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The help desk is frequently semi-protected, meaning the help desk pages cannot be edited by unregistered users (IP addresses), as well as accounts that are not confirmed or autoconfirmed (accounts that are at least 4 days old with at least 10 edits on English Wikipedia).

However, you can still get direct assistance on your talk page. {{edit|Special:MyTalk|Just use this link to ask for help|section=new|preload=Help:Contents/helpmepreload|preloadtitle=Help me!}}; a volunteer will visit you there shortly!

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Username theory

Would a user named e.g. "Starfall2016" be blocked with the note that the username is too similar to the user in good standing (me) Starfall2015? Starfall2015 chat | about me 09:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Probably not, unless it was used to imitate or harass you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::I think we (at least I) would include in that calculation any editing of the same topics. I note there is a User:Starfall2077 registered in 2021. Coincidence? I recommend a perusal of Wikipedia:Editors who may be confused, where lots of similar usernames peacefully coexist. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::It also depends on whether the two accounts are operated by the same person. Nobody objects to the existence of User:Nyttend backup, because I'm User:Nyttend and I also control the backup account in line with WP:PUBLICSOCK. If the accounts have userpages that are quite different, again it's not a problem, even if their usernames are similar. For example, as far as I know, User:NE2 and User:N2e have never had any conflicts over their usernames, despite being easily confusable. The big issue is when someone registers a username intending to cause confusion, or otherwise intending to be disruptive, so merely having two similar usernames isn't a reason for one to be blocked. Nyttend (talk) 22:41, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::On that last point, I can say that I, User:N2e have never had any confusion that I know of with User:NE2, despite my 20 yrs of editing and tens of thousands of edits. N2e (talk) 12:42, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

"Controversy" sections in articles

I am sure that I've seen someone link to a page (no recollection if it was an essay, policy, guideline, MOS or something else) that said that it's best practice not to put a "Controversies" section in a BLP page. I haven't been able to find it - does anyone know if this exists? Did I imagine it? Thanks in advance. Samuelshraga (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:CSECTION.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Samuelshraga (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::WP:CONTROVERSYSECTION finds the same section. TSventon (talk) 18:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Pakistan news references

Hi all.

Some Pakistani newspapers / TV channels are considered as WP:RS, while others may not. Names like are Dawn (English) / Dawn News (Urdu language), The Express Tribune (en) / Express.pk (ur), Geo News, ARY News, and etc., have been frequently used as citations to support the articles on Wikipedia.

Recently, my attention was brought to WP:RSP and WP:NEWSORGINDIA policies. While the latter is for Indian based websites, it may give a general rule that unbylined websites may not qualify RS and NPOV. Similary, at RSP, I saw Forbes website being listed as well, which some may find unreliable due to various reasons given there.

Notably, during recent :2025 India–Pakistan conflict, we saw a number of fabricated news reports as well, and therefore the government / armed forces officials from both sides announced to only follow the news presented by them and not others. Plus, involvement of international media was also seen to present the reports without being biased.

A number of news journalists in Pakistan have also become independent YouTube personalities now, but then the problem is subtitles/transcripts, and one may also assume that the channel/video is not notable due to the subscriber or view count. Few notable names:

Ruling by that, how we may use Pakistani citations if writing for articles under WP:PAK abiding Wikipedia policies? I am open to have creative discussion because I have many other points in my mind as well, and may consider involvement of other senior/established editors based in Pakistan, probably by taking this to the WikiProject's talk. Thank you! M. Billoo 15:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:This would be better discussed at WT:RSN. When you start a discussion there, you might like to post a pointer to it, on WT:Noticeboard for India-related topics. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:54, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for your kind response. However, is there any similar noticeboard for Pakistan instead of India? M. Billoo 18:00, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Apologies; I meant WT:WikiProject Pakistan. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:05, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Can't add book--said it's already referenced--but it isn't

I'm trying to add a newly published book to the Chambers v. Florida page using the visual editor. The book is titled, "Chambers v. Florida and the Criminal Justice Revolution." The ISBN number is 978-0-8130-8102-0. I keep getting the message that the book has already been referenced--but it hasn't. I don't know what to do. Can anyone help. (I am not very technical.) LeonBeagle (talk) 18:38, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:That's not a valid ISBN. Amazon suggests {{ISBN|978-0813079363}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:07, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|LeonBeagle}} Your ISBN fails ISBN#ISBN-13 check digit calculation. It works for me in some attempts if the last digit is changed to 1. Then VisualEditor automatically changes it to Andy's ISBN which gives the right book. Are you really seeing an ending 0 on the book? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:56, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Article (machine) translated from other wiki language without notice

Hi, I am fairly sure that the article MTV, Bota Essa P was translated from the Portuguese wiki by copy-pasting most of the Portuguese prose into DeepL, potentially with slight cleanup. To my understanding, translating other wiki articles is allowed, but this doesn't do it with credit in the original edit summary or on the (non-existant) talk page. Is there a recommended cleanup form that should be applied or other avenue that this should be posted in?

Thanks, ScalarFactor (talk) 20:55, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:@ScalarFactor The general advice is at WP:Copying within Wikipedia, with a part about repairing insufficient attribution at WP:RIA. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks, I applied the template mentioned on WP:RIA and left a message on the talk page. ScalarFactor (talk) 19:16, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Ernesto Sánchez Rodríguez

Muy buenas tardes!

Estoy tratando de crear el perfil pero me sale que mi nombre y apellidos estan bloqueados, como le puedo hacer?

Solo me dejo poniendole el año 2025 pero no me funciona asi al ser figura politica.

me pueden ayudar por favor 189.147.81.127 (talk) 21:11, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hi! This is the English Wikipedia, so you probably should communicate in English - perhaps try the Spanish Wikipedia. Regarding your concern, it does not look could you have any other edits besides posting this message, could you please clarify your question? (¡Hola! Esta es la Wikipedia en inglés, así que probablemente deberías comunicarte en inglés; quizás pruebes la Wikipedia en español. Respecto a tu inquietud, no parece que puedas hacer otras modificaciones además de publicar este mensaje. ¿Podrías aclarar tu pregunta?) GoldRomean (talk) 02:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Primary or secondary source

The following question concerns the source https://trauer.kleinezeitung.at/traueranzeige/leo-cappellaro/anzeigen

Is this particular web page on a newspaper's website containing that particular death notice imprinted with "Wolf", which is the private funeral service provider [https://www.bestattung-wolf.com Bestattung Wolf GmbH] (who on behalf of the family designed the death notice and submitted it to the newspaper),

a primary source or a secondary source?

