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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:22, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness }} → :Election  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Democratic_Elections-_Some_Prerequisites_for_Fairness&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Democratic_Elections-_Some_Prerequisites_for_Fairness stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Democratic Elections- Some Prerequisites for Fairness closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No such book title etc. A search only returns Wikipedia mirrors. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 21:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:21, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Black hole FAQ }} → :Black hole  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Black_hole_FAQ&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Black_hole_FAQ stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Black hole FAQ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Black hole FAQ closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Black hole FAQ|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Black hole FAQ closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Black hole FAQ|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Black hole FAQ closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

WP:NOTFAQ. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:29, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and not a notable book. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 22:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:56, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Any creativity I could have had with my answer was washed away by rain (sic) sent here by Eureka Lott's comment. Steel1943 (talk) 05:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete - This looks like an open-and-shut case. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 21:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was retarget to Apache (video game). (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Apache (computer game) }} → :Team17  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apache_(computer_game)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Apache_%28computer_game%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Apache (computer game)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Apache (computer game) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Apache (computer game)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Apache (computer game) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Apache (computer game)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Apache (computer game) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Apparently the target article (Team17) does not list a game titled "Apache". Either retarget or delete. Lordtobi (✉) 21:15, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Retarget to Apache (video game). - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to Apache (video game) per Champion. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 23:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. I'm performing an WP:INVOLVED close given the clear consensus and backlog. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:19, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Loudest man-made sound on Earth }} → :Rocket engine  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loudest_man-made_sound_on_Earth&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-14&end=2017-01-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Loudest_man-made_sound_on_Earth stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Loudest man-made sound on Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest man-made sound on Earth closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Loudest man-made sound on Earth|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest man-made sound on Earth closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Loudest man-made sound on Earth|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest man-made sound on Earth closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The target does nothing to verify if this is true or not. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

• Comment I am very surprised that we don't have a List of loudest sounds article, particularly given a search on the Guiness Book of Records finds at least 30 different "loudest" records, although there is no single record really equivalent to this search therm. I'm equally surprise that none of the obviously related articles such as decibel or loudness give any examples of things of varying typical volumes. I recall seeing such comparison diagrams in books I had as a kid, so it's clearly something that people will be interested in and something we should probably have if it can be sourced. I'll leave a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics/Taskforces/Acoustics and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Professional sound production as they're likely to have some relevant ideas. Thryduulf (talk) 20:58, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|Thryduulf}} I think this is the table you're looking for. ~Kvng (talk) 14:44, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

:::It is indeed, now how to make that more easily found! Thryduulf (talk) 14:46, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

