Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders seasons/archive1

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:Nominator(s): TBJ10RH (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I am nominating this for the featured list because the page itself looks well-structured, and detailed, and has an informative record of the RailRiders' seasons-by-season history. The list is easy to read, consistently formatted, and provides a comprehensive look at the team’s performance over the years. It highlights key stats, postseason results, and affiliations, making it an excellent resource for both casual fans and baseball historians. The list’s thorough research, consistent formatting, and clear presentation enhance its value, making it a strong candidate for featured status. It can make an argument to be part of the 4,604 other featured lists.TBJ10RH (talk) 00:56, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:Anyone willing to give feedback for further assistance is appreciated as well. TBJ10RH (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

• The Abbr template on "2,658–2,331" seems unneeded
• The "(.533)" should be in prose otherwise its purpose seems confusing
• A few MOS:DASH violations
• The refs in the results column should be in the ref column, rename the column to "Ref(s)" per the change
• Footnote A should list "Louisville RiverBats" and not just "Louisville"
• Why is "Stats Crew" a reliable source?

:Ping me when done Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 01:28, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

::Hi Olif, I appreciate your assistance on helping, making this list in better quality. In regards to your last comment, Stats Crew has been criminally underrated in finding a lot of important baseball statistics that not a lot of major "trusting" websites do on their pages which sometimes removes the aspects of finding great information for lists like these. If you have any ideas on how I can find an alternative site that informs readers about statistics related to the StatCrew page, let me know! I do believe Baseball Reference has this feature so I will double check in case.

::Thanks again!

::Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 02:00, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Is there any specific reason as to why "Stats Crew" is a reliable source? What's their fact checking and editorial policies? Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 09:16, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Sorry for the late response:

::::Like Baseball reference, StatsCrew does a lot of source-digging in order to present their information on their website. It appears that the statistics that they have are similar to Baseball-reference, another trustworthy website for baseball statistics. That's why I call them reliable. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::@OlifanofmrTennant

:::::I actually decided to remove StatCrew-related content as I was informed those statistics are open-sourced to the public it could make inaccurate. TBJ10RH (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Support Questions? four Olliefant (she/her) 02:57, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

