Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 10#1520684719

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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on March 10, 2018.

==Element I==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. ~ Amory (utc) 00:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Element I }}:Hydrogen  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Element_I&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Element_I stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Element I|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Element I closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Element I|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Element I closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Element I|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Element I closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Chemists reserve Roman numerals for positive oxidation states; they are never used for atomic numbers. Although hydrogen has a +1 oxidation state, so do many other elements (for example, sodium). Also, I is the chemical symbol of a different element, iodine. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 22:37, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. This is horribly confusing, there's no such element. No chemist would ever call iodine "Element I", any more than they would call hydrogen "Element H" or oxygen "Element O". This smacks of pulp science fiction and "Element X" or "Element Z" or whatever. In chemistry, the Roman numeral "I" is reserved for oxidation states (see e.g. Bromine(I) chloride); and, for the more old-fashioned of us, as the designator for the leftmost column of the periodic table. Narky Blert (talk) 22:52, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment Should this be a dab for Hydrogen, Iodine, Element One (which doesn't really use "i" in their name, but "one"), Period 1 element, Alkali metal (described as group 1 element)? AngusWOOF (barksniff) 22:54, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • {{reply to|AngusWOOF}} IMO certainly not. That would be scientifically illiterate. I know that redirects are designed to help readers find things. But, in this case, I can confidently say that in 50+ years as a chemist, I have never heard of Element I. Narky Blert (talk) 23:05, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Dab pages do occasionally get created to navigate solely between misspellings and incorrect names, but I think this would go too far: "Element I" is simply a phrase that combines two words in a a generic way, which furthermore isn't particularly plausible for any of the intended referents. – Uanfala (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per Narky Blert. Double sharp (talk) 09:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. – Uanfala (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete - This seems particularly useless. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:00, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Network provider==

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:The result of the discussion was disambiguate

. Much obliged, 59 ~ Amory (utc) 13:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Network provider }}:Internet service provider  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Network_provider&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Network_provider stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Network provider|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Network provider closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Network provider|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Network provider closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Network provider|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Network provider closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Vague term given the ambiguity of network, we do have Network service provider as well as service provider. - CHAMPION (talk) (contributions) (logs) 22:31, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:Evidence of the ambiguity can be seen in its current use. Currently it is linked only in two articles: :Shadowserver (where it seems to mean :Internet service provider) and in :Base station identity code (where it seems to mean :Wireless service provider (a redirect to :Mobile network operator)). TJRC (talk) 00:06, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Disambiguate per TJRC. Drafted below the redirect. 59.149.124.29 (talk) 06:15, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Sarah Royden==

==Redirects to List of YouTubers==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Note: Some vague history at MissHannahMinx pre-2013 ~ Amory (utc) 20:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Inuitinua }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inuitinua&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Inuitinua stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Inuitinua|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Inuitinua closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Inuitinua|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Inuitinua closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Inuitinua|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Inuitinua closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Hannah Minx }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hannah_Minx&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Hannah_Minx stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Hannah Minx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hannah Minx closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Hannah Minx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hannah Minx closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Hannah Minx|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Hannah Minx closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = MissHannahMinx }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MissHannahMinx&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=MissHannahMinx stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:MissHannahMinx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#MissHannahMinx closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:MissHannahMinx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#MissHannahMinx closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:MissHannahMinx|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#MissHannahMinx closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Miss Hannah Minx }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Miss_Hannah_Minx&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Miss_Hannah_Minx stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Miss Hannah Minx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miss Hannah Minx closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Miss Hannah Minx|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miss Hannah Minx closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Miss Hannah Minx|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Miss Hannah Minx closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Rebel Taxi }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rebel_Taxi&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Rebel_Taxi stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Rebel Taxi|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rebel Taxi closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Rebel Taxi|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rebel Taxi closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Rebel Taxi|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Rebel Taxi closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Steve Serge }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steve_Serge&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Steve_Serge stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Steve Serge|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Steve Serge closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Steve Serge|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Steve Serge closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Steve Serge|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Steve Serge closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Calvin Vail }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Calvin_Vail&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Calvin_Vail stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Calvin Vail|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Calvin Vail closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Calvin Vail|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Calvin Vail closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Calvin Vail|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Calvin Vail closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Davey Wavey }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Davey_Wavey&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Davey_Wavey stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Davey Wavey|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Davey Wavey closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Davey Wavey|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Davey Wavey closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Davey Wavey|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Davey Wavey closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Wickydkewl }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wickydkewl&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wickydkewl stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wickydkewl|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wickydkewl closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wickydkewl|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wickydkewl closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wickydkewl|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wickydkewl closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Colin Wyckoff }}:List of YouTubers  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colin_Wyckoff&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Colin_Wyckoff stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Colin Wyckoff|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Colin Wyckoff closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Colin Wyckoff|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Colin Wyckoff closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Colin Wyckoff|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Colin Wyckoff closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

