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:The result of the discussion was: rename to :Category:African-American members of Catholic religious communities. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 03:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose renaming :Category:African-American Catholic consecrated religious to :Category:African-American members of Catholic religious orders

:Nominator's rationale: rename, more clearly having a noun in place. This name was suggested very late in the previous discussion that was closed as no consensus, and I actually think it is a good name. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

: {{ping|Smasongarrison|Natemup|Jc37|Pichpich}} pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Not sure what has changed since the last discussion. The current category name is standard Catholic terminology and the proposed category only makes it longer. natemup (talk) 00:10, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Support. I think that this proposed rename is clearer, and makes it more obvious not non-practicing Catholics what the nature of the category is. ^SMason_Garrison 01:35, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose. It not only makes the category name longer, but also makes it inaccurate, ignoring the distinction between religious orders and other religious communities in the Catholic Church. Several people under the category were not members of religious orders, but of societies of apostolic life, etc. "Consecrated religious" broadly covers everyone listed with standard terminology. natemup (talk) 13:31, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Also, "religious" in the current category name is a noun, as covered in the previous discussion. It's in the dictionary. natemup (talk) 13:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Natemup, {{Tq|1=ignoring the distinction between religious orders and other religious communities in the Catholic Church}} so would you accept :Category:African-American members of Catholic religious communities, as at least better than the current proposed rename target? — Qwerfjkltalk 15:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Better than the proposed target, yes, but not better than the current name. I don't think readers who are unfamiliar with the noun "consecrated religious" will be any more familiar with the similarly niche Catholic term "religious communities". So we would effectively just be making the name longer, which I'm pretty sure is frowned upon on Wikipedia. natemup (talk) 15:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

• Rename somehow "religious" as a noun may well be a term of art here, but Wikipedia is meant to be understood by laypeople, not only experts in the given field, and when I saw this as an athiest (potential) closing admin with no prior experience in religious terminology it screams ungrammatical to me. There has to be a better way of titling this that allows people to understand what should be included. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
• :I'm not aware of any stipulation that anything on Wikipedia needs to be immediately comprehensible to laypeople. natemup (talk) 15:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Rename to :Category:African-American members of Catholic religious communities per my comment above, as more easily understandable. Whilst the exact technical meaning might not be immediately understood, it's more comprehensible than the status quo. — Qwerfjkltalk 15:31, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

• (as nominator) I am fine with "communities" instead of "orders" too. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
• Alt Rename per Qwerfjkl. While technically correct, the purpose of cats is to aid navigation for readers who may or may not be specialists. (If the original proposal has more support, then I also support that rename.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:34, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Writers by populated place in Arkansas to :Category:Writers from Arkansas

:Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 15:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Merge per WP:SMALLCAT Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@Thepharoah17 SMALL cat is not a policy. ^SMason_Garrison 01:35, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

• Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Generals of the Russian Empire to :Category:Russian generals, :Category:Imperial Russian Army officers and :Category:Generals by former country

:Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Merge to reduce redundancy Thepharoah17 (talk) 19:30, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Support per nom ^SMason_Garrison 01:36, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 15:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:American Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:British Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:Canadian Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:French Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:German Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:Japanese Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:Liberian Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:Norwegian Christian Zionists

:* Propose deleting :Category:South African Christian Zionists

:Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OPINIONCAT, with very few exceptions these weren't activists in the Zionist movement which was largely a Jewish phenomenon. They were merely supporters of it. Any articles about activists should be moved to :Category:Zionist activists. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Slightly lean oppose. This seems like a notable intersection for the very reason that they aren't Jewish. If not kept, I think that they should be merged to their respective parent categories (Category:South African Christians) etc. ^SMason_Garrison 01:38, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose. Christian Zionism is a well-established distinct ideology that by definition is distinguished from Jewish/secular Zionism, that's exactly why it matters. Dewuser9 (talk) 12:08, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose. As Dewuser9 has stated above, this is an important distinction due to the nature of Zionism being a movement related to Judaism while the pages in these categories are about Christians who support Zionism. User01938 (talk) 02:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oppose – for the reasons given by both Dewuser9 and User01938 Lf8u2 (talk) 03:54, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