• Further comment, while searching related to the redirect below I've found the following statements:
• Mines on the first day of the Somme - the sound of the blast was considered the loudest man-made noise in history.
• Lochnagar mine - "The sound of the blast was considered the loudest man-made noise in history up to that point, with reports suggesting it was heard in London. They would be surpassed a year later by the mines in the Battle of Messines."
• Mines in the Battle of Messines (1917) "The sound of the blast was considered the loudest man-made noise in history
• Pickett's Charge - "It may well have been the loudest man-made sound on the North American continent until the detonation of the first atomic bomb at Alamogordo, New Mexico." [appears only in a footnote as a quote from a source used to reference a different claim]
• Rocket engine test facility - "The sound pressure level of large rocket engines has been measured at greater than 200 decibels — one of the loudest man-made sounds on earth." [unsourced]
• Cwm y Glo - "The explosion was at the time believed to be the loudest manmade explosion ever".
• Loudest band has an article, with the highest figure mentioned there being 139dB. Thryduulf (talk) 21:36, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
• [https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120003777.pdf This NASA document] about notes that "the largest sound power levels ever experienced at NASA Stennis was approximately 204dB, which corresponded to the Saturn S‐IC stage on the B‐2 test stand." but this is not mentioned in our article about the Saturn V. Thryduulf (talk) 21:43, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
• Delete as this could be expanded into an article. Laurdecl ^talk 06:55, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. Lordtobi (✉) 10:59, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. --Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 17:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete should be expanded into an article. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:26, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. Plausible topic for an article, but it is not mentioned at the current target. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:06, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. I'm performing an WP:INVOLVED close given the clear and unanimous consensus and the backlog. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:17, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Loudest Man in History }} → :Screaming  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loudest_Man_in_History&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-14&end=2017-01-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Loudest_Man_in_History stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Loudest Man in History|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest Man in History closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Loudest Man in History|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest Man in History closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Loudest Man in History|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest Man in History closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This was created as a joke redirect to Billy Mays. The current target is problematic as well, as it doesn't say who the "loudest man in history" is. Either way, I doubt its plausibility as a search term. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:42, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete I actually think this is a plausible search term, but the closest thing to a suitable target we have that I can find is Alan Myatt who holds the world record for the loudest cry by a town crier (112.8dB). However, a search for "Loudest" on the Guinness Book of Records website finds three record holders who have produced louder sounds Jill Drake (Loudest Scream, individual - 129dB)[http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/67537-loudest-scream-individual], Luca Zocchi (Loudest whistle - 125dB)[http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/loudest-whistle] and Alpaslan Durmuş (Loudest vocal bass note - 117dB)[http://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/112868-loudest-vocal-bass-note]. We don't have articles on any of these people, and at I think it unlikely they are notable. Dan Harris (coach) (article currently at AfD) has a sourced statement that he has been called "the loudest man on the planet", but that's not measured. Given the lack of a good target, I'm left with deletion. Thryduulf (talk) 21:20, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. For one, screaming isn't the loudest thing a person can do. Steel1943 (talk) 17:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, per nom. Lordtobi (✉) 10:58, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete. I concur with the comments above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:10, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete as vague at best --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:51, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. Deryck C. 12:32, 14 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Loudest noise in recorded history }} → :Tunguska event  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Loudest_noise_in_recorded_history&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-14&end=2017-01-12&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Loudest_noise_in_recorded_history stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Loudest noise in recorded history|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest noise in recorded history closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Loudest noise in recorded history|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest noise in recorded history closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Loudest noise in recorded history|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Loudest noise in recorded history closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Where should this point? Most sources say that the loudest sound ever was the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa, including our article, however some sources do say it was the Tunguska event. The loudness of the latter is not mentioned in our article. Based on the preponderance of sources I'd suggest retargetting to the eruption but I wouldn't be opposed to a page that discusses the issue of loudest sounds if one is created (see also #Loudest man-made sound on Earth). Thryduulf (talk) 21:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete. I'm thinking this should point to a "list of loudest noises" or related article. I'm wary of it redirecting to a single event since the answer is not definitive. Deletion might help that list get created. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:35, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete. If someone wants to create a "list of loudest noises" article, then that could be a plausible target for this. Until then, I think it's best to delete this. FYI, [https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-loudest-sound-in-the-world-would-kill-you-on-the-spot/ this article from FiveThirtyEight] claims that the Chelyabinsk meteor produced "the loudest sound you cannot hear." -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:17, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:15, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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Per its edit history, it doesn't look like it was created in error. However, {{No redirect|Epithelial cell}} already existed for about 8 years before this nominated redirect was created. Steel1943 (talk) 16:52, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete incorrect use of the WP: AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:14, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Mike Jordan }} → :Michael Jordan (disambiguation)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mike_Jordan&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mike_Jordan stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mike Jordan|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike Jordan closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mike Jordan|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike Jordan closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mike Jordan|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mike Jordan closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Figure that it's time to discuss this: See Talk:Mike Jordan (racing driver)#Requested move 24 May 2015. Should this redirect target Michael Jordan (disambiguation) ("Keep") or Michael Jordan? Steel1943 (talk) 16:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Keep as with Mike Jackson and Ron Reagan. Even though Michael Jordan has the "Be Like Mike" campaign slogan, he has not gone by Mike Jordan in the preponderance of his news articles and books. His coverage under the name Mike Jordan would be comparable to the others on the dab page. Although he did go by Mike Jordan in college, the question then becomes whether his notability as Mike Jordan in college would be enough to claim primary topic of that version of the name. [https://sports.vice.com/en_us/highlight/michael-jordan-tells-craig-sager-about-the-birth-of-michael-jordan] [http://www.si.com/vault/2012/01/16/106149626/did-this-man-really-cut-michael-jordan] And having gone by Michael Jordan, the others listed have likely changed to Mike Jordan or added middle names/initials to distinguish themselves. The searcher for Mike Jordan would best be served going to that list. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Keep per AngusWOOF. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 19:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Keep, I guess. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 10:02, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. The name "Michael Jordan", with no context, automatically means the basketball player to me, but if I hear "Mike Jordan", I imagine you're talking about someone else. I can't remember ever hearing of the basketball player being referred to as "Mike Jordan" in items published since my earliest memories, the 1990s. Nyttend (talk) 03:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 22:04, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine }} → :Alternative medicine  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supplements_and_complementary_and_alternative_medicine&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Supplements_and_complementary_and_alternative_medicine stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Supplements and complementary and alternative medicine closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Seems like classic WP:XY. Steel1943 (talk) 09:18, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