None of these YouTubers are listed at the target, a consequence of the target article having a notability criterion to it (no article, no listing). It's misleading for these redirects to redirect somewhere there is no information on the subject, and it may also encourage someone who arrives at the target via one of these redirects to add an entry to the list, which is something we do not want. -- Tavix (talk) 20:47, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete all. If they aren't notable enough for the list, then they should not have redirects. —Xezbeth (talk) 05:25, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete all per Tavix. Bilorv(c)(talk) 07:48, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete all. Non-notable BLP's shouldn't have redirects to lists unless there is an exceptional case where they should be included on that list. A list of YouTuber's should only have entries where articles exist. Ajf773 (talk) 22:38, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Mega Man VIIII==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. ~ Amory (utc) 00:52, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Mega Man VIIII }}:Mega Man 9  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mega_Man_VIIII&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Mega_Man_VIIII stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Mega Man VIIII|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mega Man VIIII closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Mega Man VIIII|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mega Man VIIII closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Mega Man VIIII|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Mega Man VIIII closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This is implausible because the Roman numeral is incorrectly written and because neither the incorrect nor the correct form ("Mega Man IX") is officially used as a title for any version of Mega Man 9. SoledadKabocha (talk) 18:18, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Title is not known by "VIIII" AngusWOOF (barksniff) 20:48, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete - the roman numeral is not even written correctly. L293D () 23:13, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete While it’s true that the first seven games used Roman Numerals in the in-game title screen that stopped with 8 and even if it didn’t it’s highy unlikely that someone would use VIIII to look up 9.--67.68.210.105 (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Lists of white people==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. ~ Amory (utc) 01:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Lists of white people }}:Ethnic groups in Europe  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lists_of_white_people&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Lists_of_white_people stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Lists of white people|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of white people closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Lists of white people|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of white people closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Lists of white people|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Lists of white people closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = List of white people }}:List of lists of lists  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_white_people&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=List_of_white_people stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:List of white people|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of white people closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:List of white people|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of white people closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:List of white people|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#List of white people closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]  Added by -- Tavix (talk) 21:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

Huh. feminist (talk) 13:36, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Comment these were created by {{u|Prisencolin}} back in September 2017 and had been declined by CSD. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 21:32, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both. Very much indiscriminate list concepts. Ajf773 (talk) 22:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both Per WP:OLIST, section "over-extensive lists".ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:49, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment: Lists of black people seems like a pretty reasonable list of lists. Is "white people" too broad of a concept? feminist (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

:: Lists of black people is pretty offensive to me. Should Saint Augustine be in one of those lists? He was a Berber, and therefore black. How about Shirley Bassey and Colin Jackson? they're Welsh; or Cleo Laine, Jason Robinson, Sadiq Khan, Ainsley Harriott and Lenny Henry? they're English; or Ruud Gullit? he's Dutch; or François Trinh-Duc? he's French.

:: Tony Cozier, highly-respected Barbadian cricket commentator, was often thought to be black because of his accent. He wasn't, and thought the assumption rather amusing. Narky Blert (talk) 01:34, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete both per WP:LISTCRITERIA and for general offensiveness not to say outrageousness. As one example out of many, the guy who owns the shop where I buy most of my beer has brown skin, is bilingual in Hindi and English, and has a broad local accent. He was born and raised in England, and is in consequence European no matter where his family came from. I've known people whose whole ancestry is European who had darker skin; but they, unlike him, are classified as "white" by racists. Narky Blert (talk) 00:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete both - It all boils down to how neither of these seem like they'd ever be useful. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Mark Nypoaj==

==1947 British winter==

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:The result of the discussion was keep

. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 03:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = 1947 British winter }}:Winter of 1946–47 in the United Kingdom  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1947_British_winter&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=1947_British_winter stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:1947 British winter|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1947 British winter closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:1947 British winter|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1947 British winter closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:1947 British winter|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#1947 British winter closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Ambiguous and an unlikely search term. See Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 21#1979 British winter. --Neve~selbert 22:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