• In the 2008 row there's a blank line in the "result" column before the reference to the Triple-A championship, but you haven't done the same in the 2016 row
• I don't understand the "result" column for 2021, could you add a footnote making it clearer?
• In the same row, what is "AAAE"? This isn't explained (or even mentioned) anywhere else
• "The 2001 playoffs were cancelled in the wake the September 11 terrorist attacks" - the word "of" is missing
• "Louisville, which had won the first game of the series, 2–1, before its cancellation" - I don't think the score of the individual game is needed
• That's all I got -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:48, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• :All of your points have been heard and done. If you have any more advice, do let me know Chris. In Regards to the "result" column in 2021, I went into extensive research where there was no playoffs held that season (2021).
• :Sincerely,
• :Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 16:04, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::Thanks - can you add a note explaining that the IL (apparently) reverted to that name in 2022.....? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:18, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::Also, both the new note c and the whole 2021 row in the table seem to be unsourced......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::1. I will do that, thank you.
• ::::2. I will source it, thank you.
• ::::Give me 5-10 minutes to complete your wishes sir. TBJ10RH (talk) 16:38, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::Alright, I have submitted citations to further give you some understanding under the revert of the IL league as well as the 2021 row. Any more assistance would be appreciated! TBJ10RH (talk) 16:59, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::2021 row is still unsourced (i.e. for their win-loss record, divisional placing, etc). Let me know when that is sorted and I will be happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:58, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::> https://ballparkdigest.com/2021/07/02/milb-playoffs-extended-season-on-tap/
• :::::::I will use this source to indicate that the 2021 Triple-A Playoffs were not played but rather "continued" regular season. Unsure if I should indicate the "7-3" record that SWB gained during those extended 10 games played. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:27, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::I should state that probably with a footnote as well. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::Baseball-Reference, Stats Crew, MiLB.com, etc. count the Final Stretch games from 2021 as part of the regular season. However, there are sources saying those games were played after the completion of the regular season, making them de facto "postseason" games. FWIW, the league championship was determined by the standings at the end of the regular season. I'm not offering a solution here, but pointing this out. Also, an em dash is used for every other season in which playoffs were not held or the team did not qualify (instead of cluttering the column with "did not qualify" etc over and over.). NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:11, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::2 questions
• ::::::::::1. Would it be reasonable to add an em dash as opposed to the title "No playoffs held"?
• ::::::::::2. Should those "final stretches" count towards regular season/postseason record? TBJ10RH (talk) 20:43, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::I decided that I will add the de facto postseason games TBJ10RH (talk) 21:18, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::I prefer to count them as postseason, like I added to the table in the first place. NatureBoyMD (talk) 21:57, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::You may check again if you want to decide on a decision Chris TBJ10RH (talk) 17:58, 21 March 2025 (UTC)
• What does note d "WIP" mean......? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 22:19, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Means Work in Progress. That means I am working on it. Just give it a day for me to do since there is no rush here! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:39, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::Made some fixes :) TBJ10RH (talk) 23:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::@ChrisTheDude Let me know if the page meets your expectations! TBJ10RH (talk) 02:38, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::The only ref against the 2021 row doesn't source any of the stats on that row -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:11, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::I've fixed that. NatureBoyMD (talk) 12:35, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::Thank you Nature
• ::::::Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::It has been fixed by NatureBoyMD @ChrisTheDude.
• :::::If you have any more advice for me to put, do let me now! :) TBJ10RH (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Thank you! TBJ10RH (talk) 16:21, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Lede image: I’d include the team’s full name ("Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders") and link to the team’s article.
• "the franchise has served under two main affiliates:" strike "main" – there aren’t any "minor" affiliates
• I’d expand the lede to include an overview with a brief history of the team’s former Red Barons and Yankees monikers.
• "The team has claimed two league titles (2008 and 2016)." "claimed" > "won"; "league titles" > "International League championships"
• "Additionally, the RailRiders secured one class title" "class title" > "Triple-A championship"
• 4th paragraph: unlink "IL championship" if liked above as mentioned
• "However, under Dave Miley" > add "manager" before his name
• championship celebration image: On my display, the image causes the table to sandwich, resulting in a lot of text wrapping. I'd either remove the image, or shorten the caption.
• I know a lot of people favor using row span (for league and affiliate here), and there may be a policy in favor of such, but I have to scroll down to the row for 2008 before I can see what league they played in. I'd go back to repeating "IL" and their affiliates for each season.
• 2020: Even though the season was cancelled, they were still affiliates of the Yankees, and members of the IL.
• Notes C and D are wordy and repetitive. Maybe shorten it to a single note that appears on 2021's league?
• You have notes "A-D" and "n 1". They should be the same format.
• References should use consistent formatting. 2, 3, and 56, for example, are different from most of those in the table.
• There is an "External links" heading but no external links. Remove it and just have the team navbox under the references.
• NatureBoyMD (talk) 18:05, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
• :I will do the rest when I get home from school but here is what I've done so far from what you've said:
• :Point 2 - Striked out "main."
• :Point 4 - Added "manager" before Dave Miley's name
• :Point 5 - Shortened the caption to "RailRiders celebrating their the 2016 Triple-A Championship."
• :Point 7 - Added "won" and striked out "claimed."
• :Point 14 - Externals Links Tab has been removed.
• :I will do Point 1, 3, 6, and 8-13 when I get home. TBJ10RH (talk) 19:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::instead of A-D, I did all of them as "N#" if that's alright.
• ::Other than that, everything seems alright. If you have more advice, please let me know and I will look into it. TBJ10RH (talk) 22:28, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::For now, I am going to go out and celebrate Nowruz, happy early new years everyone reading this! TBJ10RH (talk) 22:36, 18 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::I have returned and am available until 3:20 pm ET today. Any comments directed to be earlier than that and I shall complete the task. TBJ10RH (talk) 14:28, 19 March 2025 (UTC)
• {{Outdent}} In addition to the above:

:*The short description should be "None" per WP:SDEXAMPLES

:*The team names do not need to be in bold.

:*I'd find a way to merge the first two paragraphs, so the affiliation info isn't so repetitive

:*"under two affiliates" > "under two Major League Baseball (MLB) affiliates"

:*The championship celebration image caption needs some grammatical work. It is also still sandwiching the table.