:The term exist and is used. A simple google search will lead you to a multitude of sourced using the term for this specific meaning. Carl Fredrik 💌 📧 10:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC) 

:*All versions of the term I can find do not include the "Supplements and..." at the beginning. Steel1943 (talk) 14:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

::This is the "sCAM" acronym as defined for example [http://skepdic.com/compmed.html here]. Alexbrn (talk) 09:34, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:36, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete - Even if this has been used occasionally, the wording is clumsy and awkward. I also recommend deletion. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 02:34, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:44, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional customs duty }} → :Tariff  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_customs_duty&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_customs_duty stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional customs duty|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional customs duty closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional customs duty|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional customs duty closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional customs duty|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional customs duty closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what "additional" refers to. Also, {{No redirect|Customs duty}} also targets Tariff. Steel1943 (talk) 08:40, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete as with additional fees. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:24, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. The "additional" qualifier is unnecessary. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 01:19, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:43, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional extended coverage }} → :Extended coverage  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_extended_coverage&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_extended_coverage stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional extended coverage|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional extended coverage closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional extended coverage|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional extended coverage closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional extended coverage|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional extended coverage closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what "additional" is supposed to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 08:38, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete like extra extra coverage. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:26, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional information of Japanese industry }} → :Industrial production in Shōwa Japan  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_information_of_Japanese_industry&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_information_of_Japanese_industry stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional information of Japanese industry|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information of Japanese industry closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional information of Japanese industry|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information of Japanese industry closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional information of Japanese industry|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information of Japanese industry closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

"Additional information" is vague. That, and "Japanese industry" isn't exclusive to the Shōwa period. Steel1943 (talk) 08:37, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Do we really need more "Further reading" or "Additional information" searches? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:27, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional information about Nirvana (band) }} → :Nirvana discography  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_information_about_Nirvana_(band)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_information_about_Nirvana_%28band%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional information about Nirvana (band)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information about Nirvana (band) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional information about Nirvana (band)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information about Nirvana (band) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional information about Nirvana (band)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional information about Nirvana (band) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

"Additional information" is quite vague. In addition, even with that, the current target wouldn't be correct. Steel1943 (talk) 08:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• delete per nom. Vanamonde (talk) 09:08, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Do we really need more "Further reading" or "Additional information" searches? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:21, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom and AngusWOOF. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 22:28, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per all the above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:27, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:34, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional deviating definitions }} → :South Asia#Additional deviating definitions  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_deviating_definitions&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_deviating_definitions stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional deviating definitions|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional deviating definitions closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional deviating definitions|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional deviating definitions closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional deviating definitions|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional deviating definitions closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