{{resize|91%|Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 04:42, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Keep 1946–47 was a famously tough winter in the UK; it is unlikely 1947-48 (for which we have no article) would searched for. The next one we have is in fact Winter of 1962–63 in the United Kingdom, also very tough. Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 February 21#1979 British winter is a poor precedent, because although it (78-79) was a very hard winter, we have no article for it, so the redirect was deleted for lack of a plausible target. Not the case here. In any case, it is surely normal, at least in the UK, for a single-year winter to refer to the New Year part, when t5he worst weather almost invariably comes. Johnbod (talk) 05:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. Speaking as a Brit, it is not ambiguous and it is a likely search term. It means early 1947. Narky Blert (talk) 03:17, 11 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Nile State==

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:The result of the discussion was delete

. Killiondude (talk) 00:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Nile State }}:South Sudan  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nile_State&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nile_State stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nile State|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile State closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nile State|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile State closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nile State|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile State closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ]
  • {{no redirect|1 = Nile Republic }}:South Sudan  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nile_Republic&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Nile_Republic stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Nile Republic|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile Republic closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Nile Republic|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile Republic closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Nile Republic|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Nile Republic closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Neither Nile State nor Nile Republican seems to be used as an alternative name for South Sudan. There are several states in both Sudans that have names similar to Nile State, but these are all partial title matches. Nile Republic is a proposed movement to create an independent country from northern Uganda. Either way, seems like a delete to me. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:41, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete as descriptors these could refer to South Sudan, Sudan or Egypt. Useless. Legacypac (talk) 04:56, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Faithfully-flat descent==

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to Descent (mathematics). -- Tavix (talk) 15:44, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Faithfully-flat descent }}:Flat topology  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Faithfully-flat_descent&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Faithfully-flat_descent stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Faithfully-flat descent|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Faithfully-flat descent closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Faithfully-flat descent|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Faithfully-flat descent closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Faithfully-flat descent|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Faithfully-flat descent closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

At Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Faithfully flat descent (2nd nomination)#Draft:Faithfully flat descent we were advised this is an inappropriate redirect. If that is true we should redlink it to encourage article creation. The redirect dates from 2007. Legacypac (talk) 21:59, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Retarget to Descent (mathematics) if the flat topology topic isn't treating the work properly. That one has something called "Fully faithful descent", so maybe a section can be added about faithfully flat? [http://www.math.toronto.edu/~jacobt/Lecture9.pdf] [https://stacks.math.columbia.edu/tag/0250] However, the flat topology article does use the "faithfully-flat descent" term a lot so that needs to be clarified. AngusWOOF (barksniff) 16:50, 9 March 2018 (UTC)

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==K=jtb==

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. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:29, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = K=jtb }}:Belief#Justified true belief  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=K%3Djtb&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=K%3Djtb stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:K=jtb|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#K=jtb closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:K=jtb|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#K=jtb closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:K=jtb|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#K=jtb closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Though I assume that "k" stands for "knowledge" and "jtb" stands for "justified true belief", the redirect is not mentioned in the target article, and I'm not finding any results for it on third party search engines. Suspecting WP:NOTNEO issue with this redirect. Steel1943 (talk) 20:36, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

  • D=lete. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 07:30, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is a pretty common shorthand for the relevant terms (e.g. [https://books.google.ca/books?hl=en&lr=&id=lshm9fpBnkgC&oi=fnd&pg=PA214&dq=K%3DJTB&ots=pQeTFznmBW&sig=Y6exh-UjYpXn1SGakl84OIdEdoo#v=onepage&q=K%3DJTB&f=false], [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11098-009-9403-9], [https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11098-013-0184-9]) ---- Patar knight - chat/contributions 20:04, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

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  • Keep able to find some results [http://critojazz.blogspot.in/2015/01/gettier-and-jtb.html] too + ones by Patar knight Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
  • If it's gonna be kept, shouldn't it at least be moved to K=JTB? The lowercase doesn't seem useful. ~ Amory (utc) 12:23, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete. We've found a couple of sources, but I do still think we're in neologism territory per nom. That, combined with the fact that the redirect is not mentioned at the target puts me in the delete camp. -- Tavix (talk) 15:38, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per Tavix. Still quite likely to confuse. --BDD (talk) 20:13, 21 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Life and water==

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. -- Tavix (talk) 15:20, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Life and water }}:Water#Effects on life  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Life_and_water&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Life_and_water stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Life and water|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life and water closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Life and water|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life and water closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Life and water|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Life and water closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
  • {{no redirect|1 = Water and life }}:Water#Effects on life  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_and_life&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Water_and_life stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Water and life|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Water and life closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Water and life|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Water and life closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Water and life|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Water and life closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Delete both per WP:XY. It is also not clear if readers are attempting to look up the target of these redirects if searching for the titles of these redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 19:08, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