:*Some references are using sentence case, while others use title case.

:*NatureBoyMD (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::I believe I have fixed some references regarding that. I made them all "title cases" as opposed to "sentences cases."

::Hope that is alright with you. I will wait until further suggestions/instructions. TBJ10RH (talk) 17:11, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*I'd rewrite the first paragraph as such: The Scranton/Wilkes-Barre RailRiders are a Minor League Baseball team that plays in the Scranton–Wilkes-Barre metropolitan area of Pennsylvania. Founded as members of the Triple-A classification International League (IL) in 1989, the team was known as the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Red Barons during their Major League Baseball (MLB) affiliation with the Philadelphia Phillies from 1989 to 2006. They became known as the Scranton/Wilkes-Barre Yankees in 2007 after affiliating with the New York Yankees. The team rebranded as the RailRiders in 2013 while maintaining their affiliation with New York. In conjunction with the 2021 restructuring of the minor leagues, the RailRiders were placed in the new Triple-A East (AAAE) in 2021,{{cite web|last=Mayo|first=Jonathan|title=MLB Announces New Minors Teams, Leagues|url=https://www.mlb.com/news/new-minor-league-baseball-structure|website=Major League Baseball|date=February 12, 2021|access-date=February 12, 2021|archive-date=March 6, 2021|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210306212148/https://www.mlb.com/news/new-minor-league-baseball-structure|url-status=live}} but this league was renamed the International League in 2022.{{cite web|url=https://www.milb.com/news/minor-league-baseball-historical-league-names-to-return-in-2022|title=Historical League Names to Return in 2022|website=Minor League Baseball|date=March 16, 2022|access-date=March 16, 2022|archive-date=March 25, 2022|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220325180745/https://www.milb.com/news/minor-league-baseball-historical-league-names-to-return-in-2022|url-status=live}}

:::*I think you can drop the sentence about PNC Park, since the stadium isn't mentioned at all later, but move the reference to the lede image.

:::*You can lose the references for the RailRiders' rebrand, as the name change is supported by references in the table.

:::*Changes to the first para as above should mean you don't need notes 3 and 5, which are overly-detailed just to say they played in leagues with different names.

:::*If you wanted to create a table comparing totals for each MLB affiliate (like Nashville's) and mention the differences in paragraph two, it would be beneficial.

:::*I'd tweak paragraph three as such for better flow and linking/introducing terms earlier on: Scranton/Wilkes-Barre has won thirteen division championships, including five consecutive titles from 2006 to 2010, along with three wild card playoff berths. They went on to win two International League championships (2008 and 2016) and one Triple-A championship (2016). The RailRiders experienced a difficult start. In their first ten seasons, they made only one postseason appearance—in 1992, which was their only winning season during that period. However, under manager Dave Miley (2007–2015), the RailRiders had a more successful stretch, making nine consecutive postseason appearances and winning seven division titles. Miley also led the team to two IL championship series, winning in 2008 and finishing as the runner-up in 2009.{{cite web |title=Dave Miley MiLB Coaching Record |url=https://www.statscrew.com/minorbaseball/stats/c-9bcd3c96 |website=Stats Crew |access-date=January 10, 2025}}{{cite web |title=Dave Miley MiLB Managerial Record |url=https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=miley-001dav|website=Baseball-Reference|publisher=Sports Reference|access-date=March 16, 2025}}

:::*Celebration image caption: "The RailRiders celebrating their 2016 Triple-A championship win" (with no period) ... Even at one line of text, it still sandwiches for me, but two lines will display OK on the default Wikipedia skin.

:::*I think that's all I've got. NatureBoyMD (talk) 19:00, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*:Point #1: Done

:::*:Point #2: Done (I think)

:::*:Point #3: Done

:::*:Point #4: Done

:::*:Point #5:Working on it

:::*:Point #6: Working on it

:::*:Point #7: There was already a period TBJ10RH (talk) 03:11, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*::I like the affiliation thing a lot. I do have a question: What is a composite in this context? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:23, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*:::Never mind, I realized it is the sum of Post+Reg record. TBJ10RH (talk) 03:24, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*::::I also realized you meant that I remove the period in the text TBJ10RH (talk) 03:30, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*:::::Good Evening/Morning Nature. I am done a "affiliation-list" TBJ10RH (talk) 03:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::*::::::I finish working on what you suggested. TBJ10RH (talk) 14:39, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• {{Outdent}} Additionally:

:*There are two paragraphs in a row beginning with "The team..." in the lede

:*Paragraph three is hard to follow with championships listed out of magnitude (league > class > division > wildcard).

