as a group. With even TfD regulars supporting keeping, it's difficult to imagine how deletion could be supported. Noting that this outcome should not be taken as endorsing the creation of similar redirects, or as preventing the future re-nomination of individual redirects. (non-admin closure) – Uanfala 12:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Azerbaijan_region&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_Azerbaijan_region stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Azerbaijan region closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist apart from redirect
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox Cambodian district }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Cambodian_district&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_Cambodian_district stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Cambodian district|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Cambodian district closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Cambodian district|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Cambodian district closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Cambodian district|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Cambodian district closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] former template: 11:58, 19 March 2014 Pigsonthewing (talk | contribs) . . (40 bytes) (-4,371) . . (#REDIRECTTemplate:Infobox settlement)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Indian_Jurisdiction&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_Indian_Jurisdiction stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
- 28 February 2014 Plastikspork (talk | contribs) deleted page Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 June 6#Template:Infobox Indian jurisdiction)
- 26 October 2014 Xainhe (talk | contribs) . . (2,515 bytes) (+2,515) . . (←Created page with '{{Infobox settlement | name = Malayampadi | native_name = മലയാംപടി | native_name_lang = | other_name...')
- 21:08, 5 February 2015 Frietjes (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (-2,474) . . (←Redirected page to Template:Infobox settlement)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox unrecognized state }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_unrecognized_state&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_unrecognized_state stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox unrecognized state|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox unrecognized state closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox unrecognized state|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox unrecognized state closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox unrecognized state|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox unrecognized state closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist prior to redirect: 14:12, 21 May 2011 Obi2canibe (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (+41) . . (redirect)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox aspirational state }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_aspirational_state&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_aspirational_state stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox aspirational state|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox aspirational state closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox aspirational state|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox aspirational state closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox aspirational state|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox aspirational state closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist prior to redirect: 14:25, 21 May 2011 Obi2canibe (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (+41) . . (redirect)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox administrative division }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_administrative_division&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_administrative_division stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox administrative division|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox administrative division closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox administrative division|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox administrative division closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox administrative division|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox administrative division closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist prior to redirect: 16:46, 18 December 2012 Frietjes (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (+41) . . (per Template:Infobox Administrative division)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox populated place }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_populated_place&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_populated_place stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox populated place|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox populated place closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox populated place|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox populated place closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox populated place|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox populated place closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist prior to redirect: 13:10, 1 July 2014 Jenks24 (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (+41) . . (create redirect)
- {{no redirect|1 = Template:Infobox voivod }} → :Template:Infobox settlement (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_voivod&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2017-10-17&end=2017-11-15&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Template%3AInfobox_voivod stats]) [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox voivod|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox voivod closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox voivod|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox voivod closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Template:Infobox voivod|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Template:Infobox voivod closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] - no hist prior to redirect: 19:45, 21 September 2009 Pigsonthewing (talk | contribs) . . (41 bytes) (+41) . . (#REDIRECT Template:Infobox settlement)