It is unclear what this redirected meant to refer. At the present time, the redirect's target section doesn't exist, but either way, the redirect itself is quite vague. Steel1943 (talk) 08:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete does not seem to be a plausible search term, and if this is linked, it should not be. Vanamonde (talk) 09:08, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:28, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:33, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Additional Dame of the Order of Australia }} → :Order of Australia  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Additional_Dame_of_the_Order_of_Australia&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Additional_Dame_of_the_Order_of_Australia stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Additional Dame of the Order of Australia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional Dame of the Order of Australia closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Additional Dame of the Order of Australia|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional Dame of the Order of Australia closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Additional Dame of the Order of Australia|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Additional Dame of the Order of Australia closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This phrase is not mentioned in the target article. For this reason, unless this term refers to a specific honorific title of some sort, the word "Additional" is vague and confusing. Steel1943 (talk) 08:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:01, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete as confusing --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:52, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per all the above. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:29, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:32, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other countries battleships }} → :List of capital ships of minor navies  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_countries_battleships&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_countries_battleships stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other countries battleships|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other countries battleships closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other countries battleships|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other countries battleships closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other countries battleships|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other countries battleships closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what "other countries" this redirect is meant to refer. Steel1943 (talk) 07:57, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete As unnecessary. O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 09:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. The "other countries" are the ones without their own lists, but there's no need for an "other" redirect that doesn't even have the proper apostrophe in countries'. This is basically the same thing (just in a different namespace) as the miscellaneous categories mentioned at WP:OCMISC. Nyttend (talk) 03:48, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete as confusing --Lenticel ^(talk) 08:16, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. The term "minor navies" at the target is also confusing, but that's a different issue. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:30, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:31, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other black holes }} → :List of black holes  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_black_holes&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_black_holes stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other black holes|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other black holes closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other black holes|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other black holes closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other black holes|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other black holes closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The redirect is unclear on what black holes it is meant to exclude. Steel1943 (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Comment Is there's a classification of "other" in the black hole world? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:17, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• delete as vague --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:06, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other characters in Transformers: Animated }} → :List of Transformers: Animated characters  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_characters_in_Transformers:_Animated&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_characters_in_Transformers%3A_Animated stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other characters in Transformers: Animated|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other characters in Transformers: Animated closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other characters in Transformers: Animated|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other characters in Transformers: Animated closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other characters in Transformers: Animated|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other characters in Transformers: Animated closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what characters this redirect is meant to exclude. Steel1943 (talk) 07:42, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete there might have been a bunch of lists that were merged, but now there are too many Others on the list for this to be useful. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:32, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was retarget to List of fictional politicians#Presidents. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala (talk) 00:42, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Fictional president }} → :Lists of fictional Presidents of the United States  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fictional_president&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Fictional_president stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Fictional president|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fictional president closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Fictional president|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fictional president closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Fictional president|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Fictional president closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Presidents aren't exclusive to the United States. Steel1943 (talk) 06:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Retarget to List of fictional politicians, a more useful starting point. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:16, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to List_of_fictional_politicians#Presidents, specific section. - CHAMPION ^{(talk) (contributions) (logs)} 23:33, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to List_of_fictional_politicians#Presidents per the Champ --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:53, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to Presidents. As Steel says, presidents are in many other countries as well as the United States. Seed of COSMO^{私に話す to me here} 14:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget per Champion. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:33, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:20, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents }} → :Lists of fictional Presidents of the United States  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Fictional_Acting_U.S._Presidents&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_Fictional_Acting_U.S._Presidents stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of Fictional Acting U.S. Presidents closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