It was (indirectly) suggested to me that such a source would be a secondary source. I would like an opinion of an uninvolved editor. —Alalch E. 22:29, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:The item linked is a death notice from the deceased's family so it is a primary source and not independent of the subject. TSventon (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you. —Alalch E. 13:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Bullet points in footnotes?

Using an asterisk (*) formerly created bullet points in a footnote. However, I note that there seems to have been a change in the coding, and the bullet points in a footnote are now displaying as asterisks without line breaks. See for example footnote 84 of Otto Warmbier, which includes a number of bulleted quotes from different sources. How to make these display as bullet points again? Muzilon (talk) 02:51, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Muzilon, ● [an item]
● [another item]
● [yet another item]
● [etc]
is a kludge but perhaps better than nothing. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Kludgey indeed. Why was the Wiki coding changed in the first place? Muzilon (talk) 06:54, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You might ask at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Muzilon}} An asterisk only creates a bullet if it's at the start of a line. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Well, I've manually changed the footnote as per Hoary's suggestion. Muzilon (talk) 11:31, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::WP:BUNDLING says that {{tag|br|s}} tags should not be used, and gives an example of a bulleted list, it goes like this:{{pb}}{{pre|Multiple sources:

  • {{cite news}}
  • {{cite web}}
  • {{cite whatever}}}}{{pb}}I have implemented that in this diff in Otto Warmbier.{{pb}}An {{em|unbulleted}} alternative that adds white space between each bundled reference is {{tl|multiref2}}. See this for an example of the output. Sam Sailor 11:52, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

She not appearing please create a page

Why is this celebrity not appearing on here. Vermyttya Erahn aka O’So Celly aka Vermyttya Miller aka Vermyttya Lopez. She’s an American actress and also a music artist and was married to Master P nephew Young Miller. She should be included on here. She is on some big films and she just performed that the BET experience. She’s on a few magazines.

Can someone create a title for her or a page for her? 12.232.254.53 (talk) 05:23, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:It would be more appropriate to post this under Wikipedia:Requested articles/Biography. In the first place, this person would need to meet Wikipedia's Notability requirements for Actors or Musicians. A quick Google Search doesn't turn up much press coverage except for articles like this [https://ktla.com/news/local-news/santa-clarita-bride-gets-5-years-behind-bars-for-20k-fraud-scheme-targeting-the-knot/]. Muzilon (talk) 06:37, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Vermyttya Erahn was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&page=Vermyttya_Erahn deleted in February 2016]. Draft:Vermyttya Erahn was created in March 2016, and was undeleted today. Feel free to work on the draft. Sam Sailor 12:03, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Edit revert?

Someone just reverted my edit. It says in their profile they aren’t an admin, so- how do I report that? Strunkenwhite or The Modern Prometheus (talk) 06:45, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Editors do not need to be Admins in order to WP:REVERT someone else's edit. If you disagree with the other editor then your first step should be to take it up on the Talk page of the article in question. (There are certain rules about repeatedly reverting other editors within a 24-hour period: see WP:3RR). Muzilon (talk) 08:01, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:COMMUNICATE may be of help to you. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:29, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Strunkenwhite or The Modern Prometheus. This is how Wikipedia is supposed to work. Please see WP:BRD. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Can't connect anymore

How to 203.190.41.124 (talk) 10:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:What are you trying to connect to? 331dot (talk) 10:56, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Eli Joseph

I'm writing to seek guidance on how to ethically create a Wikipedia article. I was recently approached by someone offering to create a profile for a fee, but I understand that this practice conflicts with Wikipedia's policies on paid editing and conflicts of interest. While my colleagues believe I meet the notability criteria, I'm unclear on the proper steps. I need help understanding the right way to proceed, what resources are available for notability guidelines, and if there are any programs to ensure an article is created ethically, neutrally, and in line with Wikipedia's principles.

My name is Eli Joseph (born Elisee Joseph), and I was recently acknowledge for my invention of the extended reality (XR) book system. Elisee10 (talk) 16:55, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Getting approached to have an article written on you as a subject is outlined at WP:SCAM - {{Green|SCAM WARNING! If you have been contacted or solicited by anyone asking for payment to get a draft into article space, improve a draft, or restore a deleted article, such offers are not legitimate and you should contact paid-en-wpwikipedia.org immediately. more details...}} While this is not directly applicable to this case, it should be kept in mind.

:If you are the Dr. Eli Joseph outlined at [https://www.forbes.com/sites/janicegassam/2025/04/30/he-built-a-tool-that-turns-your-career-story-into-an-experience/ this recent Forbes story], note that any article on you is most likely to be based on the XR system you've created, perhaps reading like this: "The system, invented by Dr. Eli Joseph,". I don't see much coverage on this Eli Joseph beyond their involvement in the invention of this system - to that end, the topic of the XR system itself does appear notable. Articles are most often created by volunteer editors for free; however, paid editors must declare their client and that payment was received to comply with WP:PAID. Departure– (talk) 17:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::I am indeed Dr. Eli Joseph. Here is the link to my profile on the World Economic Forum (link: https://www.weforum.org/stories/authors/eli-joseph/) Elisee10 (talk) 17:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Here are the terms on the table, as I see them. Regardless of how much you're paid, the article should focus on the XR book system itself (and if it focuses on you, note that a WP:AFD discussion, or Articles for Deletion discussion, may choose to refocus the page on the system at a later point, unless you as a person are notable independent of your invention.); the editor team you are working with must declare that they're working for payment; and that you yourself should not edit the article.

:::Articles besides those of Wikipedia users (as sort of editor profiles, not normal articles) are under the coverage of policies such as WP:DUE and WP:NPOV (meaning giving content its due weight in the prose, and speaking on the material neutrally), alongside WP:V and WP:OR (which state that all material in the article should be cited to a third-party reliable source, avoiding primary sources where possible).