Unused redirects. Delete like all these:Template:Infobox Abkhaz district, Template:Infobox Algerian municipality, Template:Infobox Algerian District, Template:Infobox Algerian Province, Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina municipalities Zenica, Template:Bosnia and Herzegovina municipalities02, Template:CoDepartment infobox, Template:Community area, Template:Croatian County, Template:District data of Japan, Template:India UT capital infobox, Template:India UT infobox2, Template:Infobox Autonomous community, Template:Infobox Belgische deelgemeente, Template:Infobox City in Afghanistan, Template:Infobox city in the Republic of Macedonia, Template:Infobox city in the Republic of Macedonia (dual language), Template:Infobox City of Moldova, Template:Infobox city of Panama, Template:Infobox City Ukraine, Template:Infobox Crimean town, Template:Infobox deelgemeente Belgium, Template:Infobox divisions of Sarawak, Template:Infobox District Cambodia, Template:Infobox District CZ, Template:Infobox District of Moldova, Template:Infobox districts of Selangor, Template:Infobox England district, Template:Infobox Estonian County, Template:Infobox Federal Territory of Malaysia, Template:Infobox French hamlet, Template:Infobox Luxembourg, Template:Infobox Luxembourg canton, Template:Infobox Micropolitan Area, Template:Infobox Moldovan Location, Template:Infobox Montenegro, Template:Infobox Municipalities of Portugal, Template:Infobox Municipality in the Republic of Macedonia, Template:Infobox Municipality portugal, Template:Infobox Municipality pt, Template:Infobox Pakistan district, Template:Infobox Pakistani location, Template:Infobox Political Division, Template:Infobox Province of Kazakhstan, Template:Infobox Region of Georgia, Template:Infobox Romania Villages, Template:Infobox Settlement 1, Template:Infobox Settlement (Serbia), Template:Infobox Statistical Regions of the Republic of Macedonia, Template:Infobox Subdivisions of Malaysia, Template:Infobox Tehsil Pakistan, Template:Metropolitan cities of India, Template:Place in Mexico, Template:Romanian regions infobox, Template:Statistical region of Slovenia, Template:Tokyo-Infobox, Template:Tokyo-Infobox/Idea 1, Template:Union councils of Pakistan, Template:Village in Ukraine, Template:USA City infobox, Template:USA City infobox, Template:Greenlandic divisions, Template:Infobox Municipality Slovenia, Template:Infobox Vietnam district, Template:Infobox Indonesian regency, Template:Infobox Indonesian province, Template:Infobox Solomon Islands Province, Template:Infobox Burmesestatedivision, Template:Infobox East Timor District, Template:Infobox Nigerian States, Template:Infobox Sri Lankan Administrative District 85.181.156.35 (talk) 05:15, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Weak keep: This nomination is somewhat of an apples and oranges argument. From what I can tell this far, the deleted pages the nominator has linked refer to pages deleted as a result of Wikipedia:Templates for discussion nominations, not Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion nominations. (The linked deleted pages were standalone templates, whereas this nomination pertains to redirects.) At the present time, I'm leaning "keep" since these redirects' purpose is to help editors/readers find the target template. I mean, one cannot expect everyone to know the exact names of every template prior to transcluding or substituting them, and these redirects could serve as navigational assists to reach the target template. Steel1943 (talk) 15:59, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
Eh, might as well delete {{No redirect|Template:Infobox voivod}} since the term "voivod" seems to traditionally refer to a political leader/person, not a political region. This redirect could potentially be targeted elsewhere, but at the present time, I have no suggestions to where that may be; worse case scenario, the redirect gets deleted then recreated to point towards a more applicable target. Steel1943 (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Disregard. Steel1943 (talk) 15:04, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- User:Steel1943 - Can you explain why you would prefer to keep three country specific redirects out of 50000 possibilities for such redirects? How are editors supposed to know if a transclusion code includes 1) a wrapper for Infobox settlement, 2) an independent template, 3) a redirect to Infobox settlement? 77.179.168.55 (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
::*My original response already answered your question. I have no more to add. Steel1943 (talk) 21:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- ::User:Steel1943, no you didn't refer to 50000 possibilities for redirects, you only referred to some deleted templates. That's apples and oranges. And you may consider using correct prefixing "::*" is not. 77.179.168.55 (talk) 21:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- :::Sure. Steel1943 (talk) 21:55, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep all, can't find any reason to delete any of those. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 16:00, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- :User:Headbomb they invite editors to use them. Then other editors edit a page and see a transclusion of a template that they don't know. Editors in administrative geography know that there is {{tl|Infobox settlement}} and that there are wrappers ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Infobox_settlement&namespace=10&limit=500&hideredirs=1&hidelinks=1 list of templates transcluding Infobox settlement]). If they see any unknown call they don't know if it is a wrapper where variables are used differently or if it is a redirect. If all redirects are deleted this problem disappears. The deletion comment can contain a link to {{tl|Infobox settlement}}. There are more than 5000 classes of administrative entities and seeing that there are more than 9 naming variants (Algerian municipality, Algerian District, City in Afghanistan, District CZ, District of Moldova, deelgemeente Belgium, District Cambodia, PLURAL: Nigerian States, Greenlandic divisions, Subdivisions of Malaysia) and more combinations are equally plausible "city BE", "city in Belgium", there are more than 50000 redirect names possible - without considering misspellings and different translations or no translation of foreign language terms. What is the specific reason for having {{tl|Infobox Azerbaijan region}} but not the others? 85.178.245.150 (talk) 18:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment: The
first three second and third (Updated. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)) nominated redirects have transclusions. Steel1943 (talk) 16:11, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- :User:Steel1943, Not true. 85.178.245.150 (talk) 18:14, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- ::Fixed my comment. {{No redirect|Template:Infobox Cambodian district}} has a transclusion on User:Calliopejen1/templates/Cambodia/district, and {{No redirect|Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction}} has a transclusion on User:Mvenkatesh999. Steel1943 (talk) 19:03, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep: all, and make all of the red links listed above into redirects to {{Tl|Infobox settlement}}, too. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Pigsonthewig (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this RfD.
