Wikipedia:Help desk#Wikipedia links in section titles

The editor used to warn me as I typed a dab link, and it doesn't do that anymore. For example, I type CBC and within a few seconds it would offer to help me disambiguate it. Is this a feature that's now disabled, or did I turn it off somehow? —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:01, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Anomalocaris}} It works for me. Does it work in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&action=edit&safemode=1 safemode]? Does it work if you log out? What is your browser or device? PrimeHunter (talk) 20:13, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

::PrimeHunter: I use Windows 11 and I usually use Firefox. I clicked your safe mode link and typed

::: [ [Mercury]] could be a planet, a mythological figure, or an element.

:: (without the space in [ [) and waited a few minutes and nothing happened. Then I went to Microsoft Edge, where I wasn't logged in, logged in, and edited my sandbox, and it didn't act on dab links. Then I logged out on Microsoft Edge, and the editor dab detector worked normally. So I logged back in again and the editor dab detector stopped working. I tried changing from Monobook to Vector (2022) and that didn't turn the editor dab detector back on. Also, in Firefox, the editor dab detector works only when I'm not logged in. So it's something about my settings and it doesn't depend on which browser I'm using. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Anomalocaris}} If it fails in safemode then it's not a gadget or user script which causes the failure. Are you using the same editor when you are logged out and logged in? If you cannot immediately see large differences then it's probably the same editor. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:29, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

::::PrimeHunter: The editor dab detector works normally when I am logged out, or when I am logged in and editing in French, German, Italian, Polish, Portuguese, Spanish, or Vietnamese Wikipedia (these are the only ones I tried). The editor dab detector does not work in English Wikipedia when I am logged in, regardless of Edge or Firefox, regardless of normal or safe mode. If I am logged in, start to edit an article, and log out, a dialog box pops up with "This page is asking you to confirm that you want to leave — information you've entered may not be saved". If I stay on the page, the editor dab detector continues not to work. Conversely, if I am editing and not logged in, and I try to log in, if I answer the same dialog box question "stay on page", that aborts the login. But if I log in using a different browser tab, the editor tab does not "know" that I am logged in and the editor dab detector continues to work. But if I "Show preview", the page changes to logged in status and the editor dab detector stops working.{{pb}}The most recent significant change I made to my preferences was adding a line to User:Anomalocaris/common.js, viz importScript('User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js'); // Backlink: User:Ohconfucius/script/MOSNUM dates.js , and as you would expect, removing this line did not fix the problem. It would be good find out what is going on, because this might be affecting a probably small set of other users. —Anomalocaris (talk) 05:44, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|Anomalocaris}} User scripts don't run in safemode so if it fails there then there is no need to test your js and css pages. Are you using the same editor when you are logged out and logged in? Here "editor" means the editing interface, for example source editor or VisualEditor, syntax highlighting, and menus above and below the edit box. You don't have to compare everything but does it look similar? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:36, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::PrimeHunter: Repeated experiments with safemode, logged in, the editor dab detector does not work. I avoid VisualEditor and use it only on those rare occasions when I have to see what it looks like so I can explain something to another editor. For all of the experiments in this discussion, I used the regular source editor. I don't use syntax highlighting. My logged in editor has no menus or toolbar. It has: editing window; insert special characters tool; Edit summary field; a line with check boxes for minor edit and Watch this page; [Publish changes] [Show preview] [Show changes] [Citations] Cancel Editing help .{{pb}}Logged out editor has: Toolbar starting with B I; editing window; insert special characters tool; Edit summary field; [Publish changes] [Show preview] [Show changes] Cancel.{{pb}}—Anomalocaris (talk) 19:39, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::::{{ping|Anomalocaris}} You say the toolbar isn't there logged in. I tried to disable "Enable the editing toolbar" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing. The toolbar went away as expected but so did the disambiguation warnings. I don't know why they are tied to the toolbar. Do you have the toolbar disabled in preferences and if so, does it work to enable it? PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I'm not Anomalocaris, but I have the editing toolbar enabled and the warnings aren't working for me. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 20:01, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

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It's not working for me either. Windows 10, Firefox, source editor, I tested with Kingfisher (disambiguation). It works when logged out (tested with Firefox in private mode as well as in Basilisk) in the source editor. It doesn't work in safemode when logged in. This has already caused me to accidentally add a dab link to an article once because I rely on this feature, so it's a bit frustrating. Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 19:53, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:PrimeHunter: I checked the box for Enable the editing toolbar (This is sometimes called the '2010 wikitext editor'.) and saved. I started a new edit. Editor dab detector works now. But I don't want the toolbar, so it would be good for the editor dab detector to work with or without the toolbar. —Anomalocaris (talk) 20:24, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Anomalocaris}} :mw:Help:Extension:Disambiguator#Warning editors about linking to disambiguation pages says: "When using the WikiEditor, a notification warns editors about linking to a disambiguation page after they type the link". The mentioned WikiEditor makes the toolbar so it's apparently known behaviour. Did you disable the toolbar recently? If you enable the toolbar but hide it with the following in {{yourcss}} then the dab detector still works. Does that work for you?