• (as nominator) I do not see anyone opposing the fact that this is a matter of WP:OPINIONCAT. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Christian Zionists are people/activists who actively support Israel with the motive of bringing about the end times and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. If that isn't a defining characteristic then I don't know what is. (As your policy states: "Please note, however, the distinction between holding an opinion and being an activist, as the latter may be a defining characteristic (see Category:Activists).") Other forms of activists who have related established categories are mainstream Zionists, as well as other categories of Christian political activists such as Christian nationalists, Christian socialists, Christian fascists and Christian anarchists. Christian Zionists are another such category. Dewuser9 (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Ad-Dilam to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Afif to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Ahad Rafidah to :Category:Football clubs in 'Asir Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Badayea to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Qassim Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Bukayriyah to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Qassim Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Hait to :Category:Football clubs in Ha'il Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Khurmah to :Category:Football clubs in Mecca Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Mithnab to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Qassim Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Qara to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Bahah Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Qunfudhah to :Category:Football clubs in Mecca Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al Zulfi to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Al-Namas to :Category:Football clubs in 'Asir Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Arar, Saudi Arabia to :Category:Arar, Saudi Arabia and :Category:Football clubs in Northern Borders Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Badr, Saudi Arabia to :Category:Football clubs in Medina Province (Saudi Arabia)

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Baljurashi to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Bahah Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Baqaa, Saudi Arabia to :Category:Football clubs in Ha'il Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Bisha to :Category:Football clubs in 'Asir Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Dawadmi to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Diriyah to :Category:Sport in Diriyah and :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Dumat al-Jandal to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Jawf Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Hotat Bani Tamim to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Huraymila to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Jizan to :Category:Football clubs in Jizan Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Khamis Mushait to :Category:Football clubs in 'Asir Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Mahd adh Dhahab to :Category:Football clubs in Medina Province (Saudi Arabia)

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Marat to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Mawqaq to :Category:Football clubs in Ha'il Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Mecca to :Category:Sport in Mecca and :Category:Football clubs in Mecca Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Najran to :Category:Najran and :Category:Football clubs in Najran Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Qilwah to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Bahah Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Rabigh to :Category:Football clubs in Mecca Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Rafha to :Category:Rafha and :Category:Football clubs in Northern Borders Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Sajer to :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Sakakah to :Category:Football clubs in Al-Jawf Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Samtah to :Category:Football clubs in Jizan Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Shaqraa to :Category:Shaqra, Saudi Arabia and :Category:Football clubs in Riyadh Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Ta'if to :Category:At-Ta'if and :Category:Football clubs in Mecca Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Tabuk, Saudi Arabia to :Category:Tabuk, Saudi Arabia and :Category:Football clubs in Tabuk Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Umluj to :Category:Football clubs in Tabuk Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Unaizah to :Category:Sport in Unaizah and :Category:Football clubs in Al-Qassim Province

:* Propose merging :Category:Football clubs in Yanbu to :Category:Yanbu and :Category:Football clubs in Medina Province (Saudi Arabia)

:Nominator's rationale: There are 1–2 articles or one article and its epocat in each of these very detailed intersections. It does not help navigation. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 08:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT. Thepharoah17 (talk) 08:32, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Merge per WP:SMALLCAT Ampimd (talk) 15:43, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting :Category:Millennia in Moldavia

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd millennium in Moldavia

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium disestablishments in Moldavia

:* Propose deleting :Category:2nd-millennium establishments in Moldavia

:* Propose deleting :Category:Disestablishments in Moldavia by millennium

:* Propose deleting :Category:Establishments in Moldavia by millennium

:Nominator's rationale: delete, the Principality of Moldavia was entirely within the 2nd millennium CE, so a diffusion by millennium is not meaningful. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Stockton schoolyard shooting}}