:*"five consecutive championships" - I know you mean division titles, but a casual reader may not.

:*"the RailRiders had a dominant stretch" - I don't think "dominant" adheres to a neutral point-of-view. I would call it a "more successful stretch." They only reached the postseason 6 of 9 years and played for 2 IL championships, winning one... they didn't exactly "dominate" their opponents.

:*NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:18, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

::Point #1: Fixed.

::Point #2: Fixed

::Point #3: Fixed

::Point #4: Fixed. Instead of "dominant," I can reword it as "successful stretch"

::Thank you so much for you advice Nature TBJ10RH (talk) 17:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

:::Support - Looks good to me. NatureBoyMD (talk) 17:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you! TBJ10RH (talk) 17:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

{{reftalk}}

:::Available everyday from 12:50-3:20 pm ET

:::^ If anyone has any instructions/suggestions to further improve the list, feel free to comment whenever you feel like it (Just wanting to improve it well before nominations in a month). TBJ10RH (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

• Stats Crew does not seem to be a reliable source. I think a discussion at WT:Baseball may be warranted, but the rather disclosure on the [https://www.statscrew.com/credits/ credits page] about data inaccuracy is concerning. Consider replacing the playoff sources with newspaper reports.
• Second paragraph of the prose needs some citations, even if it is summarizing the data.
• Franchise totals section is completely unsourced.
• The first note does not have any sources. SounderBruce 03:04, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• :1. If this helps, I have removed the Stats Crew sources with Baseball Reference. In regards to a suggestion on newspaper report, the best sources of newspaper having these games are usually gatekept as a subscription, which makes it impossible to find them online.
• ::Both the The Scranton Times-Tribune and Times Leader are on Newspapers.com, which can be accessed through WP:TWL. If you do not meet the requirements for TWL access, then the resource exchange system can help you with clippings. It seems like the media guide does cover this information this time, but keep this in mind for future nominations.
• :2. Second Bulletin Point request has been fulfilled.
• ::The new citation needs to include page numbers and a proper publisher rather than leaving a bare URL in the website field.
• :3. I have sourced them all via ref names of Baseball Reference
• ::Looks good, but again the new citation needs to be fully formatted.
• :4. Sourced. TBJ10RH (talk) 18:21, 24 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::The page information is missing from the Times Leader citation.
• Another issue: there's no links in the citations. Either the first or all uses of the publisher and work/newspaper should be linked to their respective articles. SounderBruce 04:04, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Baseball-Reference informs the season about the 1992 IL season, including all the playoff information for SWB/COL. May I ask which missing citations you are referring to SounderBruce?
• :Best Regards,
• :Dan TBJ10RH (talk) 16:27, 25 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::@SounderBruce May I ask which links are missing in the citations? Any Ref# would be appreciated. TBJ10RH (talk) 16:23, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::The 3 Introduction paragraphs seem to look fine as of right now. Obviously, I am not saying that it is the correct version but if you have any advice, do let me know @SounderBruce.
• :::Happy Wednesday. Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 18:55, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::First of all, please don't ping reviewers twice if there's only been a day since your response. FLC isn't meant to be a source of instant gratification; some people take time to respond and generally a week is when you should start pinging to remind reviewers to check in.
• ::::Citations 11, 19, 23, 31, and 47 need links to their respective publishers and publications. Citation 50 still uses a URL for its work parameter. There are inconsistencies in linking on first-use versus all uses, particularly MiLB and MLB, so iron those out as well. SounderBruce 22:08, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::::First off, I would like to apologize for my misusage of pinging people as I should've known better. I will make sure to consider this going forward. Secondly, I have listened to your suggestion by fixing the cites of #11, #19, #23, #47 & #50. #31 was an archived pdf hence making it harder to change the file. However, I replaced the dead link with the official box score of the game to make it look better.
• :::::Thank you again for your help and I apologize for the amount of pings I've used TBJ10RH (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::@SounderBruce Been ~a week, just wanted to check on how your review has been on the article. Let me know what you think sir