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1. wikiEditor-ui-toolbar {display:none;}

::PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::.....then why isn't it working for me when I have the editing toolbar enabled? And why did it only recently stop working for Anomalocaris if it's always been tied to the toolbar? Suntooooth, it/he (talk/contribs) 21:00, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

:::PrimeHunter: Yes, that line takes away the toolbar and keeps the editor tab detector for me, but we still need to understand why Suntooooth doesn't have the editor dab detector. —Anomalocaris (talk) 03:04, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

:::PrimeHunter: It's not an acceptable solution. When I click on a lint error edit link, the editing window immediately scrolls to the top, instead of showing highlighted lint error in the editing window. Unchecking "Enable the editing toolbar" makes the problem go away. —Anomalocaris (talk) 09:37, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

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It has changed. Lint error edit links open with editing window immediately scrolling to the top whether or not I have the editing toolbar checked. Yes, I'm shouting. —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:12, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:Status report: Lint error links now work correctly. The editor dab detector now works when I have checked the box for Enable the editing toolbar, whether or not I have suppressed the toolbar in my CSS file. It would be great if the dab detector worked without checking the box for Enable the editing toolbar. —Anomalocaris (talk) 19:43, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

What do I need to do to create my own Wikipedia profile? What do I need to do to prove that there is false information on someone that has a Wikipedia profile. Thank you. 207.178.108.122 (talk) 16:26, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:We don't deal in "profiles". We deal in encyclopaedia articles. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:32, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::"Profile" is perfectly acceptable lay-person's terms for an article about a person. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:If there is an article with incorrect information, what you may do depends-

:# If there is no source for the information, it should be removed.

:# If there is a source for the information, but it is not being accurately summarized, please detail the errors on the talk page, or edit to make the information in the article match the information that appears in the given source.

:# If the source is accurately summarized, but the source is in error, you will need to contact the source to get them to correct their information, and/or provide Wikipedia with more current sources with more accurate information.

:331dot (talk) 16:38, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:And to answer your first question: you are strongly discouraged from writing about yourself in Wikipedia, but not forbidden. Your chances of success are small if you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability: they are zero if you don't meet those criteria (like most of us). See autobiography. ColinFine (talk) 17:39, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you wanna write something about you in Wikipedia, you can create an account and write it in your userpage. But creating an autobiography is discouraged and you also have to be notable. drinks or coffee ~ ♪ 09:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

AI crawlers have grouped my professional profile with my father's - attributing my book to him posthumously. I would like to create a short page to differentiate myself. I wrote something that is part of my user profile, but it's not searchable. Can you advise? I'm very low-skilled on wikipedia so any advice needs to be simple. Tnedrandolph (talk) 19:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Tnedrandolph}} Hello and welcome. Your user page("profile") is not article space, and not searchable by search engines.

:It's unfortunate, but needing to affect AI crawlers is not sufficient reason to merit a Wikipedia article- you need to be shown to meet the definition of a notable person broadly or more narrowly a notable creative professional, shown through summarizing significant coverage in independent reliable sources. You can create and submit a draft via the Article Wizard, but autobiographical articles are highly discouraged, see the autobiography policy.

:You'd probably need to contact those that run the AI to ask them to make a correction- honestly probably not an easy task. 331dot (talk) 19:25, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

:What might help is to have a Wikidata item about you, and one for the book, so I made these: {{Q|Q134878282}}; {{Q|Q134878178}}. There is already one for your father: {{q|Q16106057}}, and they are now all linked together. Please see :d:User:Pigsonthewing/About you for info on being in Wikidata. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you. Can I add to it by putting III after my name and adding Orcid# (0000-0002-3421-8900) and a Google Scholar profile? Tnedrandolph (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I've added "Ned Randolph III" as an alias, but you're known as "Ned Randolph" in many places, so we keep that as the main label.

:::I've also added the ORCID iD, but please do add the GS profile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:41, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

no notice or request just disappeared

Donald L Patrick 174.61.169.51 (talk) 18:40, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:See WP:SCAM; I really hope that you didn't pay thousands, as you were led up the garden path if any payment was made. Perhaps an admin can expand on this if the article is deleted somewhere.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:48, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::There is a page at Draft:Donald L. Patrick. It seems the person (a declared paid editor) who created the article moved it there. Waste of money paying people for articles. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 18:50, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

:::{{ec}} ::Article was "Draftified" and moved to Draft:Donald L. Patrick by {{U|HRShami}}. It appears that based on comments involved in other articles that he created in that his work on them represented undisclosed paid editing and that moving them to Draftspace is part of his effort to deal with that by having other people look at them there before moving them to mainspace. I suggest you bring it up with them and/or the company you paid.Naraht (talk) 18:57, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Yes, that is correct Naraht. It will be returned to the mainspace after other editors have reviewed it.HRShami (talk) HRShami (talk) 03:32, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{small|If you did pay thousands, I hope it was in KRW. —Tamfang (talk) 20:45, 14 June 2025 (UTC)}}

After creating a login id, some days ago I made a major revision to the Jerome McGann wiki page but I have no idea where it went or what I have to do to get it to replace the seriously inadequate page now offered on wiki.InternalExile (talk) 16:38, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:This is explained on your talk page and in the [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerome_McGann&action=history edit history of Jerome McGann]. The specific revert was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jerome_McGann&diff=prev&oldid=1293133876 here] and the main problem is that all of this is unsourced material. The tone is also less than neutral.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:43, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @InternalExile. A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what the subject, or the subject's associates, say or want to say.

:If you want to work on the article Jerome McGann, by far the most useful thing you could do is to find several sources that meet all the criteria in golden rule - reliability, independence, and significant coverage - and make sure the article is essentially a summary of what those sources say, removing any unsourced material, and the majority of material that is sourced only to non-indpendent sources such as his homepage.