:To see the section targeting requires a couple clicks and I missed that. I still say delete as XY and because there are ofher equally good targets. Let the search engine provide results amd let the reader pick amd choose from those results. Legacypac (talk) 08:32, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

  • I added the section targets to the nomination. (I usually do that after a Twinkle-based nomination, so me missing this one is quite out of the ordinary.) Steel1943 (talk) 13:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Keep These are not actually XY redirects, as it is clear that they are describing the relationship between the two topics, water and life. In that case, the target is exactly what it should be. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • :...Unless someone is looking for the opposite: life's effect on water. Steel1943 (talk) 18:15, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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  • Delete I tried to figure out a way to justify keeping these, but I couldn't do it. They're just too vague and meaningless. ~ Amory (utc) 00:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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==A form of life==

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. Killiondude (talk) 00:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = A form of life }}:Organism  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=A_form_of_life&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=A_form_of_life stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:A form of life|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#A form of life closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:A form of life|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#A form of life closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:A form of life|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#A form of life closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I am not seeing this redirect as helpful or necessary, given that {{No redirect|Form of life}} exists as a redirect to the same target. Steel1943 (talk) 18:55, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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  • Delete Implausible redirect.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:52, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete No need for this sort of construct; it's not how people speak or write. A little more reasonable when pointed to lifeform but even then, just not helpful. ~ Amory (utc) 00:54, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Murder for profit==

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. Killiondude (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Murder for profit }}:Murder  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Murder_for_profit&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Murder_for_profit stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Murder for profit|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Murder for profit closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Murder for profit|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Murder for profit closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Murder for profit|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Murder for profit closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

I'm thinking this should be redirected to Contract killing, but then again, I'm not sure the two terms are complete synonymous, given there are cases where murder may be performed by a beneficiary of something like a life insurance policy: In that case, they didn't hire themselves. Steel1943 (talk) 13:39, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

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  • Delete Judging by its creation it seems like WP:NEO. It's usually called "murder for hire", not "murder for profit".ZXCVBNM (TALK) 05:51, 12 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete - "Murder for profit" sounds immediately off given that, as stated above, the terminology usually used in fictional and non-fictional media is "murder for fire" (or generally just "contract killing"). CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 10:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete I hate deleting old redirects, so I went and googled this. There are actually quite a few uses in major publications (e.g., [https://www.economist.com/news/middle-east-and-africa/21700294-horrific-trade-body-parts-murder-profit The Economist], [https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201504/some-serial-killers-commit-murder-profit Psychology Today], [https://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,863509,00.html Time], [http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/29/man-kills-murder-profit-plot.html Fox News]) so I think it's worth holding on to. That being said, murder isn't particularly helpful since, well, they've already searched for "murder" as part of "murder for hire." Contract killing, as the target of murder for hire, is, as pointed out, not right either. In the end, I sadly don't think we have a good target for this, so perhaps someone could write an article on it! Delete per WP:REDLINK. ~ Amory (utc) 01:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete per above. "Murder for profit" just seems like a colloquial phrase that doesn't correspond cleanly to any one defined crime. (Homicidio por lucro is an actual legal term in Spanish-speaking countries, but no one seems to use "murder for profit" as a translation of that.) 59.149.124.29 (talk) 03:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Kush Republic==

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. Killiondude (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Kush Republic }}:South Sudan  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kush_Republic&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Kush_Republic stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Kush Republic|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kush Republic closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Kush Republic|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kush Republic closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Kush Republic|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Kush Republic closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

Well, there was the Kingdom of Kush, but I'm pretty sure that was never a republic. Today's South Sudan is sorta the same geographic region, but clearly not the same thing. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 04:38, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete X1 as wrong Legacypac (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete Same as Kushan Empire, it doesn't fit and I don't think people are going to confuse the two/three. Besides, this appears to be a brand name (obviously). ~ Amory (utc) 01:37, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Libyan Cabinet==

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to Cabinet of Libya. (non-admin closure) feminist (talk) 12:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Libyan Cabinet }}:General People's Committee  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libyan_Cabinet&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-01&end=2018-03-02&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Libyan_Cabinet stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Libyan Cabinet|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Libyan Cabinet closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Libyan Cabinet|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Libyan Cabinet closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Libyan Cabinet|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Libyan Cabinet closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