:::Note that, per WP:SCAM, any sort of additional charge to "keep the article up for X amount of time" is not how Wikipedia works, and assessment of notability is done by volunteer editors from around the world and cannot be paid for. You are free, however, to pay for a team to write or otherwise improve an article on your content, provided that it is notable and follows Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, as you have stated your intention of doing. I wish you luck on this, Dr. Joseph. Departure– (talk) 17:22, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you for the clarification. I’m not paying any services where I could have an article or profile of my work published for free. That being said, I spoke to another Wikipedia editor/rep through the help desk and he/she suggested that I may qualify for notability through the general or academic category. Elisee10 (talk) 18:02, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::: Eli Joseph has been protected so you will need to use the WP:AFC process and find an admin willing to accept it, please note it has also been the subject of an WP:AFD. Theroadislong (talk) 18:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Note per what I've said above: The user who created the prior page at Eli Joseph most recently was blocked for undisclosed paid editing (see Special:Contributions/KibangaWiki). Again, Dr. Joseph, any team you're working with must declare that they're working for compensation. Departure– (talk) 18:13, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::I would add, {{u|Elisee10}}, that even if not paid, anyone being above board should disclose a connection to you were they to edit about you, per the conflict of interest policy. Also know that even if they created an article for free, they might use that to pressure you to pay them for other "services", like protecting the article from deletion(something they can't promise). My advice would be to ignore any solicitations. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Got it. Thank you! Elisee10 (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Hello, @Elisee10. I suggest you also read WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 16:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Hi there, thank you for this article. I believe @ Theroadislong mentioned this article yesterday. 108.21.101.34 (talk) 17:06, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::I appreciate the input on this thread. I think it's best for me to ignore any and every Wikipedia solicitor or PR agency that promises to deliver a Wikipedia article profile of myself or my work. 108.21.101.34 (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Change of page

I need to change the page for the bank that I work for. I have change it, but someone undo my changes. The page has wrong information and a lot of information that is no longer important. Natacha Vale (talk) 17:52, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:Since you have a conflict of interest with the page Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, could you please clarify your position within the company? If you were hired specifically to edit the article, please see WP:PAID; if you are an employee of the company, please see WP:COI (and avoid directly editing the article; see Wikipedia:Edit requests for instructions on how you can change content you object to). It appears you're attempting to remove a large portion of the article, as seen here. Articles on the English Wikipedia are not owned or controlled by the subject of the article, and are written, with few exceptions, by volunteer editors, and all contributions to articles such as the one you discuss are invariably scrutinized under content policies like WP:NPOV (maintaining a neutral tone and not giving undue focus to positive or negative aspects of a subject) and WP:V/WP:OR (that all material must be cited to reliable sources, typically third-party reporting). Removing a large section of the article, especially one necessary to establish context to the company's history, goes against WP:DUE and should be avoided; again, please see Wikipedia:Edit requests for instructions on how to work with volunteer editors to change the article in a way that benefits the company in a neutral and unbiased manner. Departure– (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::I am an employee in the Corporate Communications Division of Popular, Inc. There is inaccurate information in the page that needs to be corrected. I am trying to change it and to edit some old information that is no longer correct or relevant. Please let me know what I need to do to edit the information without someone else revert the changes.  64.178.212.63 (talk) 18:18, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Claims within articles are not changed simply because a corporation does not want a page to show something. If you have any doubts about specific claims, you need to understand Wikipedia's content policies; for instance, reliably verified material (per WP:V) given its due weight (per WP:DUE) should not be removed, unless there is reason to doubt either the reliability of the source, the claim's due weight within the article, or if another, more reliable (typically more recent) source disputes the claims.

:::It appears you are attempting to edit the article as an employee of the subject, Banco Popular de Puerto Rico, and are not being directly compensated for your edits. Therefore, per WP:COI, you should not directly edit the article except through edit requests to volunteer editors. Alternatively, you could get in touch with a paid editing service; though, per WP:PAID, these services must disclose that they're working for compensation, and are expected to comply with Wikipedia's content policies. A request to remove cited information even to a paid editing service is likely to be disputed by volunteer editors. Departure– (talk) 18:25, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Information does not become "no longer relevant." If it was significant enough to be reported by reliable sources, that is an historical fact and will not go away. And "an employee in the Corporate Communications Division" of the subject company is a pretty much textbook example of the sort of person who should not even think about editing that article. See our article on "When your boss tells you to edit Wikipedia."--Orange Mike | Talk 01:57, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::The CFO that is in the page is incorrect, the bank does not have an employee with that name.{{connected contributor (paid)}}

::::The bank does not have operations in Latin America or Central America. {{connected contributor (paid)}} Eloan does not exist anymore.{{connected contributor (paid)}}

::::The new President and CEO is Javier D. Ferrer (from July 1st 2025) {{connected contributor (paid)}} Natacha Vale (talk) 14:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Names of towns in Alabama

Be able to Add to Alabama town names I mean they’re missing quite a few and they’re very Will known names like Selma Ala is not in your town names for Alabama just to name one.🤷🏻‍♂️ ArchAngel 1141963 (talk) 18:59, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:@ArchAngel 1141963 We have an article on Selma, Alabama. If you think that the town should be linked elsewhere or added to a category it doesn't currently have, you are welcome to do that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:08, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::... List of municipalities in Alabama already has it and is where you can check any others you think are missing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Our article on Selma, Alabama goes back to October 7, 2002, well over 22 years ago. Cullen328 (talk) 05:18, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Selma is a city, not a town; they're two different classifications of municipalities, and Wikipedia's category system distinguishes between types of municipalities; :Category:Towns in Alabama shouldn't have cities. Towns are typically smaller communities, whilst bigger, better-known communities are typically cities. Some may also be unincorporated, with less official status; you'd find some of them in :Category:Census-designated places in Alabama. Nyttend (talk) 22:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Can't find stub tag in article i expanded (Ferenc Pfaff)

Hi, a few days ago i expanded the article Ferenc Pfaff significantly - it now has multiple sections, 16 inline citations, several images, and over 700 words of content. However, it's still categorized as a "stub", and I can't find any {{tl|stub}} tag or template anywhere in the source editor or on the Talk page.

I've searched using Ctrl+F and manually reviewed the bottom of the article, but still can't locate the source of the stub categorization. Can someone help me identify where it's coming from and how to properly remove or update the article's classification?