: Please see WP:RS for information on what constitutes a reliable source, and WP:REFB for how to go abot citing sources in an article. ColinFine (talk) 19:22, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

{{courtesy link|Draft:Nicholas F. Talesfore}}

Dear Wikipedia Team,

I hope this email finds you well. I'm reaching out to seek help with creating a Wikipedia page for my father, who has made significant contributions to the field of industrial design.

I recently tried to create a user page for him, but I received a message stating that it didn't meet Wikipedia's guidelines. I understand that user pages are not meant for promoting individuals or their work, and I apologize for any confusion.

My goal is to create a neutral and verifiable article about my father's life and work, highlighting his achievements and contributions to the field of industrial design. However, I need guidance on how to proceed and ensure that the article meets Wikipedia's standards.

Could someone please assist me with the following:

- Providing feedback on my draft article

- Helping me understand what sources are required to establish notability

- Guiding me through the process of creating a Wikipedia article

I would greatly appreciate any help or direction you can offer. Please let me know if there's any additional information I need to provide or if you'd like to discuss further.

Thank you in advance for your time and assistance.

Best regards,

Jennifer

Nick Talesfore (talk) 17:06, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:Chatbot-written threads will not be entertained. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:10, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Nick Talesfore Probably because of your relationship to the subject, you have written your draft backwards: that is, you have written what you know but have not backed up the information with reliable sources so that readers can verify everything. Please read all the pages I have linked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:16, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you for your feedback. I understand your concerns about conflict of interest, but I'd like to clarify that my father is over 80 years old and requires assistance with sharing his story. I'm working closely with him to gather accurate information and ensure that it's presented in a neutral and verifiable manner. To be honest, even for me, the process of creating a Wikipedia page has been quite complicated, and I appreciate your guidance on providing reliable sources to support the content. I'll make sure to review the pages you've linked and do my best to implement them correctly. I have all the necessary sources to back up the information we have written, and I'm committed to getting it right. Thank you again for your help and guidance. Nick Talesfore (talk) 17:55, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Wikipedia is not a place for anyone to share their story; we want to know—that is to say, you should only include—what independent, reputable publications have said about him.

:::If he wants to share his story, Wikipedia:Alternative outlets has some suggested outlets.

:::Also, if you are Jennifer, you should not be using your father's name for an account when writing about him. You can request a rename. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:22, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thank you for clarifying Wikipedia's policies, Andy. I understand that my father's personal story is not suitable for Wikipedia. However, I'd like to highlight his notable contributions to the development of Channel F gaming system and other industrial achievements, which have been recognized by reputable sources. Id like to know how to properly document these contributions on Wikipedia but this feels well over both our heads. I will have to seek help in another way. Nick Talesfore (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::Baby steps! Can you find three sources that meet the requirements at WP:42? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

I need help. I uploaded an image for the Dexter episode The Dark Defender and the caption and image section just isn't working and I don't know why. It has happened before and it makes me irritable. Could you please tell me what is wrong or correct the situation? Stadt64 (talk) 22:39, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

:It has already been fixed, Stadt64. (What was wrong was prefixing the filename with File:.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::Although I fixed that particular problem, what was actually preventing the image from appearing is that Stadt64 added {{para|image}} and {{para|caption}} fields to the infobox when those fields (empty) were already present lower down in the infobox. In such a case, what gets displayed is whatever's in the second of the two identical fields—in this case, nothing. That was fixed in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Dark_Defender&diff=prev&oldid=1295461999 this edit] by Davemck. Deor (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Stadt64 (talk) 13:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

She was born in New Jersey not in New York couple years ago, I had an article all about her. It was in the New Jersey magazine and state, she was born in the state of New Jersey not New York 2601:88:8200:9790:6560:8359:5319:EF22 (talk) 02:38, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

: You should bring this up in the talk page of the relevant article, with a specific link or reference to the article. -- Infrogmation (talk) 02:56, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

: The article Ann Hathaway currently cites [https://www.biography.com/actors/anne-hathaway this], which says "Anne Hathaway was born on November 12, 1982, in Brooklyn, New York." Your task, in a new discussion at the foot of Talk:Anne Hathaway, is to cite one, two, or three sources (but no more!) that are more credible than biography.com, are independent of each other, and that say she was born in New Jersey. -- Hoary (talk) 03:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

A new user named Someone123454321 keeps restoring their edits despite others telling them not to do that. They're currently at Talk:Finger pinching conspiracy theory#About the gender inequality tag in the article. I've instructed them to visit Teahouse, but they're not going there either. I'm not very good at dealing with newcomers, so can someone else please join the discussion to talk with them? I know these sort of things usually go to RfC or ANI, but I think that's too early at this stage. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 03:24, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:I see that {{u|Someone123454321}} has responded multiple times (I think seven) at Talk:Finger pinching conspiracy theory. Maproom (talk) 07:21, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::The problem here is that they don't change their behavior after responding and giving apologies. They don't realize their editing has a coherent issue. It's not just me that told them about this, as you can see in User talk:Someone123454321. I don't know how to proceed from here when I told them to ask at Teahouse and this advice is also deflected. Emiya Mulzomdao (talk) 08:01, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I do realize that I've made some mistakes in my earlier edits, but with the edits I made after the talk page, I couldn't nessisarily sense the repetition of the mistakes from what I had apologized before, such as editing the talked topic just after 2 days, or editing for Megalia. After June 7th, which was when I started to have the discussion on the talk page, I couldn't realize any heavy mistakes or biases made, and please point out any if you see one. Someone123454321 (talk) 08:16, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please follow the process described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