After Libya's civil war, this is no longer the Libyan Cabinet, but I'm unclear on what is or where this should target. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 01:35, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Redirect to High Council of State (Libya), which appears to be the successor body to the GPC and currently filling the role of the executive branch of Libya's government. But I'm also not sure. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 07:22, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Jubian Republic==

==Istiwaiyyah==

==Bleh bleh bleh==

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criterion WP:G2. Page moved to this title either as a test or in error; the creator reverted one minute later. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 12:25, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Bleh bleh bleh }}:Erin Hannon  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bleh_bleh_bleh&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Bleh_bleh_bleh stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Bleh bleh bleh|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bleh bleh bleh closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Bleh bleh bleh|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bleh bleh bleh closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Bleh bleh bleh|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Bleh bleh bleh closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

"Bleh bleh bleh" is a bizarre name that has nothing to do with the target. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:21, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete pure nonsense? Legacypac (talk) 05:01, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Wikipedia:Redirects from moves==

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to Wikipedia:Redirect#Redirects from moves. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 10:42, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Wikipedia:Redirects from moves }}:Category:Redirects from moves  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Redirects_from_moves&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-02-08&end=2018-03-09&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Wikipedia%3ARedirects_from_moves stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Redirects from moves|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Redirects from moves closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Redirects from moves|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Redirects from moves closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Redirects from moves|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Wikipedia:Redirects from moves closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

This is a useless redirect from the Wikipedia namespace to the category namespace. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 03:12, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

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==Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709==

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. Killiondude (talk) 06:21, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

  • {{no redirect|1 = Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709 }}:Audacity (audio editor)  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xiph.Org_libVorbis_I_20090709&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Xiph.Org_libVorbis_I_20090709 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20090709 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 
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  • {{no redirect|1 = Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622 }}:Vorbis  (talk · links · [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Xiph.Org_libVorbis_I_20070622&action=history history] · [https://tools.wmflabs.org/pageviews?start=2018-01-31&end=2018-03-01&project=en.wikipedia.org&pages=Xiph.Org_libVorbis_I_20070622 stats])     [ Closure: {{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|(@subpage)|[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622 closed as keep}}}} keep]/[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622|action=edit&summary={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622 closed as retarget}}}} retarget]/[{{fullurl:Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622|action=delete&wpReason={{Urlencode:{{FULLPAGENAME}}#Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20070622 closed as delete}}&wpMovetalk=1}} delete]}} ] 

implausible search terms. -- Tavix (talk) 22:18, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

  • Delete per nom. Also, I'm very unclear on why these redirects were created to target Nick Jonas (album), but even more unclear is why they were then retargeted the following year to their current target by the same editor who created the redirects. Steel1943 (talk) 22:23, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Delete as implausible search term, per nom.Dialectric (talk) 14:49, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

::Note there is also the similarly obscure Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20120203 (Omnipresent) redirect that should be deleted for the same reason.Dialectric (talk) 14:50, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

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{{comment}} I relisted these because the history of the additional item above (Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20120203 (Omnipresent)) gives a potential reason for the creation of these and could impact how folks ({{u|Tavix}}, {{u|Steel1943}}, {{u|Dialectric}}) view the redirect. ~ Amory (utc) 03:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

:If that item were to be added, Xiph.Org libtheora 1.1 20090822 (Thusnelda) could potentially as well. ~ Amory (utc) 03:11, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

::The relevant edit summary from Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20120203 (Omnipresent) is "Recreated redirect: this is used in the Metadata section of pages for audio files using this encoder (e.g. File:Giuseppe Verdi - Anvil Chorus.ogg)". What is the argument for having such detailed encoder information? Even if such data is useful to someone, the redirect to the more general format seems unnecessary.Dialectric (talk) 14:30, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

{{comment}} As the editor who recreated that last-mentioned redirect, I was asked to "contribute any additional... history / thought behind" it. There really isn't much more to add that my edit summary didn't say! Evidently something on Commons is auto-generating en-wiki links with the full text of the encoder metadata, and therefore I (re)created the redirect to go to the codec. My !vote would be to keep them iff Commons continues to create such links, but to direct all of them to Vorbis, not Audacity (audio editor), much less Nick Jonas (album)! -- Perey (talk) 08:42, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

  • I was staying out of this, but I do actually think these should be kept and pointed to Vorbis per WP:RKEEP #5; easy to imagine these helping someone looking at boring/confusing metadata. ~ Amory (utc) 20:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Retarget to Vorbis per above. As long as Commons is autogenerating links to these, then it's {{tl|R from file metadata link}}, just like all the others in that category (which also tend to have no incoming links). 59.149.124.29 (talk) 12:34, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

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