• ::::::Best Regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 03:35, 2 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::The inconsistent linking has still not been addressed. Times Leader, The Charlotte Observer, The Citizens' Voice, and WNEP-TV should all be linked on their first use. SounderBruce 04:04, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::I have looked over, took your advice, and have made sure it met your suggestions. Let me know if you have any more questions. TBJ10RH (talk) 00:31, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::Pinging @SounderBruce for followup. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:06, 8 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::I still see several citations that don't have links (47) and those that do and are duplicating (5 and 6). Citation 31 should not be repeating the use of Minor League Baseball across two parameters. Citations 2, 3, 31, 49, and 50 should all use the publisher parameter, as they are league publications rather than news articles. I feel that we are stuck in a fix loop that should be resolved at the end of this, but I ask that you make sure that every comment is addressed or acted upon before claiming things have been done. SounderBruce 01:35, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::Follow up question: Should I go over any other league publications that may have incorrect citating functions and apply the "|publisher=Insert_Link|" format? TBJ10RH (talk) 03:55, 9 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::The article must use a consistent citation format; whether that is linking all publishers/publications or only on the first use. As of writing, the list is still inconsistent and needs to be resolved; this is a basic part of preparing for a nomination. SounderBruce 07:19, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::Does this include the international league seasons as well? TBJ10RH (talk) 16:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::::I am asking since the format I am using consistently is the publisher link format (e.g. |publisher=Major League Baseball) TBJ10RH (talk) 17:05, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::::Last question: What part of the list is inconsistent? TBJ10RH (talk) 23:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::::::@SounderBruce May I have a follow-up on the questions I've asked from last week please? TBJ10RH (talk) 14:48, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::::::Once again, this is stuck in a fix loop. Please look at the citations formatting in other FLs and compare them to your list; the switch to "publisher" for newspapers was incorrect. Minor League Baseball is still overlinked. One citation has a MOS:' error ("Red Barons’"). SounderBruce 06:14, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::::::::I added the straight apostrophe via MOS. I checked a featured list (List of Nashville Sounds seasons) and it appears that they use "|work=" mostly for newspaper archived and "|website=" for available ones online. I followed their criteria into current page. TBJ10RH (talk) 17:46, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::::::::The latest change just undid most of the progress made in having a consistent set of links in citations. The first use of a given publisher, newspaper, or website should always be linked if there is something to link to. Removing all of the publisher and work links is not consistent with any of the feedback given so far. I also don't think this list benefits from having a separate "general references" section, which duplicates several existing citations. As such, I cannot pass this source review and don't think I will return to this nomination in its current state. SounderBruce 04:53, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::::::::::Okay TBJ10RH (talk) 19:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
• ::::::::::::::::::::@TBJ10RH: You should still do something about the linking and reference formatting. Personally I choose to link the website, publisher, newspaper, etc. every time instead of at first instance, both options are acceptable. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)
• :::::::::::::::::::::I understand Josh. I am going through each link this upcoming weekend. Hopefully, once I do my very best that perhaps Sounder would reconsider but imma go earn it TBJ10RH (talk) 21:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)

• All sources should be archived.
• Baseball-reference seems to be over-relied on, are there any other usable sources.
• In visual edit mode, there are two reflists, one should be removed, I don't mean the genneral section, the first one has a duplicate.
• A use American English template should be added to the top
• When rows are the same they should be merged.
• Seasons should be linked in the table.
• An awards section should be added to the table if the MiLB has awards.
• Ping when done. History6042😊 (Contact me) 16:09, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
• :Okay, will let you know by next month.
• :Best regards, TBJ10RH (talk) 18:16, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
• :@History6042:
• :* I don't see an issue with the usage of Baseball-reference in this case
• :* Awards are not mandatory for inclusion, but it's a fine suggestion
• :* Archiving is fine, but not an outright requirement
• :* When rows are the same they should be merged is not necessarily true. There's times when it's appropriate and times when it's not
• :Just a few notes for future reviews. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:18, 30 April 2025 (UTC)