So i want to write like, a fictional planet or star on my sandbox page. Can i do that? EpicCoder (talk) 05:59, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:See Help:My sandbox. Your sandbox is a place to practice editing or build a draft article. So, you could write about your fictional planet or star while practicing writing an article, but if you leave the material there too long it might get nominated for deletion as a fake article or under WP:NOTWEBHOST. Do not label it as a draft, do not move it to draft space, and definitely do not move it to article space. Meters (talk) 06:20, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:Always remember, Wikipedia is not a webhost. We will not allow our server space to be used to store or work on your fictitious astronomy. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:42, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

WP:IUP makes my head spin, and I'm not interested in uploading images anyway, but I'd be grateful if someone could answer this question. I know that it's not allowed to upload a photo of (for example) a celebrity that I found on the internet. Users are, however, allowed to upload photos of celebrities they've taken themselves, which is why so many photos of celebrities on WP are of such markedly poor quality. But what's to stop me taking a photo of a celebrity directly from my TV screen? Surely, in that case, I created the image entirely myself, and therefore I own all rights to it? --Viennese Waltz 11:32, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:You didn't create the image, the creator of the program created the image. If you watch a TV newscast, at the end it usually says "all rights reserved" in order to prevent someone from doing what you propose. 331dot (talk) 11:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::But we're talking about two images here, the image I see on the screen and the one saved on the memory of my camera. The creator of the program created the image I see on the screen, sure. But I created the image that's saved on my camera. --Viennese Waltz 11:41, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:::What I'm saying is that is a distinction without a difference. A hypothetical example- If you handwrite a copy of The Hunger Games novel, or take pictures of its pages, and then go and try to sell them as a copy of the novel, you will be quickly sued by Suzanne Collins and her publisher. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::::OK, that makes sense. But which section of WP:IUP explicitly forbids doing this? --Viennese Waltz 11:52, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::"Own work: You own all rights to the image, usually meaning that you created it entirely yourself. In case of a photograph or screenshot, you must also own the copyright for all copyright-protected items (e.g. statue or app) that appear in it"(my emphasis) If you take an image of a TV screen in order to get an image of a celebrity, you must own the copyright to everything in the image(including the program you are taking an image of). 331dot (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::The part that links to WP:List of policies#Legal. The hypothetical picture you wish to take would be a derivative work and is not a way to get round the originator's rights. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:06, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

::Let's avoid the risk of misunderstanding here, Viennese Waltz. In order to claim copyright ("All rights reserved"), it's not necessary for a copyright holder to announce "©", "All rights reserved", or similar. Assume that any TV program is conventionally copyright ("© All rights reserved") unless you can produce clear evidence that it isn't. -- Hoary (talk) 12:12, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

@ 105.113.63.11 (talk) 13:42, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:What is your question? 331dot (talk) 13:50, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

A person named Sabrina has taken our money by working under your company's name. Apurba chadni (talk) 16:20, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you are referring to Wikipedia as a "company", unfortunately it seems that you were scammed; see WP:SCAM for more information. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

There are other routes, are there? Could I submit a draft of my new article to a highly-trafficked WP page and ask someone else with a username to create it for me? Where does that happen?

Or do I need to dust off the usernames I haven't used in many years to start an article myself?

I'd like to remain anonymous and contribute anonymously these days. I don't like to be remembered with a memorable username because some rogue users could remember me for the wrong reasons. --2600:100A:B055:D419:AD97:AC5:ECB4:402 (talk) 21:57, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:IPs may submit a draft via the Article Wizard. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:And you're much more anonymous if you make an account. No need for the username to be memorable. —Cryptic 22:26, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you're worried about privacy, I would recommend an account. As Cryptic said, it doesnt have to be memorable or connected to your identity in any way. Also remember that with some technical know-how, an IP adress may be able to be traced back to the rough location of your ISP. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 23:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

:Yes, I strongly recommend getting a username. It make you much more private than using an IP address. Two clicks and zero technical knowledge tells me you're probably in Kansas. HiLo48 (talk) 01:00, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::Hi, same IP user from the 14th here. Kansas has nearly 3M people so I'm not concerned, but thanks for letting me know. --2600:8803:1D13:7100:6B31:6625:C71B:876D (talk) 19:29, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