Here's the article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferenc_Pfaff

Thanks! TheVeryOldHuy (talk) 23:09, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|TheVeryOldHuy}}, there is no {{tl|stub}} tag on the article (and I beg your pardon for altering your comment to disable the stub template; else this page would show up on the stubs list). It is still listed as "stub class" on the talk page; that will last until someone reassesses it. You could ask at the relevant WikiProject if they can do that. Seraphimblade Talk to me 23:48, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, Seraphimblade. Much appreciated. I didn't realize that stub status remains on the Talk page until it is explicitly reviewed, rather than automatically based on article length, content, or citations. This makes sense now. I expanded the article on Ferenc Pfaff with approximately 715 words, 16 inline citations, multiple images, and coverage of his early life, career, architectural style, and list of works. The content was primarily sourced from Hungarian-language sources and translated/summarized for clarity. As indicated, I will bring it up to WhateveraWikiProject you reccomend nk you again for the clarity and assistance. TheVeryOldHuy (talk) 00:26, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{u|TheVeryOldHuy}}, that article is clearly no longer a stub, so I moved it to start class by editing the wikicode at the very top of the article talk page. Any editor can do that, and I do so frequently. Thanks for the expansion. Cullen328 (talk) 05:24, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

John Winthrop

: John Winthrop

I have added a file which is too big and has no caption. The caption underneath it should be: "Winthrop meets with a Narragansett Native American warrior, c1631-1639. Behind Winthrop are Revs. Skipper and Whiting"

Thank you in advance

49.199.153.245 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Fixed. You just needed to add the thumb option to display the caption and thumbnail. If you ever need other help, Help:Pictures has some guidance you can use. Sungodtemple (talkcontribs) 03:14, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:

:Am I mistaken in thinking that the image is protected under copyright per paragraph 3 at https://www.mediastorehouse.com.au/terms.html and so should not have been uploaded to MediaWiki servers?

:—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:15, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::The image appears to be a colorized version of a [https://archive.org/details/cassellshistoryo01olli/page/108/mode/1up line drawing] originally published in a 19th century work, Cassell's History of the United States. While the B&W original is clearly public domain, whether a new copyright can be claimed for a colorized reproduction is a debatable point on Wikimedia. At the very least, I think the claimed license of "CC-0" is probably not quite correct. Muzilon (talk) 00:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

How long does it take for administrator intervention on ANI?

I have posted opened a discussion on WP:ANI regarding misconduct from another user. It has been several days, and other editors have also spoke out about said user's misconduct, though there seems to be no admin response yet. How long will this take? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 05:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Nobody's required to respond to an ANI request, so the simple answer is that there's no firm answer. That said, I see people have engaged with the thread. It's possible nobody feels they have anything further to say in response to the additional comments you've made, but you could always request additional opinions...though I'd probably wait at least 48 hours before doing so (inactive but open discussions won't be archived for 72 hours). DonIago (talk) 06:16, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::Oh ok.

::By the way i think my question was phrased badly, "Typically how long does it take for administrator intervention on ANI?" would be better. Thehistorianisaac (talk) 07:04, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:::There is a range of possibilities from admin involvement after a few minutes to no admin involvement and the thread being archived after 72 hours. You have started discussions about the same user on 16 June and 18 June, so it is possible that admins don't feel they need to get involved at present. TSventon (talk) 07:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Help desk archive

The retention method of the help desk has changed from 2025.

Please tell me...

  1. why it has changed
  2. how to retain by date

Whatback11 (talk) 10:58, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Whatback11, see Wikipedia talk:Help desk#archiving woes. The archiving bot stopped working, so it was decided to switch to item by item archiving, which does not use date headers. TSventon (talk) 14:25, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

The word black magic needs to be censored it's a racist word

The word black magic it needs to be censored it's a racist word to discriminate against black people. 2607:FEA8:79CD:FF60:C8:BC:82D1:E431 (talk) 16:55, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not censored for any reason. If you read black magic, it has nothing to do with black people. 331dot (talk) 17:01, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

::Adding on to this reply - Wikipedia articles are not censored for any reasons besides the direct discretion of the WMF and for illegal content. Pages are not censored simply for being discriminatory, or covering discriminatory content. For example, the English Wikipedia has pages on Slavery in the United States and The Holocaust. These are, as all articles on the project, written solely from a neutral point of view as informative pieces, and do not, themselves, form an endorsement or otherwise condone the subject matter. If you have any knowledge on why Black magic as a term has any association with discrimination against any group, and can back up that claim with reliable sources, feel free to add it to the article. Departure– (talk) 20:16, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:That is not true. Just because black magic is "evil" and "selfish" and has the word "black" in it, it doesn't make it racist. Anyways, you can't censor it. Rafael Hello! 02:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

RadioGOLDINdex

[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=250&offset=0&profile=default&search=radiogoldindex&title=Special:Search&ns0=1 RadioGOLDINdex] has 241 Results

https://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.radiogoldindex.com/ Copyright, J. David Goldin

now:

http://radiogoldin.library.umkc.edu/

Piñanana (talk) 20:35, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:I believe you're looking for Wikipedia:Link rot/URL change requests. Departure– (talk) 21:19, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Creating a page

How do I created a wikipedia page Itsmeso (talk) 21:47, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Itsmeso.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:One of the reasons I talk about creating an article rather than a page is that "creating a page" sounds quite simple, but creating an acceptable encyclopaedia article is anything but simple.

:If you insist on going ahead before getting the experience, what I will say is that first, before you write so much as a single word, you should find the independent reliable sources, and check that each one of them satisfies all the criteria in WP:42. Only when you have at least three such sources is there any point in creating a draft and starting to write; because if you cannot find those sources, it is likely that your chosen subject does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 22:00, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Question

Is Wikipedia an allowed place to get information for an article? Rafael Hello! 01:49, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:CIRCULAR. You should not normally quote Wikipedia article A as a citation for a statement in Wikipedia article B. If you're using Wikipedia to write an article for non-Wikipedia purposes (e.g. a paper for school/university), it's always a good idea to check the citations carefully. Muzilon (talk) 05:54, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Since every statement in a Wikipedia article is meant to be cited to a reliable source, what you can do is:

:* Find the specific statement in the existing article that you want to use as a source

:* Look at the end of the phrase, sentence, or paragraph for a citation reference, which should provide the information you need to find the original source for the statement

:* Find a copy of the original source (typically either online, or at a library)

:* Read the original source to understand what it actually says about the topic

:* Reference the original source in another Wikipedia article (or news article, or academic essay, or whatever it is you're writing).