:Nominator's rationale: Only has 2 articles that are directly linked. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:04, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• delete also one is just the eponymous category. Thepharoah17 (talk) 06:13, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:10, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:English male characters in soap operas to :Category:British male characters in soap operas

:* Propose merging :Category:Scottish male characters in soap operas to :Category:British male characters in soap operas

:* Propose merging :Category:Welsh male characters in soap operas to :Category:British male characters in soap operas

:* Propose merging :Category:Northern Irish male characters in soap operas to :Category:British male characters in soap operas

:Nominator's rationale: This is an overly specific category - most of the articles are located in the English subcategory with very few in the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish subcategories. This category has led to a lot of fictional characters being allocated the wrong category and has made the process harder, so I am proposing a merge (if someone could please add :Category:Scottish male characters in soap operas, :Category:Northern Irish male characters in soap operas and :Category:Welsh male characters in soap operas to this discussion I would be extremely grateful). DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 05:37, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

• Comment, I added the three siblings. This is follow-up on this earlier still open discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:59, 31 May 2025 (UTC)

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• The other discussion has been closed as "merge", I suppose this discussion should just follow that. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• :I agree DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 21:45, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Merge - I commented on the female counter-part category discussion that it was much more ideal and simple to create one category for British rather than using four regional ones. The same applies here.Rain the 1 21:52, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Memorials to Nizamuddin Auliya}}

:Nominator's rationale: per WP:Common name. There's no need to bundle these together. ^SMason_Garrison 02:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Support per WP:SHAREDNAME and WP:OCASSOC. The railroad station is named after the saint and would have been built under some other name; it's not a purpose built memorial. The mosque does have more of an association to his teachings but not as a memorial. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per RD. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:25, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete :Category:Dara Shikoh * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose merging :Category:Works of Dara Shikoh to :Category:Dara Shikoh

:Nominator's rationale: There's no need to isolate these two works. The merge target only has Dara Shikoh in it. ^SMason_Garrison 02:23, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Alternative: delete :Category:Dara Shikoh instead, per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• :Equally fine with me. ^SMason_Garrison 17:09, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• :* I have tagged that category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:20, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose deleting {{lc|Palestinian people of Indian descent}}

:Nominator's rationale: None of the pages in this category have that they are of "Indian descent" anywhere on the page. The category was most likely added just because of their surname "Hindi" which means Indian in Arabic. Additionally the category only had two people: Amin al-Hindi and Ayman Al-Hindi. Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:06, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Question: Is everyone in the category already categorized in other Palestinian categories? ^SMason_Garrison 02:21, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Ya, all the applicable ones Thepharoah17 (talk) 02:45, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Delete - I am somehow inclined to believe it was a category created just because their surnames are in some way related to Hindu/Hindi (in the Indian context) Lf8u2 (talk) 03:49, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

• There is only one page left in the article and this can be purged per nom's rationale. So yeah, delete as vitually empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose Speedy Deleting :Category:People educated at Stokesley School & Sixth Form College

:Nominator's rationale: Wp:C1, Unpopulated categories

:The only article in this category is Will Muir which makes no mention of the school. (After the category was created, another editor guessed Stokesley School is intended and added :Category:People educated by school in North Yorkshire as a parent category, but I'm not sure if that was the intended school.) Taking to full CFD since it's not technically empty. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:21, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:* Propose Deleting :Category:Boston Music Awards winners

:Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING and WP:OCAWARD

:The Boston Music Awards are an annual award celebrating artists from the Boston metro, typically who are already becoming national acts. This musicians in this category are a mix of those that mention the award in passing (like Speedy Ortiz and Amazing Crowns) and those that don't mention it at all (Dropkick Murphys, Noah Kahan). The main article could use some TLC and expanding it seems like a better approach to covering the topic than this category. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:02, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::Support per nom. ^SMason_Garrison 02:22, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Thepharoah17 (talk) 05:50, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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