: Dananeer Mobeen

I had requested for protection removal a few days ago but could not get any response from admins nd today I have atgain requested and atached some references whose prove that it is a famous actress meets notability guidelines. Either its protection should be removed so that I can write an article according to a Wikipedia guideline sor one of the admins can write this article. [https://samaa.tv/2087329679-has-dananeer-mobeen-overshadowed-ahad-raza-mir-in-meem-se-mohabbat], [https://wailytimes.com.pk/1223929/dananeer-set-to-play-lead-role-in-meem-se-mohabbat/amp/], [http://english.aaj.tv/news/330415326], [https://tribune.com.pk/story/2283925/explainer-who-is-dananeer-mobeen-1?amp=1], [https://images.dawn.com/news/1186596/from-a-meme-to-a-million-pawri-continues-for-dananeer-as-she-hits-1m-followers-on-instagram], [https://www.gndiatoday.in/amp/trending-news/story/remember-pawri-ho-rahi-hai-girl-dananeer-mobeen-she-now-features-in-this-pakistani-show-2376824-2023-05-09], [https://www.samaa.tv/208735193-dananeer-mobeen-faces-backlash-over-palestine-support-comment], [https://www.samaa.tv/index.php/208732261-lsa-2023-from-dananeer-to-bilal-abbas-khan-full-list-of-winners] Behappyyar (talk) 02:43, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Here's a third, far better option, Behappyyar: You can improve Draft:Dananeer Mobeen (actress). If you (or some other editor(s)) can do so in a way that complies with en:Wikipedia's policies, then it can be promoted to full article status. -- Hoary (talk) 04:20, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thanks. And if I want to work afresh, can I draft in the name of Draft:Dananeer Mobeen? Behappyyar (talk) 04:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::The disruption was so bad that even that draft-space name is blocked from creation by many users. Fortunately, you are WP:XC, so you should be able to use it. DMacks (talk) 06:28, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks for response. I'll make the draft soon and work on it. Behappyyar (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::There would then be two drafts about the same person, Behappyyar. That's a very undesirable situation. If you don't like the current content of Draft:Dananeer Mobeen (actress), then improve the content. You are of course welcome to replace parts and to simply remove parts. If or when the result is "accepted", the article can be titled plain "Dananeer Mobeen" (not "Dananeer Mobeen (actress)"). -- Hoary (talk) 09:28, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::::I know that, but it is better to start from a beginning and yes I aslo was thinking of credit for the article creation. Whoever will work should also get credit. Behappyyar (talk) 17:06, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia is not so great

I added the issue of WP:TWRFC to the essay titled "Why Wikipedia is not so great", but my edits were swiftly reverted. The editor who reverted my addition said, "Likewise, advocacy of fringe POV and pushing of fringe content and conspiracy theories is not tolerated., and I have already explained to you that your interpretation on WP:TWRFC is incorrect." But essays are described as follows, "Some essays represent widespread norms; others only represent minority viewpoints", so not having differing viewpoints in an essay on Wikipedia policies kind of defeats the purpose of having an essay in the first place. Is it fine for me to restore my addition to the essay? I do not believe my view is considered WP:FRINGE. I was not pushing medical quackery, flat earth theories or anything of that nature. Félix An (talk) 03:23, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Félix An No, you should discuss this with the reverting editor. See WP:BRD. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:20, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

: Your edit included the comment that {{Tq|1="Now that the denizens of the talk page have achieved their goals, they are quick to counter any dissenting opinions with 'reliable sources' that fit their agenda."}} You will need to show that consensus to include such a dramatic statement exists. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:26, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

When you insert a citation automatically from newspapers.com, it adds it as a cite web and puts the date, the page number, the newspaper and the website in as the title (eg. "Apr 15, 2011, page 21 - News and Record at Newspapers.com") meaning that either you have to insert the citation manually or switch to source editing (or put up with it).

With newspapers.com being such a common source, does anyone know what the process is for getting the way, citations from the site are processed, changed?

(cf. Google book references, which get processed better).

Thanks, MmeMaigret (talk) 04:54, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:The tool that does that is WP:CITOID. Please raise the issue on Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library/Citoid or raise a ticket in Phabricator. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:23, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::{{ping|Mmemaigret}} Please always include a reproducible example, in this case a url, when you report an issue. I tried https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/18240005/ and got the date in the date field:

::{{Cite web |date=1977-05-12 |title=Blue Island Sun-Standard from Blue Island, Illinois |url=https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/18240005/ |access-date=2025-06-15 |website=Newspapers.com |language=en-US}}

::Citoid uses an external tool Zotero where a change should probably be but it's hard to say without your url. The code is at https://github.com/zotero/translators/blob/master/newspapers.com.js. With your url I would first test whether another Zotero user like https://zbib.org/ gets a similar result. I'm not a GitHub user. https://github.com/zotero/translators/issues has a "New issue" button which leads to a login screen. You should absolutely give an example url if you post there. If you only post to Phabricator where somebody might pass it on to Zotero then obviously also give a url. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::@PrimeHunter Thanks, I'll try to post to Phabricator. (Btw: the url for my examples was https://www.newspapers.com/image/960939224) MmeMaigret (talk) 14:59, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

::::{{ping|Mmemaigret}} https://zbib.org/ gives the same title and the HTML source of the page says: : It would require a change at Zotero to split out the date. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

: Napster

I am not sure which of the various logos is best to add (and would satisfy fair use). See [https://logos.fandom.com/wiki/Napster Napster | Logopedia] . Can someone here add the best logo to the article's infobox? _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 07:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Hanyangprofessor2 Done. I went with the one from https://www.instagram.com/napster/. It's possible Commons would accept this one, being pretty simple, but I'm not sure. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for making the call. I think we could make an argument for adding their distinct historical logo under fair use too...? _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 02:50, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Perhaps, but I think more clearly so if it was mentioned/discussed in the article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 02:56, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

He flew in Lancasters. He was awarded DFC and bar. He had two children - Sarah, older sister and son Richard Douglas - known as Douglas (Doug). Douglas married in 199? to Sarah Catherine Moore - now Sarah Siddons, although now divorced. Mr. Siddons Sr was a hero, hence his medals, which you can clarify and his page should reflect a wonderfully amazing man.