No evidence that all examples of presidents in the redirect's target page portrayed "acting presidents" in their respective roles. Steel1943 (talk) 06:34, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete as unnecessary. O Fortuna!^{...Imperatrix mundi.} 08:51, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete not a sub-listing presently available. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:19, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other fictional United States Presidents }} → :Lists of fictional Presidents of the United States  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_fictional_United_States_Presidents&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_fictional_United_States_Presidents stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other fictional United States Presidents|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional United States Presidents closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other fictional United States Presidents|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional United States Presidents closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other fictional United States Presidents|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional United States Presidents closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

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This redirect may have had a purpose redirecting where it does back during the previous RfD, but at this point, the redirect is a circular reference to itself since any "other" list is at its target, confusing readers who may be at the redirect's target, then try to find "other fictional presidents...". Steel1943 (talk) 06:31, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete as vague. Other? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:18, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other fictional politicans }} → :List of fictional politicians  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_fictional_politicans&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_fictional_politicans stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other fictional politicans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional politicans closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other fictional politicans|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional politicans closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other fictional politicans|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other fictional politicans closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Unclear what "other" is meant to exclude. Steel1943 (talk) 06:23, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 21:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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Unclear what "other" is meant to exclude. Steel1943 (talk) 06:11, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete as vague. It could mean Alternative successions of the English crown or Jacobite succession or any of the terms on that page. But there isn't a section dedicated to "other royal and princely houses" so this has no benefit to the searcher. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 20:10, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = List of other Norse sagas }} → :Saga  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_Norse_sagas&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_Norse_sagas stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other Norse sagas|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other Norse sagas closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other Norse sagas|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other Norse sagas closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other Norse sagas|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other Norse sagas closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

It's not clear what "other" is meant to exclude, as implied by this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

---

It must have had an important purpose, once. At present, doesn't appear to link to anything notable.

dino (talk) 14:53, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete I see a Saga#Other but not sure what that means for the titles that are placed there. Is "Other" a classification of a Norse Saga? I don't see this being useful. 18:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AngusWOOF (talk • contribs)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:34, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = List of other MS Paint Adventures characters }} → :MS Paint Adventures  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_other_MS_Paint_Adventures_characters&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_other_MS_Paint_Adventures_characters stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of other MS Paint Adventures characters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other MS Paint Adventures characters closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of other MS Paint Adventures characters|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other MS Paint Adventures characters closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of other MS Paint Adventures characters|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of other MS Paint Adventures characters closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Besides the vague use of the word "other", there doesn't even seem to be a list of characters at the target article, nor does it seem that such a list exists. Steel1943 (talk) 06:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:12, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 05:35, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:35, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Latin name }} → :Binomial nomenclature  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Latin_name&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-22&end=2017-01-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Latin_name stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Latin name|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Latin name closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Latin name|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Latin name closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Latin name|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Latin name closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

disambiguate possibly not the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT for the term Prisencolin (talk) 08:25, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

• disambiguate? Not sure what else to include in a dab page besides Roman naming conventions. Search engines (checked Google and Bing) turn up a lot of pages that aren't related to scientific names of organisms (most of the first page of results is about names for people). "Latin name" is sloppy and unencylopedic as a synonym for "scientific name" and shouldn't be linked; scientific names aren't necessarily derived from Latin and those that are Latin derived wouldn't be recognized by somebody speaking classical Latin.

:Having a dab page would resolve incoming links. Plantdrew (talk) 19:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

• Keep – There is already a hatnote for Roman naming conventions on binomial nomenclature. If there’s only basically two candidates for a dab page, I don’t see why not leave it as is.

::"Latin name" is sloppy and unencylopedic as a synonym for "scientific name"

:That may well be, but that’s how it’s often used.

::Search engines (checked Google and Bing) turn up a lot of pages that aren't related to scientific names of organisms (most of the first page of results is about names for people).