- Comment: User:Pigsonthewing (Andy Mabbett) started to implement his solution, creating {{tl|Infobox Montenegro}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Montenegro&diff=810657276&oldid=810657250] and {{tl|Infobox Sri Lankan Administrative District}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_Sri_Lankan_Administrative_District&oldid=810657339] in violation of
- :#Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2009_January_4#Template:Infobox_Montenegro - "The result of the discussion was delete. JPG-GR (talk) 03:38, 18 January 2009 (UTC)"
- :#Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2011_March_12#Infobox_Sri_Lankan_Administrative_District - "The result of the discussion was Delete Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 01:55, 25 March 2011 (UTC)"
- :85.178.245.150 (talk) 18:09, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- "in violation"? Don't be absurd. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:35, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- {{Ping|Pigsonthewing}} Agreed, considering that your redirect creations aren't eligible for WP:G4 since they are redirects, not actual templates. Steel1943 (talk) 19:05, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- ::::User:Steel1943 The outcome was delete, not redirect. 77.179.168.55 (talk) 21:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- :::::Right, so G4 doesn't apply. The pages are currently redirects, not functioning templates. Steel1943 (talk) 21:33, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- ::::::User:Steel1943 The second and the third have a template history, and should have gone through the same process as the other deletions of country specific templates. 77.179.168.55 (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- :::::::They are redirects, so your reasoning doesn't apply. As redirects, they would be nominated here. Steel1943 (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- keep, redirects are useful for (1) directing the user to the correct template, and (2) viewing old revisions in the cases that templates have been merged. Frietjes (talk) 21:22, 16 November 2017 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Frietjes (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this RfD.
- :Disclosure: Frietjes doesn't care about template history here: Template:Tirana District, Template:Taiwan Administrative Divisions both nominated for deletion on 17 November 2017 by that user. 85.181.159.171 (talk) 07:42, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- DISCLOSURE Frietjes and Pigsonthewing are editors that created some of these redirects. 77.179.168.55 (talk) 21:32, 16 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep, redirects are generally useful, unless they point to a misleading target. In this case, they point to the correct template for articles about geopolitical regions. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 02:21, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- :User:Plastikspork - "unless they point to a misleading target" - for a starter: Template:Infobox voivod. voivod. Also, could you address the fact that there are thousands of redirects possible, if one allows type specific redirects? Infobox settlement has as equivalent in the article name space something like Administrative division, the type specific titles (e.g. Districts of Belarus) are never redirecting there. Steadily growing list of classes in WD http:// tinyurl.com/y7lggnyj. And for ~20 you want to keep the redirects? 85.181.159.171 (talk) 08:06, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. These all seems like useful redirects to me. See WP:CHEAP. FYI, the one of these that I created, {{tl|Infobox populated place}}, was due to a requested move discussion at Template talk:Infobox settlement/Archive 24#Requested move. Jenks24 (talk) 06:11, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
- :Jenks24 - how is Template:Infobox voivod useful? Do you know what voivod means? Also, could you address the fact that there are thousands of redirects possible, if one allows type specific redirects?Infobox settlement has as equivalent in the article name space something like Administrative division, the type specific titles (e.g. Districts of Belarus) are never redirecting there. Steadily growing list of classes in WD http:// tinyurl.com/y7lggnyj. And for ~20 you want to keep the redirects? 85.181.159.171 (talk) 08:06, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- ::Presumably because someone else found it useful enough to create and it does no harm. See again WP:CHEAP. Also just because it exists it doesn't mean all those other potential redirects have to be created. But if you want to do a separate RFD for that one after this RFD is inevitably closed as keep, go for it. I'm only here because you nominated a perfectly useful redirect I'd created. Jenks24 (talk) 08:51, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. as useful. No reason why they are actually misleading or useless has been given. And as for unfamiliarity, yes, I would expect people interested in location in Russia to either know or soon learn what voivod means — Preceding unsigned comment added by DGG (talk • contribs) 00:37, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
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