:-- Avocado (talk) 12:44, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

[[John Winthrop]]

Ref number 96 - I failed to place the two page numbers correctly and they are now written in red. Please fix and please leave in the quote. Thank you. 49.199.153.245 (talk) 09:41, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{done}}. You needed "pages=634,635", not "pp. 634, 635". Maproom (talk) 11:34, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

How do I do boldface

I followed the wiki page Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Boldface I did ‘’’Yes’’’ and it didn't work I then copied what the other comments in a rfc page did by looking in the code and added a , after it and a * before it and it still hasn't worked. GothicGolem29 (talk) 22:32, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Well, first of all, just about anything you do in Wikipedia, there will be a strip at the top of the box you're doing it in. The first thing in that box is a bold, capital "B". While you're in the text box, click on that, and wherever you are in the box will appear Bold text. Replace "Bold text" with whatever you want bold. If you type something and then decide you want to bold it, highlight whatever you want to bold, and click that B. Alternatively, you can just type three single quote marks (') before and after whatever you want to bold.

:Next lesson: How did I type Bold text above (and now, here) without bolding it. Uporządnicki (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks I really appreciate it I managed to find the B above the comment box in the talk page. I tried the manual way with ‘’’yes’’’ before including in my comment in this post and now but it didn't work.

:No idea that looks like how it was done in the wiki Manual of Style/formatting paye GothicGolem29 (talk) 23:12, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::@GothicGolem29 The problem is that instead of a straight apostrophe ('), you're typing curly quotation marks () Either this is something your computer is doing to you, or you're pressing the wrong key. Note the difference between ‘’’Yes’’’ and Yes. You want the second one.Cremastra (talk) 23:16, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Your browser or device probably has an automatic feature converting straight apostrophes to curly apostrophes. It may be called "smart quotes" with an option to disable it somewhere. We may be able to help more if you name the browser and device. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I managed to find it after reading your comment snd the above one I have to hold down on the quotation and it brings it up so it has some auto hide feature that means I have to hold down on the curly apostrophe to find the right one so thanks GothicGolem29 (talk) 23:38, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I meant the general software settings may have an option to permanently disable "smart quotes". PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Thanks it did and I disabled it GothicGolem29 (talk) 00:46, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::thanks I managed to find the right ' it was a bit hidden on my device GothicGolem29 (talk) 23:35, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Lists

Hello,

I want to make a list article. Are they encyclopedic like normal articles? Rafael Hello! 01:45, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello @Rafaelthegreat. Yes, list articles are encyclopaedic. The main difference is that they talk about many different items that are under a common banner, like a musician's tours or the prime ministers of a particular country. The main part of the article is, obviously, the list, but there should still be some introductory information and context. I've seen list articles that, for the most part, are formatted more like regular articles. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 02:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Rafaelthegreat There is quite a lot of content guidance for lists at WP:Stand-alone lists, so you should start by reading that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

My change was reverted

Hi there, my name is James Callaghan. I am a pupil at Kilmarnock Academy. I changed the "Kilmarnock Academy" article to show the change in the schools leadership role of Head Teacher. David Rose is still current Head Teacher but has gone to another school to become Acting Head Teacher there. Angela Brownlie has become Acting Head Teacher at Kilmarnock Academy. I was changing the article to show the previous statement however my change was reverted and was told by I presume a moderator called "Sweetebena" that my addition "did not appear constructive". Can I please have help on why my change was reverted as I think it was a perfectly fine addition to the schools article. 2A02:C7C:D075:7E00:C1A8:41BC:40C4:A132 (talk) 01:54, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:(i) Thank you for trying to keep the article up to date, James. You provide no evidence for the assertion that A.B. is the acting head teacher. Please add a reference. (See Help:Referencing for beginners). (ii) I strongly suggest that you choose a username and are logged in when you edit. Doing so helps to give your fellow editors the impression that you have a reputation for integrity that you'd like to protect -- so your edits are slightly less likely to be whimsical. (iii) On {{Olive|Angela Brownlie, whom is part of Kilmarnock Academy's Depute Head Staff, is now in the role of Acting Head Teacher at Kilmarnock Academy}}, some simple advice for the word whom: Simply don't use it, anywhere. In "whom is part of Kilmarnock Academy", it's not appropriate; but even in "whom Kilmarnock Academy employs", where it is appropriate, who can be used in its place. -- Hoary (talk) 03:59, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::Whom is perfectly a good and correct word, in the right place. The rule for its use is to see if replacing "whom" with "him" (or "her") works: "her is part of Kilmarnock Academy" is clearly wrong; but "Kilmarnock Academy employs her" is OK.

::If you would use "he" or "she", then use "who". A good mnemonic is that "him" and "whom" both have an "m", hence my emphasis on "him" not "her". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Thank you, James, for your good faith effort to use the object pronoun "whom". Please review the grammar and continue to use the word. Applying vocabulary and grammar is the only way to avoid the dumbing down of the English language. I suggest an excellent small book "The Transitive Vampire" by Karen Elizabeth Gordon. I am not immune to mistakes so I keep a copy handy.

:.

:Your attempt to improve the article brought Kilmarnock Academy to my attention, so I now know a little about your school. For example, I didn't know that Sir Alexander Fleming had been a pupil. One improvement I would appreciate is having the dates of birth and death included for people in the "notable pupils" list. It saves me having to follow a link to determine whether they were active in the century that particularly interests me.

:.

:Humpster (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia:Guidance for younger editors may be of interest. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:35, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:On the notion that English is somehow being dumbed down, see page 1 of [https://archive.org/details/standardofusagei00lounrich/page/n15/mode/2up this century-old book]. The fact that whom is appropriate in a particular context doesn't make its use there obligatory. I'm wary of pushing anyone in the direction of studying grammar; but I welcome curiosity about it, and for those who are curious about this minor matter I recommend [http://random-idea-english.blogspot.com/2014/01/whom-watch-4-on-messrs-gwynne-lowth.html this blog post] by one Warsaw Will. -- Hoary (talk) 05:56, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

help with sports bracket and filling it in

hi a group of nascar fans are making the 2025 in season toruney bracket, but we cant fill it in, here is the bracket and how the seeding goes is 1 vs 32, 2 vs 31, 3 vs 30, etc etc. ty !! :) 45BearsFan (talk) 01:56, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:i already added the drivers to the bracket by there seed Brycenrichter (talk) 03:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

more list help

When creating a list article showing types of something, is it okay to make it when the main article shows types of something, but you can write it in a list format? Rafael Hello! 03:07, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|Rafaelthegreat}}, are you perhaps asking: {{Olive|When contemplating the creation of a list article showing the types of XYZ, is it okay to go ahead and create it when the main article on XYZ shows the types of XYZ, but when you can write much the same content, and little more, as a list?}}? If so, then what you're proposing is a redundant content fork; so no, going ahead is not okay. If you're sure that in time you'll be able to add a number of worthwhile items that don't appear in the main article, you could create it as a draft and submit it once you've added those worthwhile items. -- Hoary (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

template:Efn Explanatory footnote

Is there a way to force a line break in a lengthy explanatory footnote?