:Yes, but I think that’s due to sites listing baby names and their derivations. (It seems to me science pages are less likely to employ heavy-duty SEO.) Get past that first page; it quickly tilts in favour of plants, birds and bugs. —Wiki Wikardo 08:59, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

• Disambiguate or Retarget if a suitable target is found. While binomial nomenclature is latin, may things have latin names, and I don't think that is the primary topic of all that we cover that could go by this name.— Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 16:10, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

• keep It's a common colloquialism, and nobody has presented a plausible other target, so there's nothing to disambiguate with. Mangoe (talk) 14:30, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Keep I see Latin name as bolded in the lead paragraph, commonly used term. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:14, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:59, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line) }} → :7 Subway Extension#Proposed New Jersey Extension  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Secaucus_Junction_(IRT_Flushing_Line)&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-22&end=2017-01-20&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Secaucus_Junction_%28IRT_Flushing_Line%29 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line) closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line)|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line) closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line)|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Secaucus Junction (IRT Flushing Line) closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Redirect is useless and potentially misleading because no such subway station exists, unlikely a plausible search term since there are no blueprints or maps for a potential station at Secaucus. Since the extension proposals were rejected, very unlikely a new station will be built there for the foreseeable future 173.3.76.153 (talk) 01:18, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete as with those film article disambiguators whose proposed dates have past. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:12, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete but not because of the disambiguator. That is irrelevant. It is because there are no plans at all for this imaginary station. epicgenius (talk) 21:20, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

:: Well there IS a Secaucus Junction station, just not for this particular subway line. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:00, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

::: I know that. The subway station is imaginary and exists only in some ambitious rail planner's head. epicgenius (talk) 04:24, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. --BDD (talk) 21:47, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Carter Proft }} → :Spokane Chiefs  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Carter_Proft&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-01-03&end=2017-02-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Carter_Proft stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Carter Proft|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carter Proft closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Carter Proft|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carter Proft closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Carter Proft|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Carter Proft closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

There's zero mention of a "Carter Proft" anywhere on Wikipedia. The connection between the redirect and the target is unclear. -- Tavix ^(talk) 02:10, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete: Completely aside from this being a implausible redirect, the subject being an obscure journeyman in the German minor-leagues, this is absolutely a WP:XY deal. What makes his playing for the Chiefs a more likely redirect target than, say, the Kassel Huskies, the team he's been playing for for three seasons, or any of the other amateur and professional teams for which he has played to date? Like a number of other hockey redirects recently XfDed, this is the creation of an editor who was community banned from new redirects after creating hundreds like this to plump up his article creation count. Ravenswing 04:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per {{u|Ravenswing}}. Better to leave it a redlink so that when he does become notable per WP:NHOCKEY then he can have a page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:08, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was no consensus. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:56, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Neopunk }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Neopunk&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Neopunk stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Neopunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neopunk closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Neopunk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neopunk closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Neopunk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Neopunk closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The redirect is not mentioned in the target article, so the connection is unclear. However, the nominated redirect is a {{Tl|R from history}} that was blanked and redirected. Steel1943 (talk) 19:30, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Weak Revert page as the term appears to be widely used [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Hardcore+pop+&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=v3iCWMv_ELP38Ae4uZ24Aw#q=%22Cali+punk%22 Google]. OTOH, WP:RSs are hard to find... — Iadmc♫^talk  21:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Keep there's a book that connects it to the pop punk bands like Green Day, Fall Out Boy, Bad Religion, which the article has lots of. [https://www.punknews.org/article/23264/new-book-details-neo-punk-movement-talks-to-nofx-fall-out-boy-kevin-lyman-more] Other news articles show usage. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 16:30, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was keep. -- Tavix ^(talk) 19:54, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• {{no redirect|1 = Pop punk rock }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pop_punk_rock&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pop_punk_rock stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Pop punk rock music }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pop_punk_rock_music&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Pop_punk_rock_music stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock music|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock music closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock music|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock music closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Pop punk rock music|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Pop punk rock music closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Seems like a made-up term since per the article, the subject of the article seems to be a mix of Punk rock and Pop music. Either way, "punk pop rock" is not mentioned in the target article, and for that reason, these redirects could have a WP:XY issue. Steel1943 (talk) 19:23, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Delete not seeing "Pop punk rock" in Google searches and not in target article — Iadmc♫^talk  21:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Keep not a likely search term but the logic is very simple, since "punk" is short "punk rock" then "pop punk" could be referred to "pop punk rock". Also this term is indirectly included in the article in the title of one of the sources.--MASHAUNIX 23:44, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Keep at least they're looking for the pop punk music with this term. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:13, 21 January 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Sources: [http://music.mxdwn.com/2017/01/26/chicago/green-day-catfish-the-bottlemen-wrigley-field-824/][http://www.freeweekly.com/2016/10/26/qa-bleached/][http://www.ocregister.com/articles/band-730692-blink-set.html]. Other names: ["Pop punk rock beat"], [http://nooga.com/174871/notes-from-left-of-the-dial-moonsville-collective-and-more/ "pop-punk-rock hybrid"], ["http://www.buzznet.com/2017/01/listen-cameron-hurley-covers-the-1975s-girls-styled-like-blink-182s-enema-of-the-state/ "pop-punk-rock magic"], [http://beatroute.ca/2017/01/30/gay-nineties-takes-societal-commentary-debut-lp/ "pop/punk/rock"], [http://www.pollstar.com/news_article.aspx?ID=828947 "pop punk/rock"]. George Ho (talk) 20:05, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