I never met my father-in-law, but I believe the ‘war’ on a gentle man, played a huge part in his very sad and upsetting ‘suicide’. He deserves more respect in his write up. I observe his duty and loss every year. Please give him the respect he surely deserves. Thank you. Sincerely Sarah Siddons (ex-wife to Douglas). 2A00:23C8:4895:B601:3067:8A79:F1E8:D93F (talk) 16:35, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:We're not going to write a eulogy for him. And frankly, almost all the sources cited in the article on him are unacceptable, being mostly user-generated content such as IMDb and Find A Grave. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:39, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::However, there are also sources like [https://archive.org/details/masterbombersexp0000feas/page/n7/mode/2up?q=Siddons]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:04, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Sarah Siddons, welcome to Wikipedia. The Harold Siddons article is supposed to be a summary of reliably published sources about Harold Siddons. Being his relative, you are in a good position to know some good ones. It can be helpful if you go to Talk:Harold Siddons and mention the best you know of, I'll watch that page and see what happens, we can talk further there if you like. Consider also WP:REGISTER. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:11, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::To further elaborate on what Grabergs says, we accept offline sources (relevant here since the subject died before the Internet was widespread), so we'd want print sources (newspapers, news magazines, scholarly books) over anything online. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 17:13, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::But we don't mind using online pay-walled newspaper archives at all. I have on a couple of occasions cooperated with relatives of article-subjects who put scans of old articles on google drive or similar, this can work quite well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Again, I regret that British Newspaper Archive was taken away from the Wikipedians. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:33, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Some useful hits at newspapers.com, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:43, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Sarah, noting your likely age, do you have a younger person who could help you with this? It can be quite challenging to get a Wikipedia page updated, so asking a younger person to help might be a good idea. All the best. Blackballnz (talk) 00:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I just signed up to be an editor but I need to change my user name. Is this possible to do, or should I create a new account? WSlleaf (talk) 20:52, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @WSlleaf. You can change your username: see WP:CHU. However, since this is your only edit, you could just as easily abandon this account and create a new one. ColinFine (talk) 21:08, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

I plan on changing the name of a pre-existing infobox parameter ("long" to "length" on Template:Infobox artifact). Is it possible to have a bot update articles to use the new name? RajanD100 (talk) 01:38, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:Definitely! Or at least a semi-automated script for what sounds like a one-time task. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks is probably the place to request it. DMacks (talk) 12:40, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

i don't know how to fix this, it shows the right email, but no code 2601:8A:4001:F460:319B:67AE:8CCE:B98A (talk) 03:18, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:Check your "junk/spam" folder. Moxy🍁 03:22, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

I do not receive the 2FA code to log in to my account. I have verified that I have no problem receiving email to my gmail account associated with my logon. I have verified my spam folder. 70.121.17.97 (talk) 19:37, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

Illinois - Reference Request Update

Our IL Corn website has updated and this was used as a source for your ethanol resources. Source #228 - Ethanol Fact Sheet - Illinois Corn Growers Association. 2010. Please use this link: https://irp.cdn-website.com/c2b3ed38/files/uploaded/Ethanol_Facts_%28800_x_2500_px%29.pdf - or this one: https://www.ilcorn.org/ethanol for ethanol resources and stats. Tdesmond2025 (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Tdesmond2025 Thanks for wanting to improve that part of the article. I've taken a look and it is a bit complicated since the agriculture section currently includes comparison statements like "ranks second" and "ranking third" for various dates. Hence it isn't as simple as swapping the sourcing but will require some re-writing. In view of your conflict of interest, I think it would be best if you could use the edit request wizard to specify on Talk:Illinois what exact change should be made, based on your knowledge of the sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Game of Thrones season 8#Reception has a graph that used the now-unsupported Graph extension. It needs to be converted to the Chart extension, but I don’t know how to do that. Yyannako (talk) 01:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:[https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Chart have you tried reviewing this?] Moxy🍁 01:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::I don't know what any of that means. It's all Greek to me. 😵‍💫 Yyannako (talk) 03:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:::I'm wondering if this is a request that {{ping|GalStar}} can help with. Moxy🍁 23:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the ping. @Yyannako This uses Template:Television Rotten Tomatoes scores. However the new chart extension only supports static data; I don't think there is a simple way to do this. This falls in the same category as the airport and historical demographics templates. GalStar (talk) 03:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I noticed the mistakes I made in the page i created. I have made the necessary changes and submitted a dispute to be reviewed. How do I know if the changes will be implemented? please help Muamba Kevin Mubenga (talk) 03:23, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Muamba Kevin Mubenga, hi. If you're new to wikipedia, the teahouse is probably the best place to ask for help. The help you'll get there is more oriented to new editors. If you're talking about your userpage, it is nominated for speedy deletion because it contains material not related to wikipedia. Your userpage should be a record of your profile as it relates to editing wikipedia. I haven't checked the links, but it looks like it might be promotional aswell. If you're talking about another page, it would be helpful if you linked to it here. As I said though, the teahouse is a better place for this. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 04:24, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello. I am the person responsible for creating (patenting) the world's first basketball bag in 1994. I have always wanted to also put on Wikipedia as it deserves this placement in history. I have every supporting document, samples, news articles in national publications, etc from back in the 1990's-2000's when we were manufacturing and distributing them worldwide. How do I approach listing it on Wikipedia? Thank you.