Humpster (talk) 07:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes: If all you want is a line break, then
. -- Hoary (talk) 08:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

How to read email notification

Hello Folks, I recived a notfication in my wikipeida account that says "PDoro‬ sent you an email. Hi dear Koolkrazy! I am from Poland and I am a music....."

But I dnt know where to read the full notification.

Kindly help me to find out what that notification is? --KoolKrazy (Talk To Me!) 15:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Koolkrazy If you were notified within the Wikipedia application that you have been sent an email, then the actual email will be available at your registered email address, which is set up in your preferences: see Special:Preferences under "email options". Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:33, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::... you can check back on the notification at Special:Notifications but only the truncated message will be there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:37, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

derogative?

I think this edit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=History_of_the_Great_Wall_of_China&diff=1296994864&oldid=1296994346

was correct except one word. bbc did not use a word beginning with "mong...", they wrote about "workers". The wikipedia contributor writes "Mongolians" instead. The contributor seems to have no prove for this detail. Is this derogative? I am en-2, not sure about en Wiki Policies and guidelines. (I yet corrected it) --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 16:03, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:The Artnet source says "The suspects were identified earlier this month as a 38-year-old man named Zheng and a 55-year-old woman named Wang, both from the Chinese autonomous region of Inner Mongolia."[https://news.artnet.com/art-world-archives/arrested-great-wall-of-china-shortcut-2368758] This probably means that they were Mongolian citizens, but the wording in the Wikipedia article could be tidied up to make this clear.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 16:14, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::Residents of the Chinese autonomous region of Inner Mongolia are likely to be Chinese citizens. Also they are mostly ethnic Chinese, according to the article. TSventon (talk) 18:18, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:I'm not aware of "Mongolian" being a derogatory term, fwiw. It's literally the name of a nationality. "Mongoloid", a term that was once used to describe people with trisomy 21, is now considered highly derogatory, but that's a different word. Is "Mongolian" now considered derogatory in some context? -- Avocado (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::Maybe my en-2 results in incorrect wording. My idea was whether attributing (ascribing?) a stupid action to a ethnic minority whithout having a proof who committed it is derogative against the minority. The original bbc source did not write anything about the workers' ethnicity or ethnic descent. --Himbeerbläuling (talk) 04:10, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Ah, got it. Yes, I agree that the diff you provided could have been worded better in that regard. -- Avocado (talk) 12:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Professional page

I would like a professional page made for my son Toya6348 (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia does not write articles on demand, but you can prepare a really good page for someone without knowledge of HTML code at https://www.wix.com/ Cambalachero (talk) 18:29, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::I’m not familiar with the process I need help with it Toya6348 (talk) 18:34, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::What do you mean by a 'professional page'? And are you referring to something intended for Wikipedia? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Just click "get started" at the top right of the Wix page, and it will provide tutorials. Cambalachero (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Toya6348.

:I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is and how it works.

:If appropriate sources exist to establish that your son meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability (and only in that case), then there could be a Wikipedia article about him. Irrespective of who creates the article, it will not belong to him or to you, it will not be controlled by him or by you, and it will not necessarily say what you or he want it to say. As far as Wikipedia is concerned, it will not be in any way for his benefit (or his detriment), though of course the subjects of articles often do get some benefit from articles about them. Please see WP:PROUD.

:It should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with you or him have chosen to publish about him in reliable publications, and very little else: in particular, what he says or wants to say about himself (and what you say or want to say about him) is of very little relevance or interest to Wikipedia.

:As his father, you would have a conflict of interest in writing about him: you are not forbidden to do so, but there are some restrictions, and the task is harder than when you have no conflict of interest.

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}}

:At that point, I would suggest that you look for sources which meet all the criteria in WP:42: if you can find several, it might be worth your while trying to create a draft - but if not, you will know that there is no point in going further.

:One final warning: now that you have posted here, it is quite likely that somebody will contact you offering to create an article for money. I very strongly advise you not to take up such an offer: paid editors are tolerated on Wikipedia, but most of those who might contact you are scams: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 18:55, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::So who creates the professional page like athletes.He has articles I would like a wiki page for him.Please help me Toya6348 (talk) 19:00, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You cannot have a Wikipedia article simply because you want one. It's also worth reading WP:ABOUTME, because having an article can be a millstone if people keep adding negative material to it. You would have no control over the article once it was created.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:05, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::So how do professional take control and make sure that doesn’t happen Toya6348 (talk) 19:15, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::It will never happen on Wikipedia, because anyone can edit an article as long as it complies with the Five pillars. This is why someone mentioned Wix.com. It allows you to create a personal website and say whatever you like on it.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:24, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ok thanks Toya6348 (talk) 19:27, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name

Where does this message come from? I always thought it was Mediawiki:Notitletext, but now I'm not sure. There's no edit history for that link, and it's red, but I think both are the case for all default messages that haven't been edited. And it gives the default message, so I'm not sure if that's because we don't have a MediaWiki page with that title, or if it's displaying the default message because it is the default message. Nyttend (talk) 22:28, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Nyttend}} https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosucharticle?uselang=qqx says "(noarticletext)" in that place so Mediawiki:Noarticletext is displayed. It transcludes the text from {{tl|No article text}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:06, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

::Ah, thank you; I forgot about the "message names" tool option. Nyttend (talk) 00:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

The way to submit a draft

How can I submit a draft, and what is available on the submitted draft? Upset New Bird (talk) 03:40, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Wikipedia:Articles for creation should help you get started. Do pay close attention to the {{slink|Wikipedia:Articles for creation#Creating an article|nopage=y}} section. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 03:47, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::@ClaudineChionh: Thanks for answering, but what am I gonna do if the article already exists but I want to improve it by using a draft? Upset New Bird (talk) 03:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Improve the existing article, Upset New Bird, without using a draft. Instead, edit it directly. (This the usual way in which articles are improved.) Or, if you don't want to edit it directly or are unable to do so, then use the article's talk page to suggest improvements. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Requesting Review in Mainspace

I've previously created an article in the mainspace here Rain Celmar. However, upon checking, it has the "noindex, nofollow" tag. May I ask for help in updating it so that it shows in search results, or reviewing the article if needed? Thank you very much. Mangophi (talk) 09:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Mangophi}} The whole url is not needed when linking to another article or page on Wikipedia, I fixed this for you.