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:The result of the discussion was delete. There's no clear direction to where these redirects would point if kept, and there's a majority in favor of deletion. -- Tavix ^(talk) 23:25, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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• {{no redirect|1 = Easy core }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easy_core&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Easy_core stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Easy core|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easy core closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Easy core|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easy core closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Easy core|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easy core closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Easycore bands }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easycore_bands&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Easycore_bands stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Easycore bands|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore bands closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Easycore bands|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore bands closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Easycore bands|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore bands closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Easycore punk }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easycore_punk&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Easycore_punk stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Easycore punk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Easycore punk|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Easycore punk|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = Easycore punk rock }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Easycore_punk_rock&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Easycore_punk_rock stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Easycore punk rock|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk rock closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Easycore punk rock|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk rock closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Easycore punk rock|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Easycore punk rock closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
• {{no redirect|1 = List of easycore bands }} → :Pop punk  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_easycore_bands&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2016-12-21&end=2017-01-19&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_easycore_bands stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of easycore bands|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of easycore bands closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of easycore bands|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of easycore bands closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of easycore bands|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of easycore bands closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

The terms "easycore" and "easy core" are not present in the target articles. Steel1943 (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

• Note: {{No redirect|Easycore}} is a {{Tl|R with history}}, but subjects at that title have also been deleted via WP:AFD multiple times in the past. See Talk:Easycore. Steel1943 (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
• Retarget to Hardcore punk as {{tlx|R from antonym}}, Delete List of easycore bands and Easycore bands. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:44, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
• Comment "Easycore" seems to be [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Easycore&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-ab&gfe_rd=cr&ei=jt-EWKT1BYWA8Qf0mqnoAg a valid term] so the Easycore page could be developed into an article to reflect this and the other redirects retargeted there — Iadmc♫^talk  16:38, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
• Delete all and WP:SALT per nom's comment in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Easycore (3rd nomination). I just checked again and the term is not widely enough used and is indeed used in contradictory ways — Iadmc♫^talk  16:54, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

Redirect to hardcore punk or pop punk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Osama57 (talk • contribs) 02:03, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

• Delete all - The consensus seems to be that this topic isn't that notable. I'd rather that, to prevent confusion, we just get rid of these redirects. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 22:42, 12 February 2017 (UTC)

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