NOTE: For more details and information please feel free to search "Basketball Bags" on Facebook, or send me an email for full details. 24.248.172.112 (talk) 05:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please see Your first article. Generally speaking, you should not write about things with which you are personally involved. Also, there would have to be significant coverage to make a separate article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:I've got to be sceptical about anyone claiming to have created 'the world's first basketball bag' in 1994. It seems rather unlikely that nobody ever tried stuffing one into some sort of bag before then... AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Quick bit of googling, and I don't see any information about the worlds first basketball bag. Even if it really took until 1994 for someone to make a bag for basketballs, it can't have an article if there are no reliable secondary sources published about it. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 11:04, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:If you have at least three news articles (which fall into the category of Secondary sources) from multiple Reliable-source national-level publications that are

::(i) independent of yourself/your company (so not based on interviews or press releases), and

::(ii) of substantial length rather than just passing mentions or entries in listings,

:then an article that summarises the material in them should meet Wikipedia's Notability requirements provided it is properly formatted and every included statement (sentence by sentence) is correctly cited to the sources with their bibliographical details (and online links if available, though these are not essential) which will be listed in a References section at the article's end.

:Internal documents, samples etc. would be considered Primary sources, which are not eligible for establishing Notability. Published sources not independent of the subject (such as company websites) can be used sparingly to corroborate minor, non-controversial facts.

:Read the quick guide at WP:Golden rule and if you think you have suitable sources, create a Draft using Wikipedia:Articles for creation and, when you think it is ready, submit it for review. If it is Declined for improvements, follow the advice given and try again – there will likely be several rounds of this (which is normal).

:Note that, to do this successfully, you must forget everything you personally know about the subject and write the draft based ONLY on the material in the published Reliable sources – this is not easy, which is why we discourage (though not forbid) people from writing about subjects connected to themselves.

:You will also need to make a Conflict of Interest declaration on your Talk page (provided your IP is not dynamic) and perhaps also on the Talk page of the draft, so that everybody understands the situation. If you open a User account it would make things easier (as other editors can then more easily give you links to advice), but this is not a requirement (see Wikipedia:Why create an account?).

:If you still want to go ahead – good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81,.30.195} 94.11.213.205 (talk) 00:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::How is a basketball bag going to differ in any major way from a soccer ball bag? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs) 01:17, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Looking at those for sale on line (of various designs) it's bigger because basketballs are lighter than soccerballs so you can carry more. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:49, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::::In what world are basketballs lighter that footballs? - Roxy the dog 08:52, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:::::I think the IP is referring to a sportsbag for one person with a room for a single basketball and other rooms for things like clothes and a water bottle. The "first" claim is probably based on having a round basketball-sized room and being marketed for basketball. Google found [https://www.facebook.com/BasketballBags/videos/1012849245533489/ HoopSaq] which claims to be the world's first "Basketball Bag" from 1994. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:39, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

You have mentioned that southasia patly lies in southern hemesphere which is totally incorect. As we can see 95% of south Asia lies in Northern hemesphere. "Please consider the issue" 223.184.217.133 (talk) 13:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please link the page you refer to. Anyway, "partly" can be a small part. If "95% of south Asia lies in Northern hemesphere" then that would leave 5% in the Southern Hemisphere. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:The Maldives are in South Asia, and are partly south of the equator. Maproom (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi all. How to resolve a number of disagreements, if they (or some of them) are not being seen or responded through the :WP:3O? M. Billoo 16:53, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:Dispute resolution? DonIago (talk) 18:45, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello Im inquiring about adding myself to wikipedia here is my info www.Bobbyjoebell.com Bjb9269 (talk) 19:08, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

:We aren't really concerned about what you think you 'need'. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, with content based on in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources sufficient to meet out notability criteria - for musicians see WP:MUSICBIO. If, but only if, such sourcing can be found, you should read Wikipedia:Autobiography - we don't absolutely prohibit writing about oneself, but it is strongly discouraged. And content needs to be neutrally worded, and cited to published sources. If you go ahead, you will need to submit a draft for approval. And note in particular that if an article about you is approved, you will have no editorial control over it. Having a Wikipedia biography doesn't always turn out to be a good thing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

this exhibition has barely any information on WikiData. That's why the infobox only displays the exhibition name. Aside from researching this exhibition myself (I'll pass, thanks) what can be done? Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 02:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:{{tl|Infobox exhibition}} has {{parameter|fetchwikidata}} defaulting to none. I have added some of the local values in the presumably originally substituted infobox that was removed in this diff. Sam Sailor 07:40, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Would a user named e.g. "Starfall2016" be blocked with the note that the username is too similar to the user in good standing (me) Starfall2015? Starfall2015 chat | about me 09:07, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Probably not, unless it was used to imitate or harass you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:50, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::I think we (at least I) would include in that calculation any editing of the same topics. I note there is a User:Starfall2077 registered in 2021. Coincidence? I recommend a perusal of Wikipedia:Editors who may be confused, where lots of similar usernames peacefully coexist. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

I work for a small newspaper and in the past week I discovered that our editor has been committing widespread plagiarism, copying many of his articles from various other news sources and publishing them word-for-word with himself named as the author. I found that he has been copying Wikipedia articles for use in the children's paper we also publish. He names himself as the author and gives no attribution of any kind for the text or the pictures he also uses. I am wondering if anyone has some advice on how I should handle this. 68.65.61.228 (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:You could try explaining that attribution is required for Wikipedia content, in case they were not aware (they would not be the first to not know this). Whether or how you do that, and at what risk, is entirely your own problem, but it might be an interesting lesson in tact and diplomacy. Perhaps one of your, errm, readers could highlight the issue in a letter to the editor. I suppose the alternatives, if they don't care about plagiarism or copyright, include resigning, consulting a union, and performing a coup, depending on your individual circumstances. Don't listen to career advice from strangers on the Internet. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 15:59, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Can Explanatory footnotes contain inline citations? If this is the case, then is it advisable or should it be avoided? Donn Fretz (talk) 15:53, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:@Donn Fretz Yes. See Joe Biden for an example. I've no strong view on whether this is a good idea. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:It should always be done if the footnote is making a claim which may be challenged, or one that relates to a living person, just like for any other statement.