:Asking for a review by a new pages patroller is not likely to speed the process; do you have a particular need for it to appear in search results quickly? I see that you took a very professional image of her, what is your connection to her? 331dot (talk) 09:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::I understand the importance of transparency in these matters, and I’d like to assure you that my intent in contributing to the Wikipedia article is entirely aligned with Wikipedia’s mission to provide accurate and verifiable information. I took the photograph because I admire the subject for her achievements and thought it would enhance the quality of the article.

::To address your concern, I am not being compensated or paid for this work, nor do I have any financial or promotional interest in the subject. My connection is that of an independent contributor who supports sharing well-sourced and neutral information on Wikipedia.

::Regarding the search results, I am simply interested in ensuring the article follows Wikipedia’s guidelines and is indexed appropriately for visibility, as is typical for public Wikipedia pages. If you have further questions or need clarification, I’d be happy to provide additional details. Mangophi (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Can you try again without using an AI? 331dot (talk) 09:38, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::And please touch on why you decided to disregard the draft submission process and place the draft in the encyclopedia yourself. So you were at her launch event at random and decided to take her picture and write about her? 331dot (talk) 09:40, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::My apologies but again to clarify, I was not compensated nor paid to write the article or take the photograph. Yes, I attended the event as a fan and wrote the article as a fan, however beyond that, I am in no way affiliated with the subject.

::As for the draft submission, it was my mistake and I have no excuses. I've tried moving it back to the draft space to request for a proper review but I couldn't see the option. I simply was not sure on how things work, hence, I've asked for it in the Help desk. As another user mentioned, I am willing to wait and have it reviewed by independent reviewers. Mangophi (talk) 09:47, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I have placed it in draft for you. If you are just a fan and took the picture yourself, it was unnecessary for you to contact the VRT regarding giving up the copyright. You had very good access to her as just a fan, appearing to be not below her on the event floor, but slightly above her. 331dot (talk) 09:51, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you your help, I had a good seat during the event. Digital cameras were allowed and so I was able to bring mine. The image was tagged for deletion thus, I had to follow the process and send an email to the VRT.

::::Again, I really appreciate your help and will do better next time. Mangophi (talk) 10:01, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Your very first edit was highly skilled for a new user, with a perfect infobox and well formatted references. Is this your first account? 331dot (talk) 10:32, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::Yes it is my first account. Actually when checking the history, I had to do multiple edits since there were times when my references were lacking. I usually check other existing pages to have an insight on how to write a good article and use proper citations. For instance, the infobox was copied from a well-known page and I just modified it for the subject. Thank you for your review! Mangophi (talk) 10:42, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ec}}, articles are only available for search engines once they are patrolled by Wikipedia:New pages patrol, or after 90 days. Unfortunately NPP is usually backlogged, so you may have to wait a few weeks. TSventon (talk) 09:21, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you, this is appreciated. Mangophi (talk) 09:30, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Your draft has been declined. You need to show that the subject meets WP:NMUSICIAN. In particular, which three of your sources meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, @Pigsonthewing! Thank you for taking the time to review the article. Based on the initial feedback, I agree that the subject does not qualify yet under the WP:NMUSICIAN tag due to lack of significant coverage and independent sources. For now, I have removed the content related to their music career.

::Would it be better to shift the article’s focus to their work under WP:NACTOR, or should I seek additional guidance in the Teahouse? Mangophi (talk) 12:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:::You need to meet GOLDENRULE, regardless of the topic being music, acting, a combination,or something else. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Referencing errors on HMNZS Manawanui (1948)

: HMNZS Manawanui (1948)

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Kathy Vanhout (talk) 11:21, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Kathy Vanhout, simply replace |website=Te Aka Maori Dictionary with |title=manawanui |website=Te Aka Maori Dictionary -- this should fix the problem. -- Hoary (talk) 12:29, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Late husband, Powell St. John update

Hello,

Yesterday I tried to update my late husband, Powell St. John's Wikipedia page, and got terribly lost, and now I can't even access the page. Please help and thank you. Talon9tor (talk) 18:14, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:The article is Powell St. John. You should use material from reliable secondary sources if you are going to edit the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:24, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @Talon9tor.

:Editing an article about somebody close to you is regarded as a conflict of interest, and you are strongly discouraged from doing so directly. Instead, please use the Edit request wizard to raise a request for a change. Please specify the change you want as explicitly as possible; and as Ian says, if you cite a reliable published source for any information you want to add, it is much more likely to be effected. ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Unable to log in

I donated some money some time back and was given the chance to register I have since lost the information to log in. How do I get the right Page to re-establish My Registration. I made a large contribution but do not seem to getting any help. John Smith 64.229.16.75 (talk) 20:26, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Contributions to the Wikimedia Foundation do not impact day to day matters like this, and donation records are not attached to accounts.

