisine WP:EGRS/I: "For example, when intersecting with occupation, people should only be so categorized if this has significant bearing on their career.") - and specifically in preparation for edit-a-thons focused on Hmong biographies (see upcoming Wikipedia:Meetup/Minnesota/April 2025 Minnesota User Group Meeting#Events). It's expected to have more entries within this year. Pingnova (talk) 00:47, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

:::I recommend starting with :Category:Hmong chefs rather than with something at the interseciton of ethnicity+ nationality+ occupation. ^SMason_Garrison 03:07, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::::That's agreeable to me. Pingnova (talk) 06:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per nom, the list suffices. We do not have :Category:Chinese American chefs either. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge :Category:Hmong American sportspeople from Minneapolis–Saint Paul and :Category:Hmong American politicians from Minneapolis–Saint Paul to :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul. This has at least some support from all participants, making it the clear consensus option. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:12, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Hmong American sportspeople from Minneapolis–Saint Paul to :Category:American people of Hmong descent and :Category:Sportspeople from Saint Paul, Minnesota

:* Propose merging :Category:Hmong American politicians from Minneapolis–Saint Paul to :Category:Politicians from Saint Paul, Minnesota and :Category:American politicians of Hmong descent

:* Propose merging :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul to :Category:People from Saint Paul, Minnesota and :Category:American people of Hmong descent

:Nominator's rationale: WP:EGRS non-defining intersection of ethnicity, nationality, occupation, and populated place. ^SMason_Garrison 00:26, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

::Per WP:EGRS/I: "the bottom line remains can a valid, encyclopedic main article be written for this grouping?" Hmong people in Minneapolis-St. Paul is a significantly documented topic in reliable literature since the 1980s. There exists a Wikipedia page on it: History of the Hmong in Minneapolis–Saint Paul. (Additionally to navigate this topic I created a navbox: Template:Hmong topics in Minnesota.) The Minneapolis-St. Paul metro is one of the two core groupings of Hmong diaspora outside Asia. Additionally their identity as Hmong Americans, the combination of ethnicity and nationality, is significant and explored in a lot of literature, some of the more significant available as references on the wiki page. The politicians especially in the metro are notable as a group because that is where Hmong people first gained political prominence worldwide and continue to see a lot of success. If there's any specific concern about the adherence of these categories to EGRS, please let me know so I can track down sources. These topic intersections are well documented but have little coverage on Wikipedia, which I have been trying to remedy such as with the upcoming edit-a-thon mentioned in my last comment. Pingnova (talk) 01:08, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• At least merge :Category:Hmong American sportspeople from Minneapolis–Saint Paul and :Category:Hmong American politicians from Minneapolis–Saint Paul to :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul, trivial intersection with occupation. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:33, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• :I was on the fence about :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul. History of the Hmong in Minneapolis–Saint Paul is pretty clear evidence for :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul being defining. But I don't think the intersections with occupation are needed at the city level. ^SMason_Garrison 03:10, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::I agree :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul is especially documented and defining. I still oppose merging the occupation subcategories but ultimately defer to more experienced category editors so long as the "people" parent category remains so it can still be communicated that these topics share a defining characteristic. Pingnova (talk) 06:45, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Keep :Category:Hmong American people from Minneapolis–Saint Paul, but merge the subcats per WP:NARROWCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:37, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose splitting :Category:Housing rights activists from Indianapolis to :Category:American housing rights activists and :Category:Activists from Indianapolis

:Nominator's rationale: Dual upmerge for now. This category only has one person in it, and I suspect that there's not enough people to populate it. (I tried) ^SMason_Garrison 00:15, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

• Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
• Dual merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:41, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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