:A footnote cannot be used as a "free pass" around our policies on such things.

:That said: the nature of some footnotes means that they are unlikely be be challenged and may not need to be cited. As is often the case on Wikipedia, there is no black-and-white rule and editorial discretion, or talk page discussion, may be used.

:There are examples both with and without in an article I recently created, which uses footnotes extensively: Thomas Bolton (microscopist). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:13, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm working on creating a page for a company that has lots of Google articles/media articles to use as resources to support it. I'm wondering how long it takes to submit the page and know if it's approved or not? Is that a matter of days, weeks, months? 75.34.224.55 (talk) 18:15, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:You will need to declare any conflict of interest and register an account with a username, I have left details on your talk page. Theroadislong (talk) 18:24, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, IP user. While we loosely talk about "a page for somebody or something", I suspect it will help your thinking if you substitute "a neutral encyclopaedia article about a company, which summarises what several people wholly unconnected with the company have chosen to publish about the compnay in reliable publications, and very little else". In particular, {{HD/WINI}}

:As for how long, that is pretty well unpredictable. But what I will say is {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} (And that's even without a conflict of interest).

:In short: please read WP:BOSS. ColinFine (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey. I noticed there is a page about Sex Work in Paris however the title uses Prostitution which is a bit derogatory

The term "prostitute" is often considered rude or offensive because it carries a history of being used to shame and stigmatize individuals who engage in sex work, framing it as a moral failing rather than a form of labor. The word "sex work" is preferred by many, including some activists and researchers, as it acknowledges the labor aspect of the exchange and avoids the negative connotations associated with "prostitution".

I did try to edit the page for Prostitution in Paris and changed the words in the article there to Sex Work / Sex Workers etc but I am not able to change the titles. I think we should take into consideration this and change all articles that use the Word Prostitution as I see there is a Wikipedia Page about Prostitution as well. I hope I was clear enough thanks. 2A02:C7C:5113:D200:CD36:10CE:CA63:CEDE (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:What you can do is to initiate a requested move and post your rationals in the ensuing discussion. Note that it is recommended to provide reliable sources to back up your claim. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 18:34, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

:Please also note that prostitution and sex work are not synonymous. The former is a type of the latter. Sam Sailor 18:47, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

::We have 94 "Prostitution in" articles in the :Category:Prostitution by country, so I don't think that moving one article makes sense. You could try asking at a relevant wikiproject. Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red isn't the most relevant project, but it has an active talk page. TSventon (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:::Your edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prostitution_in_Paris&diff=prev&oldid=1296230525] broke numerous things by changing "prostitution" in page names and url's. It also falsified many reference titles and quotes. Some of them turned into a weird English-French mix. Don't do anything like this again with a lazy find-and-replace on a whole page. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Mosh by Eminem should be included in this article. 103.51.112.87 (talk) 02:34, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:You can suggest that on the article's talk page. Please be sure to include a source that verifies the subject of the song. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:17, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

I am sure that I've seen someone link to a page (no recollection if it was an essay, policy, guideline, MOS or something else) that said that it's best practice not to put a "Controversies" section in a BLP page. I haven't been able to find it - does anyone know if this exists? Did I imagine it? Thanks in advance. Samuelshraga (talk) 13:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

:WP:CSECTION.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:22, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

::Thank you! Samuelshraga (talk) 13:47, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi all.

Some Pakistani newspapers / TV channels are considered as WP:RS, while others may not. Names like are Dawn (English) / Dawn News (Urdu language), The Express Tribune (en) / Express.pk (ur), Geo News, ARY News, and etc., have been frequently used as citations to support the articles on Wikipedia.

Recently, my attention was brought to WP:RSP and WP:NEWSORGINDIA policies. While the latter is for Indian based websites, it may give a general rule that unbylined websites may not qualify RS and NPOV. Similary, at RSP, I saw Forbes website being listed as well, which some may find unreliable due to various reasons given there.

Notably, during recent :2025 India–Pakistan conflict, we saw a number of fabricated news reports as well, and therefore the government / armed forces officials from both sides announced to only follow the news presented by them and not others. Plus, involvement of international media was also seen to present the reports without being biased.

A number of news journalists in Pakistan have also become independent YouTube personalities now, but then the problem is subtitles/transcripts, and one may also assume that the channel/video is not notable due to the subscriber or view count. Few notable names:

• Mansoor Ali Khan (Hum News)
• Mubasher Lucman (ex-Dunya News)
• Amna Haider Isani (thenews.com.pk)

Ruling by that, how we may use Pakistani citations if writing for articles under WP:PAK abiding Wikipedia policies? I am open to have creative discussion because I have many other points in my mind as well, and may consider involvement of other senior/established editors based in Pakistan, probably by taking this to the WikiProject's talk. Thank you! M. Billoo 15:03, 19 June 2025 (UTC)