:If you lost your login information for your account, you will need to create a new account, or you may request one via WP:ACC. 331dot (talk) 20:46, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

::If you have an account with a stored email address where you can still recive mail then you can use Special:PasswordReset. You don't have to remember the username. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:34, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:Are you talking about logging in to Wikipedia (this site), or to the donation site, which is separate? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:49, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Translate

I want to create an article in a different language. How does this work? Rafael Hello! 23:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|Rafaelthegreat}}, your want is curiously ambiguous. By "a different language", I guess that you mean a language other than English. So I'll assume this for now. I've no idea which language this is. Let's suppose that it's Abkhaz. An article in Abkhaz has no place in en:Wikipedia; it instead might go in ab:Wikipedia. It would of course have to satisfy the policies and guidelines of ab:Wikipedia. There's no reason to think that these are the same as those of en:Wikipedia, so you'd have to familiarize yourself with ab:Wikipedia, and, if you need more advice, you'd have to ask there, not here. -- Hoary (talk) 00:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::Not that what I mean is how do you translate it? I do know there are different types of Wikipedias in different languages, I mean is there a special way to translate it, or do you have to write it traditionally, or any other way? Rafael Hello! 01:05, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::This was kind of my fault I said it not very clearly. Rafael Hello! 01:06, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::::See WP:TRANSLATE. You can just create a new article with specific credit given. Or perhaps the translation tool, if you'd prefer. GoldRomean (talk) 01:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::The appropriate page in this case is WP:Translate us. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::::{{U|Rafaelthegreat}}, it's still not clear whether you're asking about a translation (A) from English to a language other than English, (B) to English from a language other than English, or (C) from a language other than English to a different language other than English. If (A) or (C), you'll have to ask at the Wikipedia of the target language. If (B), the first stage is to check that you'll be able to demonstrate that the subject is "notable", as defined by and for en:Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::WP:TRANSLATE is for translating an article into English. It is linked to 67 pages in other languages if you want to translate an article into another language. TSventon (talk) 08:22, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Adding personal knowledge

{{courtesy link|David Kikoski}}

My additional info to DAVID KIKOSKI'S Wikipedia page was constructive and harmless!!!

Dave Kikoski and I were good friends in Milltown NJ since 1st grade, and his Dad gave music lessons to me and my 5 siblings!!! And my brother, Dave, played drums at 15 yrs old in a trio with Dave Kikoski at 12 yrs old on piano and his Dad on sax in central NJ bars!!! The 2 "Daves" were amazingly talented at that young age with the help of Dave's father giving us all instrumental music lessons!!! Adding this info is to this Wikipedia page is both constructive and interesting!!! 2601:84:837E:F020:40CD:38B6:BCBA:AFDF (talk) 05:01, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

: Title added. --CiaPan (talk) 05:06, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please read and digest Wikipedia:Verifiability. "It describes a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow." The (very rare) exceptions do not include "It's true!", "I was there!", "It's constructive and harmless!", or the like. -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:In addition to what User:Hoary said above, please also note that shouting (indicated by tripled exclamation marks) does not add any weight to your statements. Wikipedia community tries hard to evaluate notability on how important facts are, not on who speaks louder. --CiaPan (talk) 06:33, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::The core content policy No original research forbids adding content based only on an editor's memory or personal experience. Cullen328 (talk) 07:08, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Translation of en:Beckhoff Automation under Draft:Beckhoff Automation

Hello, I have translated the German article of the company Beckhoff Automation as far as possible into English.

Now I need help with checking and publishing the translation of the article. I would be very pleased to receive your feedback.

Best regards, --User:SP at BA(talk) 07:04, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{U|SP at BA}}, the draft now starts: "Beckhoff Automation is a global leader in ...." I needed to read no further to be sure that (i) This was corporate advertising; (ii) This was written by somebody who was paid to write it.{{Red|*}} To do: (1) Remove the promotional wording. (2) Ditch your assumption that templates for de:Wikipedia will work in en:Wikipedia (or vice versa). (3) Check that the sources for anything that could be described as an achievement are independent of the company. (4) Submit the draft. {{Red|*}} As you admit. Thank you for your candour. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Need Help in Moving Kiara Jian's page

Hi, I’ve created a draft article about Kiara Jain in my sandbox User:Renuka JPR/sandbox#Kiara Jain . Can someone help me move it to Draft: Kiara_Jain or let me know if it qualifies? Renuka JPR (talk) 07:38, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:I moved it to Draft:Kiara Jain, Renuka JPR. NB to have any hope of promotion to article status, it needs radical revision. -- Hoary (talk) 07:53, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::Could you please us with the same, it will be really helpful Renuka JPR (talk) 11:57, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Hello, @Renuka JPR. I see that your draft has now been deleted as "unambiguous advertising".

:::Please remember that a Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people, wholly unconnected with the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else.

:::What the subject says or wants to say, or what their associates say or want to say, are almost irrelevant.

:::So if you choose to try again, these are the basic steps:

:::# If you have any connection with the subject, read WP:COI and make an appropriate declaration. If you are in any way employed or paid in connection with the subject, you must declare your status as a paid editor.

:::# Assemble several reliable independent secondary sources (see WP:42)

:::# If you cannot find several such sources, do not spend any more time on this, as it will not succeed.

:::# If you can find several such sources, forget everything that you personally know about the subject, and write a neutral summary of what those sources say.

:::{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} ColinFine (talk) 14:39, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

IP User communicating across two IPs in AfD discussion

Hi, In a current AfD discussion, an IP user started a comment and mentioned a COI concerning the subject of the article as well as accusing the proposer of collusion. I responded to this, and it appears the original IP user continued the conversation from a different IP. Normally I would leave it there, but as there have already been sockpuppets identified in relation to this AfD (and articles related to it) I am concerned about possible ban evasion. Would this be something to raise to SPI? Or is there a better place for this as they are not logged in? Many thanks Nayyn (talk) 16:14, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Banishment

Is it possible for someone to be banned from Wikipedia in all languages? Like being prevented from editing on Wikipedia regardless of what language it is in? Questionadora ávida (talk) 16:40, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:m:Global bans. They're less common than site bans/blocks and are issued typically for cross-wiki abuse. Departure– (talk) 16:52, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey, I am an editor who made a big mistake by logging out of my account, and lost the ability to log back in because my school.

I have been editing without my account for over a month now, responding to ITN/C and many AFD discussions. I want to know if there is a way to log in without using auth.wikimedia.org (which is what my school blocked,) can I have some help here or is that impossible? 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:5C9F:48AE:E927:463B (talk) 16:55, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

:I think this is out of Wikipedia's scope. Is it possible for you to find a different wifi network, like at your house, library, mall etc? jolielover♥talk 17:12, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

::? 2606:9400:98A0:92A0:5C9F:48AE:E927:463B (talk) 17:16, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

How do I add certifications/charts to this song page?

Hey, so I used sfn citations for this page, Seigfried (song). Now I need to add the charts and certifications for the song (seen on Frank Ocean discography), however, the built-in citations of the certification and chart templates make it so that the full citation ends up in the "citations" era, which is just, for instance, "Smith 2023". Is there a way to move around this, or have I completely messed up? What's my next move from here? jolielover♥talk 17:11, 25 June 2025 (UTC)